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That's right. That's been the fallacy of this whole thing. Where people can't see gain, they don't see motivation. Had Dale asked for a single penny from anyone or had a business to promote or anything at all that people saw as a possible gain I think they'd have called it much earlier. That...

Yes, he knows what he's doing. As I say, its an addiction rather than a delusion. But a very real addiction. And I'm not sure you can quite label it "calculating" because he would have known the ultimate consequences and as I mentioned a few posts back actually had a calculated opportunity to...

I don't disagree with any of that, Nick. You're dead right. The above is exactly how I would expect someone to be behave and the concerns I would expect them to have. What I'm saying is that in the actual midst of a situation like that some people behave strangely. At the time of looking around...

You say "Use my daughter" but I don't really think she's allowed her son to be used. At that point, it's a harmless looky-loo around a barn conversion. She may have been uncomfortable with it, but looking around a nice house is hardly going to scar him for life. I wouldn't have done it, you...

That's right. They had more to lose. A lot more. And some people in that situation puff their chest out and deal with it. Some bury their heads. His family did the latter. That's wrong but I bet not unusual if you were to put 100 other families in the same situation.

I couldn't say 100% but I seriously doubt he has won anything. Maybe a couple of quid on an acca which was the germination of the story but nothing significant. The night after he was at the Ricoh with Joe Elliot his Uncle got a call from him at 1am because he needed him to pay his £70 bar bill.

I don't think it's a question of "falling for it". I think deep down they knew it didn't add up. Or in fact it did add up to entirely what it has turned out to be. What I'm saying is they clung to the hope and ignored the reality the reality was pretty dark for them when you think about it. I...

But that's it Nick. It WAS obvious after 5 minutes on the radio and yet how many people that heard the same interview that you and I did still believed. Not just believed it in fact. Vociferously defended it! They ignored what was obvious because they wanted it. My point is, his closest family...

I think you have to timeline this a little.. So the first story is "Hey, I've won £14million gambling!" "Sure Dale".. "Hey, I've found a great house. Lets go and have a look round" *sigh" "OK Dale, sure". *what's the harm in going for a look round a house* ...and then it escalates. "I've...

But you have to remember, Otis as mad as it sounds she's really only just started to accept that it isn't true. He would have had plenty of stories for why the house purchase had "fallen through" or been "delayed", lots of reasons why they couldn't spend any money yet. All entirely unbelievable...

Well.. I suppose when you talk about mental illness it's always to some extent subjective, isn't it? You could argue any way of thinking that isn't "usual" is mental illness. Is addiction a mental illness? Alcoholics Anonymous would say so wouldn't they? And I would say that he's an addict. He's...

Truthfully, I don't know. I don't want to talk out of school by giving out private details, but I do know they've only recently begun to accept that it's definitely not true. And before you say it, yes. That's totally fucking bizzare to me and you as to go along with this you've got to accept he...

Yes. I know him. I'm not close to him but I'm close to people who are, if you know what I mean.

Yes, I think you're right. But I'm sure when you first relayed the story you said daughter. And I THINK when I've read you mention it since you've referred to a daughter or when another poster has referred to your post. So maybe the person that told you the story got it wrong. As I say, could...

Exactly. Which is why the first time I was told "Hey, have you heard Dale's won £14million" my reaction was immediately "No. He hasn't" before I'd seen any evidence either way. It was Dale. It was always going to be bullshit. But I had nothing to lose either way. I'm pretty certain I personally...

Everything you've said is right, but I think people in heightened situations do strange things. Please don't get me wrong, I've taken the exact view you've taken above all the way through. It was his family that I could never understand and have I've said multiple times to various people that...

It was definitely a "daughter" mentioned because I remember discussing it with someone for exactly that reason. As I say, maybe the person that told you the story just mis-remembered a detail.

Maybe you would, Nick. And I think I would I too. What I'm saying is, that it's not THAT surprising that they didn't. It makes them flawed people, but not unusual or bad people I don't think. I was referring to the story about them being injured in a car crash which turned out to be a lie. That...

Agree entirely. They know perfectly well that he lies. They know that some of those lies are so ridiculous there is literally no way it could be true. Hence why I found it so amazing that they couldn't see that this was 100% fictitious. But it doesn't change any of the above. Even being...

I think when you talk about his family you're being inadvertently a little unfair. It fairness to you I took the same view myself from the start. Could not believe that his family were feeding this fantasy by going along with it. But whilst everything Otis and Nick have said is in its own way...