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Not much mention either of the young adult price going from £276 to £360/£440. Big hike that.

Yep. People genuinely think ST sales will rise. Next level naivety.

I may have missed it, but what happens if we're promoted this season, do those who buy the PL package get a full refund?

You'll be back within 3 games. You'll hate it. It's like being in a different stadium.

Because there is not much value added in our case. If you are left side of block 19 why would you pay the extra when you can move a few yards further left? Like I say, we have done this and 19 and 21 were always largely empty. Yes, there is higher demand now, but there will be a lot of space...

How can you know that? If loads move into the family zone they'll be paying less than last year. Many in the standard zone just won't renew, young adults and the over 60s particularly impacted. Many kids won't go as a lot of STs bought for kids who go occasionally won't be renewed as adults...

I hope you're right, but don't think there is any chance of that happening personally. No way we get to near 14K again.

The uptake will be good, but this area is already more than 3 times the size of the JSB section this season, that'll take some filling. Overall ST sales will probably fall, and even allowing for people moving there (not many people will want to), it is unlikely to expand beyond the 4 blocks...

Don't disagree with much of that, but the £650 comment really depends on what season you pick as the starting point. 2016/17 was £299. I think £400 is fine. Premium blocks, well that's ok because people can shuffle over a block or two. Raising the senior citizen concession from 60 to 65 will...

I doubt they will. They'll a few but most buying there will have to move from east stand for affordability leaving lots of gaps in the east stand, so no need to open North stand centre blocks. Going to look very odd and very 2016. Quick survey of 12 season ticket holders I know, 7 renewing 5...

That's another issue. Matchday sales will no doubt start from block 25 and blocks will be released one by one, meaning it'll be empty behind the goals most games. No city fans behind either goal, loving that league 1 vibe.

I've just realised also that under 14s have to pay £50 membership fee on top of £200 st price.

Thing is, they know some will pay it. I could pay a total of £650 to sit in the family zone, but in the end I'll have to pay £1300 to stay in the corner, that's how much I value the difference in matchday experience. Guess they are banking on that.

You've been arguing that the increase from £25 to £200 is just to force jsbs into one area, 'like it used to be'. I've shown from 2016 onwards there was no difference in pricing for jsbs regardless of where they sat and your counter is a screen grab showing that in the season prior there was a...

It was even cheaper in the season you mention, it was only £23 in the standard zone.

This was 7 seasons ago and as far back as online account goes. As I have been saying, kids could go in block 16 and get a free st with £25 membership fee. Was not the case you had to go in jsb zone.

No,.they were free, you just had to pay the £25 membership fee which you had to pay in the JSB section also. I did this for my son in block 16. What is it you're not getting? Even if what you were saying was true, which it isn't, you're going back 8 years anyway. People don't won't to move from...

To qualify for the cheaper adult ticket you had to, but you could buy kids tickets at jsb prices anywhere in the ground.

You keep saying this, but it wasn't. Fuck sake.

Nope, it wasn't. My kids had the free season ticket in block 16 years before SA move.