wilson - sheffield (7 Viewers)

mrbluesky87

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Because surely its this that would fundementally be the main reason for having to sell. I can bet your bottom dollar Fisher would be the first to say "if our gates were higher we would have not needed to sell" etc etc. I am a NOPM person and although it is shit not being able to go and watch the team I have supported since I could walk if this is what it takes to oust SISU and return the club back home then so be it.
 

RoboCCFC90

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not really a player that wanted to stay here and told he had to go same will happen if the money is right makes no difference if it is top division or championship ect ect.

I know for a fact he won't go.
 

larry_david

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In other slightly related news I was debating putting a daft bet on Wilson to be top scorer in the league, saw 50/1 available I reckon if I asked around could get bigger. But is it worth doing knowing he could be banging them in for Sheff Utd?!
 

valiant15

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Don't think I could say it any better than the young man below.

To be honest with you i couldn't really give a damn if he goes, im not crying about it im going on sisu's history over the last 6 years. If you honestly think that they won't try and cash in on any of our better players then more fool you. The only reason our better players will be here after the Window closes will be because no other club wanted them.
 

RoboCCFC90

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To be honest with you i couldn't really give a damn if he goes, im not crying about it im going on sisu's history over the last 6 years. If you honestly think that they won't try and cash in on any of our better players then more fool you. The only reason our better players will be here after the Window closes will be because no other club wanted them.

lets hope your right but i will wait and see what happens, until the transfer window is closed nobody in the squad that is any good is safe

I think guys we have just have to wait, there is to much pre-judgement based on the past, the club is already trying to get rid of the bomb squad which is good, I can't see the attraction to SISU of wanting to cash in on Callum it's almost the Marlon King situation that Steve Waggott pointed out in the meeting with the SCG not to long ago, if they sell him off instead of putting there hand in their pocket they could lose out in the greater scheme of things.

I personally can't see the attraction for Callum to move to the Blades based on everything that could cross his mind.
 

Astute

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So if Wilson says that he wants to stay but SISU say they want to sell him what will happen?
 

thaiskyblue

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I can't see him leaving for anyone in our divison just yet. Look at his point of view, he's been with us since what, 8-9 years old? Dreaming on being a star striker for the club, he finally gets his chance after we've stuck with him for year after year of injury issues. He even said yesterday how much he owes Pressley for giving him a chance. You think he'd jump ship at the first chance, move 2 hours up north? I'd be more worried if it was Clarke they were after because at his age now, he might be thinking his times running out to be at a club pushing for higher
Don't hold your breath , there's no loyalty in the modern game, thanks to agents, money talks ask SHITSU.
 

RoboCCFC90

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So if Wilson says that he wants to stay but SISU say they want to sell him what will happen?

As far as I know it Callum Wilson could decline to negotiate a deal with Sheffield United even if SISU agreed a fee, allowing Callum to stay on.
 

thaiskyblue

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I think guys we have just have to wait, there is to much pre-judgement based on the past, the club is already trying to get rid of the bomb squad which is good, I can't see the attraction to SISU of wanting to cash in on Callum it's almost the Marlon King situation that Steve Waggott pointed out in the meeting with the SCG not to long ago, if they sell him off instead of putting there hand in their pocket they could lose out in the greater scheme of things.

I personally can't see the attraction for Callum to move to the Blades based on everything that could cross his mind.
the attraction is playing for a better run club, more money, possible promotion.
 

Noggin

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I personally can't see the attraction for Callum to move to the Blades based on everything that could cross his mind.

There are many reasons that make it attractive, They are massively less likely to get relegated than us, they are significantly more likely to be promoted than us. I know full well that we have started better than them but I still very strongly believe this is the case as do the bookies. There is the chance that ccfc could disappear completely, unlikely but it's a factor to consider.

He would be playing in front of crowds with about 16k sheffield fans vs about 1500 ccfc fans. Sheffield is a more fun city to live in than Coventry. Though it's easier to get to Birmingham and London from here.

There is much more positivity and alot less negativity around their club.

He will quite possibly know if it's possible we are going to lose baker/christie/clark etc and if we are that makes staying significantly less attractive

He could very easily get a massive payrise and it's not guaranteed he will be able to in the future. If he is 100% positive his great from is sustainable and down to being a fantastic talent then staying isn't much of a risk financially, however if he isn't 100% sure on this and if he thinks ccfc won't be able to keep up the great scoring record, that we might struggle in the winter, that we might lose his striking partner, that his own form may drop then it's possible he won't be a target for other clubs in the future. If he is at all unsure about his talent he should get the financial security from taking a massive pay rise and a 2 or 3 year contract.

I have no idea if he wants to leave, if sisu would sell, what the offer is if there is one, but if I were him and the payrise is significant and ccfc arn't willing to offer a contract that provides a big increase themselves then I would leave, it's the smart thing to do.
 

larry_david

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If SISU agree and Wilson really doesn't want to go, he can say no. What are SISU going to do then, force Pressley not to play him? Course not. He's (at the moment) one of our most effective players and let's be honest he won't be on much so it's not like we 'need' to get rid.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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Whilst I'm delighted with how Wilson is doing I can't see Sheffield Utd signing him on the back of 5 good games, they'll just be monitoring his progress for now. If he keeps up the form till January then I imagine we will have a couple of bids for him from various clubs
 

RoboCCFC90

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the attraction is playing for a better run club, more money, possible promotion.

Possible Promotion - Doubt it, 4 points from 4 games, a miserable start to their season.

More Money - Have bought in 5 players who they have only paid one fee for and that was a Scottish Championship Club, they're reported to have money to spend however don't expect it to be the among amounts of some of the more serious to get out this division.

Better Run Club - They went quicker from the Premier League to League One than us! Okay albeit they had a few chances to get back up and never managed it, are they better run club? Possibly however compared to Sheff Utd our owners are always in the spotlight where as Sheffield United's owners aren't..
 

Noggin

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Whilst I'm delighted with how Wilson is doing I can't see Sheffield Utd signing him on the back of 5 good games, they'll just be monitoring his progress for now. If he keeps up the form till January then I imagine we will have a couple of bids for him from various clubs

Well it's the sort of thing thats a gamble. If he is as good as he looks after 5 games they would make millions on him, if he isn't (and he probably isn't hence the reason I'd take a big payrise if I were him) then they would lose out. so it depends what he is available for to see if the gamble is worth it or not. If you can get players for a couple of hundred k that you believe might be worth a few mill then you don't have to be right very often for it to be a financially prudent gamble.
 

skybluelee

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The owners have stated they have funds to sustain us for many years so this would make no sense. Keeping this young talent in Northampton would be Tim Fisher's preferred option I guess.

Oh well if our owners have stated something then it must be true...
 

thaiskyblue

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Possible Promotion - Doubt it, 4 points from 4 games, a miserable start to their season.

More Money - Have bought in 5 players who they have only paid one fee for and that was a Scottish Championship Club, they're reported to have money to spend however don't expect it to be the among amounts of some of the more serious to get out this division.

Better Run Club - They went quicker from the Premier League to League One than us! Okay albeit they had a few chances to get back up and never managed it, are they better run club? Possibly however compared to Sheff Utd our owners are always in the spotlight where as Sheffield United's owners aren't..
i'd like to see sepella in the spotlight for once.





they will be there at the end of the season, defina tly a better run club we are a joke, and i wish our owners were in the spotlight more ( sepella).
 

Noggin

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Possible Promotion - Doubt it, 4 points from 4 games, a miserable start to their season.

It is worse than ours certainly (though they are still 7 points above us of course) but the bookies have them at 6-1 to get promoted, us at 40-1. It's very very likely we have over performed and them under performed and it's very likely that will change.

More Money - Have bought in 5 players who they have only paid one fee for and that was a Scottish Championship Club, they're reported to have money to spend however don't expect it to be the among amounts of some of the more serious to get out this division.

Much more money for him because he will be on very low wages for us being on the wages of someone just coming from the academy and being completely unproven and would be signing a deal based on being a starter for a promotion chasing league 1 team. Of course the smart thing would be for sisu to offer him a better contract if they believe him to be much better than his current wages suggest. But I doubt they would be willing to after he has only played a handful of professional games since signing the contract (edit actually he played 12 times last year more than I thought mostly as a sub, doesn't change the point though).

Better Run Club - They went quicker from the Premier League to League One than us! Okay albeit they had a few chances to get back up and never managed it, are they better run club? Possibly however compared to Sheff Utd our owners are always in the spotlight where as Sheffield United's owners aren't..

If you could possibly be unsure about weather sheffield utd are a better run club than us then I really can't understand where you are coming from, you can make a strong argument for us being the worst run professional club in England
 
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RoboCCFC90

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There are many reasons that make it attractive, They are massively less likely to get relegated than us, they are significantly more likely to be promoted than us. I know full well that we have started better than them but I still very strongly believe this is the case as do the bookies. There is the chance that ccfc could disappear completely, unlikely but it's a factor to consider.

He would be playing in front of crowds with about 16k sheffield fans vs about 1500 ccfc fans. Sheffield is a more fun city to live in than Coventry. Though it's easier to get to Birmingham and London from here.

There is much more positivity and alot less negativity around their club.

He will quite possibly know if it's possible we are going to lose baker/christie/clark etc and if we are that makes staying significantly less attractive

He could very easily get a massive payrise and it's not guaranteed he will be able to in the future. If he is 100% positive his great from is sustainable and down to being a fantastic talent then staying isn't much of a risk financially, however if he isn't 100% sure on this and if he thinks ccfc won't be able to keep up the great scoring record, that we might struggle in the winter, that we might lose his striking partner, that his own form may drop then it's possible he won't be a target for other clubs in the future. If he is at all unsure about his talent he should get the financial security from taking a massive pay rise and a 2 or 3 year contract.

I have no idea if he wants to leave, if sisu would sell, what the offer is if there is one, but if I were him and the payrise is significant and ccfc arn't willing to offer a contract that provides a big increase themselves then I would leave, it's the smart thing to do.

Those are all good reasons to go however, but your first point regarding they're expectations for the season, it has to be said the first two teams I expect to be promoted (and already have odds on) are P'boro and Brentford, possibly at a push Wolves, however that then leaves 3 other spots in the play-offs, Bristol City will be looking for an immediate return and have a much stronger squad then Sheff Utd, as stated before I think Wolves could be in the Play-Off's they have a strong enough squad to get out of this League, Leigh Griffiths, Bakary Sako and Zeli Ismail should they stay beyond on the window should be enough to get them in the play-offs with their squad. After that you are talking at least seven teams who are well equipped (albeit they all get through this current window) to go up and I do see Sheff Utd in that seven and ourselves, but I think there is more chance of someone else sneaking a spot than Sheff Utd.

Okay for this league that will be the biggest attendances you'll see however coming with that means a change of pressure, Callum Wilson has only just started to become a first team regular, is 21 and has only just started scoring goals consistently (Albeit we are talking about within five games of the new season) do you think he will;

a) Move to Sheff Utd and sit on there bench?
b) Be able to deal with a pressure in front of that big a following most weeks?

Albeit Sheffield might be a better place to live however at the moment Callum is playing for his hometown club, his friends from Childhood are in the same team as Callum and a move away at that age could unsettle a player.

The loss of other players is based on speculation, not concrete, however I think any from the likes of Ipswich would be dependant on whether Aaron Cresswell leaves and I have heard Mick McCarthy say he is not interested in selling him as they feel they have a play-off push in there sights.

Yes he could get a massive payrise from what he is on here.

More reasons he might not want to leave;

Pressley has Callum in his plans no doubt, however you have to say from what I have seen so far SP has kept the players in the right manner, expect this situation (shoudl it happen) to be the same, Callum has been in fine form but has the partner that has so far helped him every step of the way which is a big reason as to his five goals already this season.

Callum as good as I have seen so far is still unproven at 21 and for a club like Sheffield United they are going to want someone who can make an impact.

I have no doubt that Callum is a good player however at this time I doubt he will see any move where he can be promised consistent First Team Football as a step in the right direction.
 

Skyblueweeman

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I'd be disappointed if Wilson goes, particularly as he's been glowing about SP in the press recently.

That said, it happens. We deal with it, move on and get replacements. McGoldrick went, Clarke came in.

And I don't subscribe to people whingeing that 'Cov are a selling club and we should expect him to go'. Maybe he will, maybe he wont. Every club in the world sells their best players if the right package is offered. Man Utd sold Ronaldo, Spurs will probably sell Bale, Blackburn sold Shearer, Crewe sold countless players as did Coventry.

That's a fact of football I'm afraid, if your players and manager are doing well, other clubs will look at them. We wouldn't be any different if we had a penny to our name.

Hopefully he won't jump ship at this juncture though. I suspect this is rubbish and he'll be here until the end of the season.

WM
 

RoboCCFC90

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Bookies make mistakes.. I can't see them getting promoted. Play-off spot perhaps, but promotion, no.

If that's the case that you feel our owners might feel Callum is unproven, why would Sheffield United take that punt?

Maybe I was a little OTT on the last point, SISU are without a doubt running in the award for "Worst Run Professional Football Club" however my point regarding this is they have had a dramatic fall Sheffield United, however there problems aren't as documented as ours or in the spotlight. Just because things are silent on that front don't assume that everything is rosey.
 

RoboCCFC90

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didn't sisu try and sell ? Connor Thomas after 1 game, Birmingham in the cup i think.

He was loaned to Liverpool because they wanted to see if he had the poential that is hype was stating, Connor then got injured and returned to us the end of that season. It's obvious that Liverpool had done there homework before then, a club that size would be stupid not too!
 

Noggin

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Those are all good reasons to go however, but your first point regarding they're expectations for the season, it has to be said the first two teams I expect to be promoted (and already have odds on) are P'boro and Brentford, possibly at a push Wolves, however that then leaves 3 other spots in the play-offs, Bristol City will be looking for an immediate return and have a much stronger squad then Sheff Utd, as stated before I think Wolves could be in the Play-Off's they have a strong enough squad to get out of this League, Leigh Griffiths, Bakary Sako and Zeli Ismail should they stay beyond on the window should be enough to get them in the play-offs with their squad. After that you are talking at least seven teams who are well equipped (albeit they all get through this current window) to go up and I do see Sheff Utd in that seven and ourselves, but I think there is more chance of someone else sneaking a spot than Sheff Utd.

Okay for this league that will be the biggest attendances you'll see however coming with that means a change of pressure, Callum Wilson has only just started to become a first team regular, is 21 and has only just started scoring goals consistently (Albeit we are talking about within five games of the new season) do you think he will;

a) Move to Sheff Utd and sit on there bench?
b) Be able to deal with a pressure in front of that big a following most weeks?

Albeit Sheffield might be a better place to live however at the moment Callum is playing for his hometown club, his friends from Childhood are in the same team as Callum and a move away at that age could unsettle a player.

The loss of other players is based on speculation, not concrete, however I think any from the likes of Ipswich would be dependant on whether Aaron Cresswell leaves and I have heard Mick McCarthy say he is not interested in selling him as they feel they have a play-off push in there sights.

Yes he could get a massive payrise from what he is on here.

More reasons he might not want to leave;

Pressley has Callum in his plans no doubt, however you have to say from what I have seen so far SP has kept the players in the right manner, expect this situation (shoudl it happen) to be the same, Callum has been in fine form but has the partner that has so far helped him every step of the way which is a big reason as to his five goals already this season.

Callum as good as I have seen so far is still unproven at 21 and for a club like Sheffield United they are going to want someone who can make an impact.

I have no doubt that Callum is a good player however at this time I doubt he will see any move where he can be promised consistent First Team Football as a step in the right direction.

There are undoubtedly good reasons to stay, friends, family, being split from the striking partner could easily damage form, loyalty, more chance of regular games (it's not for sure though it could be clark/manset). But I wasn't trying to produce a balanced argument for going or staying because there are too many things I don't know to do this fairly, I was responding to your comment about not seeing the attraction and showing actually there is a hell of alot of attraction.

If he is at all unsure though about his form or ccfc's form being overporforming then the safe option is to leave if there is a massive wage increase on offer with no attempt to sweeten the deal here. Our start has people understandably excited and maybe we will tighten up at the back and become promotion contenders but it really is very significantly more likely that it will all fall apart and the season could be a disaster.

With us 40-1 to get promoted if you really believe there is any reasonable chance at all, even if it's a 10% chance you should be putting a very large bet on us whatever you can afford to lose.
 

RoboCCFC90

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There are undoubtedly good reasons to stay, friends, family, being split from the striking partner could easily damage form, loyalty, more chance of regular games (it's not for sure though it could be clark/manset). But I wasn't trying to produce a balanced argument for going or staying because there are too many things I don't know to do this fairly, I was responding to your comment about not seeing the attraction and showing actually there is a hell of alot of attraction.

If he is at all unsure though about his form or ccfc's form being overporforming then the safe option is to leave if there is a massive wage increase on offer with no attempt to sweeten the deal here. Our start has people understandably excited and maybe we will tighten up at the back and become promotion contenders but it really is very significantly more likely that it will all fall apart and the season could be a disaster.

With us 40-1 to get promoted if you really believe there is any reasonable chance at all, even if it's a 10% chance you should be putting a very large bet on us whatever you can afford to lose.

I think I might to be honest is 40-1 the best odds we can find at the moment?
 

CarpyCov84

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He was loaned to Liverpool because they wanted to see if he had the poential that is hype was stating, Connor then got injured and returned to us the end of that season. It's obvious that Liverpool had done there homework before then, a club that size would be stupid not too!

Liverpool didn't want him
 

shmmeee

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What worries me isn't this story particularly, but that its the start of the same old story.

Player in form. Contract up at end of season. "We'll get to negotiations". Christmas rolls around, still no contract. "We can't stop his head bein turned". "We don't want to lose him for nothing". Still no contract. "We have a wage cap we will not break. We cannot compete with some clubs wage structure". Player goes for free in the summer.
 

Noggin

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Bookies make mistakes.. I can't see them getting promoted. Play-off spot perhaps, but promotion, no.

Of course they do, but if they think we are 40-1 and them 6-1 to get promoted it's a very good indication that they are more likely to get promoted than us. I know they make mistakes, I have £100 on us to get relegated at 7-1. Not because I especially thought we were going to get relegated I thought it was about 60-40 towards staying up when I made the bet, but that I thought we were much more likely than 7-1 to get relegated. Fortunatly (other than for my bank balance) we've started very well and I think we are alot less likely to get relegated now, however even with the start we've had 7-1 is bloody good odds.

If that's the case that you feel our owners might feel Callum is unproven, why would Sheffield United take that punt?

I'm not argueing that Sheffield UTD should buy him in the slightest, I have zero knowledge about player potential and talent, my gut feeling is he and the team are seriously over performing which is why if I were him and were offered a big wage I'd take the safe, secure option and take the money. If the talent is there you shouldn't have done yourself any harm, if the talent isn't there you've done yourself a massive favour.

Maybe I was a little OTT on the last point, SISU are without a doubt running in the award for "Worst Run Professional Football Club" however my point regarding this is they have had a dramatic fall Sheffield United, however there problems aren't as documented as ours or in the spotlight. Just because things are silent on that front don't assume that everything is rosey.

I'm not assuming all is rosey, just that Sheffield Utd is a much safer place to be than Coventry City for your security and financial future.
 

RoboCCFC90

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Liverpool didn't want him

Hence why he was taken on loan so they could get a closer look at him.. At some point they must have been interested.
 

Noggin

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I think I might to be honest is 40-1 the best odds we can find at the moment?

yes http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/league-1/promotion bet 365 have a look at the free bets you can get though at different places and remember to read the terms and conditions on those bets. You might find taking slightly worse odds and getting a big free bet is worth it.

I had £100 on CCFC to get relegated and was given a £100 free bet at paddy power, I put it on Murray to lose in the quarter final of wimbledon, again I didn't actually think he was going to lose that game, I thought he was big favourite in fact but the odds were 10-1 and there is no way that wasn't a smart bet especially as his back wasn't right. Came very close to winning a grand though he won 3 sets to 2 in the end.
 

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