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KenilworthSkyBlue

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Not ‘likely true’, it is true.

Some of the reactions on both sides is pretty bad. The amount of people ‘outed’ for celebrating a death, particularly the college kid chanting ‘we got Charlie in the neck’ over a megaphone is disgusting.

Most people on the right have called for calm, quoting Kirk’s maxim of: ‘when people stop talking, bad things happen’. That’s the majority I’ve seen.

There people on the Right such as Fuentes and Candace Owens who are bad actors. The former is trying to win over and radicalise Kirk’s audience and Owens has gone down this ugly rabbit hole ‘it’s Israel’s fault’. Those people, I’m not worried about because they’re fringe actors and most reasonable people see through their BS. What is concerning is people like Tim Pool and Matt Walsh saying the following





^ this one is particularly concerning - anyone who frames ‘right v left’ as ‘good v evil’ is peddling a false dichotomy. There a good and people across the political spectrum and ‘uniting’ with everyone on the ‘right’ is a terrible idea (and vice versa), for example.
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I mean you can't say that definitively but yes it does certainly appear that way.

The mocking of Charlie Kirk's death is obviously abhorrent, but if I'm honest it's relatively minor in comparison to the direct incitement of violence towards the left from individuals in response to the shooting if I'm totally honest, but that's just my personal opinion based on what I've read, seen and heard.

From posts on socials to comments from political speakers or politicians themselves, I do feel this incident has given them license to generate a witch hunt which is snowballing at pace, with many pushing the rhetoric of anything and everything from global awakenings to violent retaliation.

You only have to look at Musk's X page and the comments to his posts to see the hysteria that has been whipped up - with my personal recent favourite of his being: "the left is the party of murder."

Trump himself also appears to be using Kirk's death as a blunt instrument to basically whack the left with, and not just the radical far-left for that matter, basically anyone that opposes him which is beyond concerning to be honest. https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/17/politics/trump-rico-liberal-groups
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
‘Most people on the right have called for calm’ because one of their own has been killed. I never, ever see it from them when it’s one of their own conducting the violence.

Let’s be honest, they’re guilty of it far more often.
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How is this verified?

A YouGov poll in America found most respondents believe Kirk’s killer was a Republican which isn’t true. The reason people think this is because you have MSNBC, CNN and other networks that are either a) obfuscating or b) wilfully misleading people on the killer’s motives. Not to point score, but yourself, Kenilworth and I discussed ‘potential’ motives and it’s fair to say the ‘trans activist’ narrative is the correct version of events based on current information.

Likewise, the church shooter in Minneapolis was labelled ‘far right’ when again, they were transactivist who had anti-Semitic slogans on the rifle.

Therefore, based on these 2 examples, I’m v sceptical of how some of these shootings are reported.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
‘Most people on the right have called for calm’ because one of their own has been killed. I never, ever see it from them when it’s one of their own conducting the violence.

Let’s be honest, they’re guilty of it far more often.
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And given the existing statistics which heavily point to which 'side' has committed more extremist related killings, it's not really all that difficult to conclude why incitement of retaliatory violence from the right against the left is a pretty huge concern.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
How is this verified?

A YouGov poll in America found most respondents believe Kirk’s killer was a Republican which isn’t true. The reason people think this is because you have MSNBC, CNN and other networks that are either a) obfuscating or b) wilfully misleading people on the killer’s motives. Not to point score, but yourself, Kenilworth and I discussed ‘potential’ motives and it’s fair to say the ‘trans activist’ narrative is the correct version of events based on current information.

Likewise, the church shooter in Minneapolis was labelled ‘far right’ when again, they were transactivist who had anti-Semitic slogans on the rifle.

Therefore, based on these 2 examples, I’m v sceptical of how some of these shootings are reported.
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You can't point score against me on something that I didn't refute.

I even said at the time that while it certainly appeared that his motive was likely trans activist related, Robinson wasn't cooperating so the FBI were piecing together what fragmented information they had available from external sources / the people around him.

I was more taking issue with you inferring the engravings on the bullet casings were basically definitive proof of said motive when even experts were having trouble in coming to a concrete conclusion of their meaning as he was apparently steeped in meme and online gaming culture.

There were so many mights and mays out in the media over those 2-3 days that taking anything at face value would've been pointless.
 
duffer

duffer

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TomRad85 said:
Are you ok? I was clearly referring to the Kirk shooter and questioned why Pete would even compare the 2 cases.
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In truth I thought you were talking about the school shooter here, so my mistake. On the "are you OK" question though, I assume that you're not OK with letting a 14-year-old have unsupervised access to a firearm? That was what I was driving at.
 
duffer

duffer

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Just to briefly come back to the claim that political violence is a radical left wing issue, there's a factual report that offers this:

"Extremist-related killings in recent years have primarily been committed by far-right extremists. Mass shootings caused a substantial portion of those deaths. The white supremacist mass shooter who attacked Latinos at a Walmart in El Paso in 2019, killing 23 people, was responsible by himself for almost half of the 51 extremist-related deaths that year. The lower numbers since then can substantially be attributed to fewer far-right mass killing events (with numerous planned incidents prevented by law enforcement) and fewer deaths at some that did occur. One must travel back to the year 2000, which saw nine killings committed by far-right extremists, to find a lower number of deaths from right-wing extremists than the 13 in 2024."

What is encouraging is that most people here stand against violence of any kind.

What's discouraging is that the leader of the free world and the richest man on the planet seem to believe that it's OK until it's violence against someone they like, and then it's a left wing conspiracy.

 
Ccfcisparks

Ccfcisparks

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duffer said:
Just to briefly come back to the claim that political violence is a radical left wing issue, there's a factual report that offers this:

"Extremist-related killings in recent years have primarily been committed by far-right extremists. Mass shootings caused a substantial portion of those deaths. The white supremacist mass shooter who attacked Latinos at a Walmart in El Paso in 2019, killing 23 people, was responsible by himself for almost half of the 51 extremist-related deaths that year. The lower numbers since then can substantially be attributed to fewer far-right mass killing events (with numerous planned incidents prevented by law enforcement) and fewer deaths at some that did occur. One must travel back to the year 2000, which saw nine killings committed by far-right extremists, to find a lower number of deaths from right-wing extremists than the 13 in 2024."

What is encouraging is that most people here stand against violence of any kind.

What's discouraging is that the leader of the free world and the richest man on the planet seem to believe that it's OK until it's violence against someone they like, and then it's a left wing conspiracy.

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I don't think anyone is suggesting its limited to the left wing
 
duffer

duffer

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Ccfcisparks said:
I don't think anyone is suggesting its limited to the left wing
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That is literally what Trump is saying...

www.nbcnews.com

Trump administration says it will target far left groups for Kirk's assassination. Prosecutors made no such link.

Kirk’s alleged assassin said he targeted the conservative activist because he “spreads too much hate” and “I had enough of his hatred,” new court documents show.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

Elon Musk, "the left is the party of murder".

 
Ccfcisparks

Ccfcisparks

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duffer said:
That is literally what Trump is saying...

www.nbcnews.com

Trump administration says it will target far left groups for Kirk's assassination. Prosecutors made no such link.

Kirk’s alleged assassin said he targeted the conservative activist because he “spreads too much hate” and “I had enough of his hatred,” new court documents show.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

Elon Musk, "the left is the party of murder".

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I should have said "anyone with sense"

but at least it supports my theory its top v bottom not left v right
 
Briles

Briles

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"Left, left, left right left" This isn't a fucking March. Ok, so the shooter was fucking his room mate who was Trans. We have two ways of looking at it. 1) He was so far right he went full circle and fucked a bloke/himself or 2) Was so left wing he felt that shooting someone would give him bit of breathing space.

Either way he was a grade A cock.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Ccfcisparks said:
Exactly. Free medical care for all I can't imagine many peoplearguing against.
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Many would as the US is used to a low personal tax economy
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Ccfcisparks said:
I think most that would benefit from free health care would be in favour of it.
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Its not free though is it? The US structure is a world away from ours,
 
duffer

duffer

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Briles said:
"Left, left, left right left" This isn't a fucking March. Ok, so the shooter was fucking his room mate who was Trans. We have two ways of looking at it. 1) He was so far right he went full circle and fucked a bloke/himself or 2) Was so left wing he felt that shooting someone would give him bit of breathing space.

Either way he was a grade A cock.
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I think you could make a fair argument for saying he wasn't really political at all.

It looks like, at first glance anyway, he had a strong issue with what Kirk was saying about a number of things, and decided that the only solution was to shoot him. There's no indication he was advocating revolution (the usual far left excuse for violence) or doing it as part of some grander plan; there's no manifesto, he just wanted to kill Kirk, an individual he hated.

It's a dreadful thing to do, even if you share my belief that Kirk was a pretty hateful individual. But it certainly doesn't look like a far left conspiracy, and anyone with any decency would condemn _all_ acts of political violence rather than trying to use it as an excuse to demonise their perceived opponents.
 
Otis

Otis

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fatso said:
I'll just leave this excellent speech from JD here

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Let me guess. It's all the fault of the left. They are the threat. He didn't mention right wing violence or extremism and they need to root out the evil that is the radical left in the press and media etc.

