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But you're looking for someone who knows their time will be limited given how good our first 3 are, or you need someone on their level who's confident he can displace one of them, and that will cost. Just shows how difficult it is to get players that tick all the boxes you're after. Ifyoure...

Not as much as we need a CB

Maybe not. But we basically need someone who's a decent standard but who's happy to sit on the bench and play cameos here and there and not be called on unless there's injury or suspension.

And what level of Torp cover can we realistically hope for? We all hope for the top players for each position scenario but for most Championship clubs, including us, it's not realistic.

But most of what's on here is speculation based on tip bits, rumour and mainly, what we,see at games. Most of us have no more than that to go on.

I said I don't think Wlilliams has had any influence on Rushworth in his short time here. I don't think anyone can provide a detailed breakdown of what the manager and coaches do, but they can see how players perform. By your logic no one should say Rudoni has improved under Lampard because...

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The answers to everything you've said there are in my previous posts. If you can't be arsed reading them, I don't blame you, but I'm not repeating what I've already posted! But my crux is, it's madness to think, when discussing keepers, that the keeping coach shouldn't be part of the discussion.

As long as he can pick up Welsh for a few key phrases, 'Which way to the treatment room' 'Apologies, I seem to have misplaced that pass' 'Shit, miles over from 10 yards' He should be OK.

Perhaps. But I just think it's odd that some people think that when discussing the merits of our keepers the specialised goal keeping coach who is paid to work with them daily shouldn't be part of the conversation.

I agree. But we've had Marosi, Moore, Wilson and Collins all deteriorate

How would anyone on here know? I don't know what specifically Dennis Lawrence did well but he was clearly a good defensive coach. I mean, I strongly doubt that Williams has had a negative impact on Rushworth in the few weeks he's been here but given the seemingly perpetual keeping issues we have...

Our home form has been very good under Lampard. Aside from when we went 5 at the back our away form under him last season was ropey. So far this season we've picked up 4 points on the road so I'd say that's a positive. I really don't get the negativity, there are some genuine concerns, I agree...

Sunderland were on the beach?!! They went on to get promoted, did they cut their holiday short?!

And if people are that invested in how the table looks at this early stage then we're in a play off place and above 2 of the relegated teams

Bidwell said midweek sorting out the set piece issue would be an easy fix, let's see!

There were definitely issues from yesterday that need addressing. But surely people have learnt by now that with the exception of 1 or 2 (parachute clubs), the season is a roller coaster for most teams? Plenty of ups and downs but ultimately its about where you finish up. Even Sunderland hit a...

People have moaned about the slow starts for the last 3 seasons, (overly so in my opinion), yet now we've had a solid start some, only 2 or 3, are putting it down to the calibre of them opposition! Some people are never happy!

Talking of atmosphere, felt a bit flat yesterday. Anyone else think the same?

But a lot of the players left over aren't deadwood though. And even some of those that are have served us well, (Allen for example), even if it is time for them to move on.