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No. Some of this information is taken from public knowledge (27 scenarios) some of it from internal emails (1.2 BN - although I think this might have been publicly stated but I’m not certain). The emissions specific stuff has also all been in the news but is also the field I work in. Sent from...

Sorry Grendel I’m not sure what you are asking here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well no it isn’t all to do with Diesel engines. That is one factor. JLR have 27 Brexit scenarios they are spending money on preparing for and it is one of the reasons they have held off on investment until receiving a loan guarantee. They also said that no deal Brexit would cost 1.2 BN in...

I said people don’t support the EU out of fear. You are making a different point, fear of the consequences of leaving, that is not the same thing. I’m sure some did vote out of fear but as we haven’t left yet and those things could come true depending on the financial arrangements after leaving...

Your reply was to the post where I explained the flaws in Grendels argument and that what he considered propaganda wasn’t in the leaflet. What have I not explained? What have I not answered? It’s you who can never engage in anything directly and instead lectures everyone on how you are the...

That’s not true at all. It isn’t exclusively because of Brexit but it certainly has something to do with it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It’s not meant to be non-partisan though is it? It literally takes a position. That doesn’t make it propaganda. By the way - you’re still pursuing this avenue to try and deflect from the original point I made. I know this works for BJ and Farage supporters but I will continue to call you out on...

I can’t explain it any clearer. I’ve gone out of my way to break it down step by step and you’re unable to respond with anything but that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Quite a remarkable exchange with Grendel over this. Firstly, he diverted to the government leaflet stating the governments position was it is best to stay in the EU, is propaganda. A diversion suggesting he can’t genuinely deny my point. Not the first time I have pointed out to you Grendel that...

So it wasn’t in the leaflet which you called propaganda? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Investment is at its lowest level for years. Output is down. The only major investment is in electric vehicles and that’s on the back of promises of government loans. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No none of that is in the leaflet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

“We were told companies would leave the UK in their droves, especially in the car industry. There is no sign of this, and UK car manufacturing achieving its 12th successive month of growth in July, with production passing one million units in seven months for the first time in 12 years. Lie...

None of that was in the leaflet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Logical fallacies in Brexit? Surely not... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Can’t see it. Maybe mid to lower prem standard but has to keep working hard and apply himself. Good luck to him though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

For me the key points are that they aren’t representing the views of all fans. They might feel they are based on Facebook but this site and twitter seem to have a different take. They must also understand that their stance influences the opinion of a lot of fans so they could be creating a...

I reread it recently and it was very fair and balanced. Leaving aside your attempt at deflection rather address any issues with Brexit (which I’ve have pointed out before) with everything that’s happened regarding misuse of data, overspending, collusion between different groups and the...

Just need Astute to turn up now with something like “So you’re saying Juncker is perfect? You remain whatever types can’t see both sides of the argument like I can” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

We’re now supposed to believe that leave voters believed and voted for “project fear”. Can anyone genuinely deny that this is now a case of mass delusion fed by propaganda? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk