operationprem
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Apparently not the type of player we are looking for, what a load of bollox. Could play anywhere in our midfield and improve it why can't they just an honest an say we can't afford anyone
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oldskyblue58
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anyone else also concerned not only about not getting Kightly or someone else but the excuse that players must be able to play the diamond formation?
There have been flashes in the season so far where that formation has worked but generally the players we have havent looked convincing and the formation looked lightweight. Surely a decent player would be adaptable to some degree. The sort of player that will make that system work, that will have the energy and strength is likely to be at a decent club already or too expensive.
Surely we require some quality, some endeavour, some speed in all four midfield positions ? We are pretty exposed in the midfield. Positions generally covered by our more experienced players, who have under performed. Wouldnt or couldnt Kightly add something positive to that ?
I think there are two factors at work, firstly there is no money being released to realistic compete for signings but I am beginning to wonder if AT knows who he wants and how to make his chosen formation work. We need to be more robust, harder to beat, and the last few games I just do not see it
Am rapidly losing the faith I had remaining not just off but on the field. Time for my week away I think, which in itself is worrying as last time i went away the bid collapsed, Turner was sold, Juke nearly went, and we nearly signed a donkey !!!!!! :facepalm:
Worrying times !!!
am crossing my fingers that I come back to better news
There have been flashes in the season so far where that formation has worked but generally the players we have havent looked convincing and the formation looked lightweight. Surely a decent player would be adaptable to some degree. The sort of player that will make that system work, that will have the energy and strength is likely to be at a decent club already or too expensive.
Surely we require some quality, some endeavour, some speed in all four midfield positions ? We are pretty exposed in the midfield. Positions generally covered by our more experienced players, who have under performed. Wouldnt or couldnt Kightly add something positive to that ?
I think there are two factors at work, firstly there is no money being released to realistic compete for signings but I am beginning to wonder if AT knows who he wants and how to make his chosen formation work. We need to be more robust, harder to beat, and the last few games I just do not see it
Am rapidly losing the faith I had remaining not just off but on the field. Time for my week away I think, which in itself is worrying as last time i went away the bid collapsed, Turner was sold, Juke nearly went, and we nearly signed a donkey !!!!!! :facepalm:
Worrying times !!!
am crossing my fingers that I come back to better news
skyblueinBaku
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He is exactly what we are looking for, the trouble is, the deal to get him wasn't the kind we're looking for. Why can't these people be straight with us?
Cingan's injury makes it even more important to bolster the midfield; or doesn't Mr Dildo know that the captain is injured?
Cingan's injury makes it even more important to bolster the midfield; or doesn't Mr Dildo know that the captain is injured?
sky blue john
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it was bull shit reporting in the first place to say we were interested.
Also we need players who are ready to play now, Kightly has had 90mins for the reserves and been injured best part of two years, the article states needs 6-7 games to get fit. Well do you really think we have that luxury to play someone who is not ready ?
Maybe worth a punt if loan would be for whole season but we still need fit players now !!!!!!
Also we need players who are ready to play now, Kightly has had 90mins for the reserves and been injured best part of two years, the article states needs 6-7 games to get fit. Well do you really think we have that luxury to play someone who is not ready ?
Maybe worth a punt if loan would be for whole season but we still need fit players now !!!!!!
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Yea I agree, Thorn is stubborn with his persistence in the diamond. We need to be able to adapt and play a variety of formations, besides I think Kightley would have fitted into the diamond anyway.anyone else also concerned not only about not getting Kightly or someone else but the excuse that players must be able to play the diamond formation?
There have been flashes in the season so far where that formation has worked but generally the players we have havent looked convincing and the formation looked lightweight. Surely a decent player would be adaptable to some degree. The sort of player that will make that system work, that will have the energy and strength is likely to be at a decent club already or too expensive.
Surely we require some quality, some endeavour, some speed in all four midfield positions ? We are pretty exposed in the midfield. Positions generally covered by our more experienced players, who have under performed. Wouldnt or couldnt Kightly add something positive to that ?
I think there are two factors at work, firstly there is no money being released to realistic compete for signings but I am beginning to wonder if AT knows who he wants and how to make his chosen formation work. We need to be more robust, harder to beat, and the last few games I just do not see it
Am rapidly losing the faith I had remaining not just off but on the field. Time for my week away I think, which in itself is worrying as last time i went away the bid collapsed, Turner was sold, Juke nearly went, and we nearly signed a donkey !!!!!! :facepalm:
Worrying times !!!
SkyBlueScottie
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Apart from the fact that in our last couple of games we have gone with a narrow 3 across the middle....
In Thorns opinion Kightley would not fit in, plus it will take him approximately 6 or 7 games to get match fit..... er no thanks.
skyblueinBaku
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Are you going somewhere exotic, hot and sunny, OSB? When you come back, we will have won 2 games on the trot and be embarking on a winning streak.
:thinking about: Perhaps I need a holiday more than you do.........
:thinking about: Perhaps I need a holiday more than you do.........
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Cyprus SBD...... friends wedding and looking forward to a good time relaxing.
admire your optimism hope those wins come!
admire your optimism
hope those wins come!
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Mumford and Daughter
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Are you for real? Kightley would be ideal, better then the rubbish we have at present.
If Thorn has come out and said he isnt the type of player we need then im even losing more confidence in him.
SydneySkyBlue
Member
I'm inclined to agree with the idea that the team stick to a formation and get used to it. I'm not sure we're good enough to be flexible to be honest. Maybe the best we can hope for is some sort of consistency.
Whether or not that's the real reason for players not coming in is another matter...
Whether or not that's the real reason for players not coming in is another matter...
M+D ,If thorn has come out and said this ,thats the question,personally i doubt it ,i doubt AT had anything to do with the speculation regarding this player,just like every utterance from Sisu ,its consistent,consistant bullshit.for what its worth to me its a sign of tension building between manager /board that lead to Deluded uttering anything.or just more poor journalism fromCT,why don't they do something useful and get onto the football league for answers to our ownership ,like us lot have .
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
You see that worries me also ..... against Barnsley we played narrow full stop..... McSheffery still tried to play in the diamond though. We surrendered the wings and Barnsley exploited it. We had no width played awfully and got well beaten. We dont actually know what is the best system for the players we have......... yes everyone thinks the diamond is an attractive way to play but with the squad we have there is generally no strength to it because there are too many gaps, not enough energy from players, no pace either physically or mentally, etc. For whatever reason the tactics or system do not look like they are getting through........ or perhaps it is that there are no dominant players on the pitch to force it through.
Hopefully AT will have got it sorted in this last two weeks, because the last game looked like muddled thinking on and off the pitch
Mumford and Daughter
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Be interesting to see the quotes. I agree on the CT, they need to dig deep into the problem with SISU and who they are. But that means doing work and the CT lot are laziest journo's going.
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Clive Plattini
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The diamond only works if we are on top and dominating possession. Unfortunately we don't have players to do that. That means when we have less possession the opponents have so much space on the wings like at ipswich. That leaves our fullbacks exposed and in turn stops them going forward. At that point thorn needs to switch to 442. But we don't have any out and out wingers and haven't done for quite some time.
We basically could not afford kightly is my guess, cos you would have to be an idiot to turn him down.
We basically could not afford kightly is my guess, cos you would have to be an idiot to turn him down.
Ginnetta ,the most inventive, penetrating football we've played this season ,was second half against Derby +Blackpool,against derby the distribution changed with the introduction of Dunn,we played our football much further forward ,it involved plenty of retention ,but we were more direct,Blackpool was similar in that we played predominantly in their half ,at a much higher tempo .The main threat in our team is Juke and the more he has the ball the better we are,rolling it around sideways and backwards with poor Beckhamesque crosses is'nt to his strength,but we should be able to mix it up ,the fact we did in those two games showed it .in huckerby's piece in the CT today he stresses it was one of the strengths,that they wer'nt one dimensional
SkyBlue_Bear83
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I didn't go to the Barnsley game but the two games before that in Reading and Blackpool we played the diamond to begin with, against Reading we played it for the whole game and against Blackpool we changed it pretty early on which was signs we hadn't prepared properly.
stupot07
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The problem is the diamond formation is our plan A, so rightly so we started with our plan a against Blackpool, it wasn't working so we switched to our plan b, that is what a plan b is for.
Also this season we have played 4231 and 433, but in the main we have looked at our best in the diamond. The problem is our our best isn't good enough because our players aren't good enough, and we're in dire need of some pace. We can't even counter attack when we're under the cosh because we're far too slow.
skyblueinBaku
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SydneySkyBlue
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Gotcha. And I agree. The diamond is our plan A though so maybe if we're making any 'big' signings we should base them on whether that player would fit into it.
Having said that I'm sure Kightly would be starting regardless if we had him in the squad.
Paxman II
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I have to say from what i hear of Kitely it would have been a poor decision to bring him in. Way off match fitness...very much an unknown having been out so long too. We have limited resources so can't be taking giant risk like he would be.
I like OSB have said before we need to take a close look at how we have performed in the last couple of games. \i'm all for attractive football as many of you on here have always demanded after watching that diabolical mess on show under AB but adaptable we must be and I'm hoping the kinks have been ironed out this last two weeks. If not then not just AT's ability at the helm could be questionable but as I keep saying the rest of the back room coaching staff who have remained through several managers during recent turbulent times will need to be reassessed surely?
I like OSB have said before we need to take a close look at how we have performed in the last couple of games. \i'm all for attractive football as many of you on here have always demanded after watching that diabolical mess on show under AB but adaptable we must be and I'm hoping the kinks have been ironed out this last two weeks. If not then not just AT's ability at the helm could be questionable but as I keep saying the rest of the back room coaching staff who have remained through several managers during recent turbulent times will need to be reassessed surely?
WillieStanley
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The problem we had against Reading was that they were pushing back our full backs so we had no width. If that happens, I'd just switch to a flat midfield. Width has returned, balls into the box are more achievable. I hope Thorn isn't stubborn to the point of Strachan. Stubbornness can be a virtue, but not to that extreme!
Nonleagueherewecome
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It doesn't surprise me-I said a few days back on here that it'd be strange to be signing a winger when we don't play with wingers. In a bid to further my campaign to win the Ian Holloway Metaphor & Analogy Award, I repeat my original comments:
So..were we even interested in the first place?
I know we are beggars and can't be choosers, but all the same..We need a loan player...we'll be lucky to get one..we play without wingers...so we make our only loan signing a winger
So really, we're worse than beggars..we're like a bald beggar who had just been offered a hair-dryer. Only it's worse than that, as we probably won't even get this quality player who doesn't fit into our system...we are a homeless bald beggar who has just been offered a hair-dryer, but only if we can provide a postage address for it to be delivered to.
So..were we even interested in the first place?
Nonleagueherewecome
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Ah, well therein lies the truth of the matter: "as soon as other clubs come into the equation, we can't compete" as AT said last week. It's possibly a "we were never interested", possibly a case of us haggling over wage contribution/loan fee and being "blown out of the water" by a rival, yet again.
Will we ever sign a loan player?!?
Nonleagueherewecome
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I can see it maybe being a 4th choice player from L1-L2 like Madine was, or a "no way near good enough" kid from the Prem like Lee Sawyer, at best.
georgehudson
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kightly ruled out
just another tedious bout of 'our owners' drivel,
he doesn't fit into our system,
oh yeah ken, since when have you been an expert on football,
it is a sad and sorry state,
piss up in a brewery ? mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
just another tedious bout of 'our owners' drivel,
he doesn't fit into our system,
oh yeah ken, since when have you been an expert on football,
it is a sad and sorry state,
piss up in a brewery ? mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Nonleagueherewecome
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When he is match fit he will be coming to us
I'll have whatever you're having!