Am I close?
 
duffer

duffer

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Otis said:
Let me guess. It's all the fault of the left. They are the threat. He didn't mention right wing violence or extremism and they need to root out the evil that is the radical left in the press and media etc.

Am I close?
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Thank you, mate, for saving me from having to listen to it. 😁
 
fatso

fatso

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Otis said:
Let me guess. It's all the fault of the left. They are the threat. He didn't mention right wing violence or extremism and they need to root out the evil that is the radical left in the press and media etc.

Am I close?
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Why not listen to it?
Im sure you can be arsed, or else why bother replying?
 
Otis

Otis

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fatso said:
Why not listen to it?
Im sure you can be arsed, or else why bother replying?
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Because he's full of lies and falsehoods and I have already heard him say stuff on the matter. I indeed cannot be arsed to listen to a whole dirge of inane dribble from him.

And I replied because I think I was going to be pretty damned close to what he came out with.

He follows Trump's rhetoric and Trump has already pretty much said everything is the fault of the radical left.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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TomRad85 said:
I fail to any reason that any 'blame' would fall on the father. My wife learned to shoot when she lived in Cyprus, her dad taught her. As far as i know she's not camped on a roof right now and if she was the only thing her dad would be to blame for would be making her a good shot.
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Certainly no blame can be attributed to the father. He did nothing illegal and his son was a grown man who should be responsible for himself.

What I will say though is that if you bring a child up in a household where guns are considered acceptable, even necessary, that child is far more likely to be willing to use a gun than a child from a household which does not own guns and considers them unnecessary and dangerous.

There is quite a common thing in the US, when asked about why they need guns, to hark back to the formation of the country and the need to defend themselves from tyrants. So if they consider someone a tyrant isn't that the entire point of having the guns? It's a nonsense but if you bring a child up with that kind of mindset during their most impressionable years, it must increase the risk that they'll do something about it.
 
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rob9872

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Briles said:
"Left, left, left right left" This isn't a fucking March. Ok, so the shooter was fucking his room mate who was Trans. We have two ways of looking at it. 1) He was so far right he went full circle and fucked a bloke/himself or 2) Was so left wing he felt that shooting someone would give him bit of breathing space.

Either way he was a grade A cock.
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If it was Grade A cock he was looking for, Trans wasn't really the place to go. Should've gone for that guy in the memes with the green hat.
 
Otis

Otis

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BBC News - Jimmy Kimmel taken off air over Charlie Kirk comments
www.bbc.com

Jimmy Kimmel taken off air over Charlie Kirk comments

The late-night host said on Monday that Trump's allies were "doing everything they can to score political points from" Kirk's death.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

This is very worrying

What happened to the pursuit of free speech?



No mocking of the death of Charlie Kirk there, which appeared to be the angle the administration were going for in terms of trying to get people cancelled or sacked.

Whether you don't like him and whether you find him unfunny, has Kimmel said anything here that warrants his cancellation? I have just watched it. I do quite like Kimmel, but didn't find this particular pre amble very funny, but can't see anything in there that warrants him being pulled off air.

It's also weird that the department for justice has pulled the figures that say a study has shown the majority of domestic terror and violence comes from white supremacists and the far right and not the left.

So the governments own figures. But now pulled because it doesn't suit the narrative.

It's only free speech when the Trump administration decide it's free speech
 
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Super Frank

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Otis said:
BBC News - Jimmy Kimmel taken off air over Charlie Kirk comments
www.bbc.com

Jimmy Kimmel taken off air over Charlie Kirk comments

The late-night host said on Monday that Trump's allies were "doing everything they can to score political points from" Kirk's death.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

This is very worrying

What happened to the pursuit of free speech?



No mocking of the death of Charlie Kirk there, which appeared to be the angle the administration were going for in terms of trying to get people cancelled or sacked.

Whether you don't like him and whether you find him unfunny, has Kimmel said anything here that warrants his cancellation? I have just watched it. I do quite like Kimmel, but didn't find this particular pre amble very funny, but can't see anything in there that warrants him being pulled off air.

It's also weird that the department for justice has pulled the figures that say a study has shown the majority of domestic terror and violence comes from white supremacists and the far right and not the left.

So the governments own figures. But now pulled because it doesn't suit the narrative.

It's only free speech when the Trump administration decide it's free speech
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Jimmy Kimmel is off air because he sucks. Bottom line. He stopped being funny long ago. His numbers tanked. He was a wanker. ABC is using this to drop his sorry ass. Nothing to see here.
 
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