I wonder how many free tickets they will give away next Sunday? (7 Viewers)

tuousis

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All I can say to this 'stupid' thread is, grow-up FGS!
Yet more NEGATIVES, when we should ALL be getting behind SP & his Staff & OUR fantastic young squad. IMHO!
At Northampton,I suppose.
 

Grappa

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WTF are you on about? Lots like yourself and Grendel asked thst question repeatedly, no matter how many times they were told no rent was charged.

It was also the consensus that the £20k meant about 8k, after costs and considering consessions. Noone was saying 10k, just "more like 10k than 5k", which is 100% accurate.

Does it ever occur to you, when you're making shit up to support your argument that maybe it's not as well constructed as you think?

Okay, let's say 8000 were there, average ticket price £4. That's £32k. Food and beverages let's say £2 per person, £16k. Not sure what parking would take, but you've got to be looking at takings for the day being above £50k. All speculation of course but I know these questions would be being asked if the evil Sisu had organised the day and less than half the takings had gone to charity. Thou shalt not question ACL.
 

Covstu

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so if your get free tickets and free travel, does that qualify under the 'not a penny more' campaign???
 

Noggin

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Okay, let's say 8000 were there, average ticket price £4. That's £32k. Food and beverages let's say £2 per person, £16k. Not sure what parking would take, but you've got to be looking at takings for the day being above £50k. All speculation of course but I know these questions would be being asked if the evil Sisu had organised the day and less than half the takings had gone to charity. Thou shalt not question ACL.

Average ticket price at £4 is fair but that won't be the average amount coming in, theTicketfactory are going to be taking a cut and probably a very significant one when the ticket price is so low, if they sell tickets without taking a least a pound a ticket each I'd be surprised.

It's extremely unlikely the average spend on food and drink is £2 per person, what percentage of people actually buy food and drink at the football? does the average family of 4 really buy everyone a rip off drink? or do they have a flask of coffee and a couple of bottles of coke in their bag? but even it was Fisher told us that they make 10% profit on food and beverage, so you are adding £16k to the takings but only £1600 to the money that would go to the charity.

Then you have whatever the policing costs are for a 8k person event and many other costs. Travel for the midlands team, they probably put food on for both teams etc

So even if the takings were 50k then profit of 20k still wouldn't be unreasonable.

None of us know the numbers but to try and suggest ACL half owned by a Coventry charity are going to try and fiddle a few thousand pounds (which is a tiny amount of money to them) out of a charity is ludicrous talk.
 
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letsallsingtogether

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Maybe they paid some of the players did the away team play for free?...




Average ticket price at £4 is fair but that won't be the average amount coming in, theTicketfactory are going to be taking a cut and probably a very significant one when the ticket price is so low, if they sell tickets without taking a least a pound a ticket each I'd be surprised.

It's extremely unlikely the average spend on food and drink is £2 per person, what percentage of people actually buy food and drink at the football? does the average family of 4 really buy everyone a rip off drink? or do they have a flask of coffee and a couple of bottles of coke in their bag? but even it was Fisher told us that they make 10% profit on food and beverage, so you are adding £16k to the takings but only £1600 to the money that would go to the charity.

Then you have whatever the policing costs are for a 8k person event and many other costs. Travel for the midlands team, they probably put food on for both teams etc

So even if the takings were 50k then profit of 20k still wouldn't be unreasonable.

None of us know the numbers but to try and suggest ACL half owned by a Coventry charity are going to try and fiddle a few thousand pounds (which is a tiny amount of money to them) out of a charity is ludicrous talk.
 

Grappa

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None of us know the numbers but to try and suggest ACL half owned by a Coventry charity are going to try and fiddle a few thousand pounds (which is a tiny amount of money to them) out of a charity is ludicrous talk.

Sorry, but where did I suggest that ACL were trying to fiddle a few thousand pounds? I am merely pointing out that they are a business too, not some benevolent, haloed force for good which is how they are often portrayed over here. Sisu are a mercenary bunch but ACL are given far too easy a ride IMO.
 

Noggin

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Sorry, but where did I suggest that ACL were trying to fiddle a few thousand pounds? I am merely pointing out that they are a business too, not some benevolent, haloed force for good which is how they are often portrayed over here. Sisu are a mercenary bunch but ACL are given far too easy a ride IMO.

They've said they charged no rent only costs, so either they are telling the truth (extremely likely) or they are lying and trying to fiddle a charity out of some money, what other options are there?
 

Ashdown1

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Be about a 1000 City fans, 300 locals and 300 Preston fans. Expect a gate below 2000 this time around. That will of course get terminally worse unless we continue to score boatloads of goals and people waiver !
 

Spionkop

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Ashdown, you won't be far off with that attendance figure.
It might even be less than 1,000 Coventry. Doubt very much the locals.
Colchester will be probably about 500 CCFC fans who've paid, the rest freebies and 250 away fans.
Keep it up City fans. Don't get suckered in. You'll be playing right into Sisu's hands if you do.
 

ecky

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Ashdown, you won't be far off with that attendance figure.
It might even be less than 1,000 Coventry. Doubt very much the locals.
Colchester will be probably about 500 CCFC fans who've paid, the rest freebies and 250 away fans.
Keep it up City fans. Don't get suckered in. You'll be playing right into Sisu's hands if you do.

Remember the child catcher out of chitty chitty bang bang? He enticed the kids out with the promise of free sweets and goodies!!!!!

Sisu will entice us with lots of free goodies, are you clever enough to see through them? ;)
 

deanocity3

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My nephews aged 11 and 9 and love their football,I took them the Ricoh last season they loved it,even though they are both man utd supporters.We went to see them yesterday where they live ,half a mile from Sixfields they now want me to take them to watch CCFC at sixfields.
Their mates have been given tickets via the local kids league in nothampton by CCFC.
I said I wouldn't take them due to work and the distance.If they get free tickets then I told them they should go with their mum.
wonder how more local kids are going for free
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

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I've always thought that it was a great idea to give kids free tickets - get them young and all that.

As was posted earlier, what makes it slightly different in the context of debates about Sixfield's attendances, is that because the total attendance is so low - the proportion of free tickets becomes much higher and is so of increased relevance when trying to work out how many paying fans there are.
 

Johnnythespider

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If i'm offered a free ticket i'll have no problem not going, however if it comes with a large bar of Cadbury's sensations i'm in trouble, Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Chooooooooooooooooooooocoooooooooooooooooolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate
 

shmmeee

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They've said they charged no rent only costs, so either they are telling the truth (extremely likely) or they are lying and trying to fiddle a charity out of some money, what other options are there?

Small point of order. Its the FPA he's accusing of lying as they said it was free rent.

This "yeah but what about ACL" crap is getting tiresome to the point of trolling. At every point they've shown themselves to be open, honest and concerned about the interests of the City, yet some treat every move with suspicion and vague comments about 'PR'.

The most damning thing you can say is that they didn't offer the club what they wanted when they made brief attempts at negotiation. However, when the shit hit the fan they moved from £1.3m to £150k. The owners of CCFC have refused to buy back the shares they are entitled to that would make them equal partners despite having had the cash for years (even going back to McGinnity: at that point it would've cost about 1.2 Lee Hughes').
 

Ashdown1

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My nephews aged 11 and 9 and love their football,I took them the Ricoh last season they loved it,even though they are both man utd supporters.We went to see them yesterday where they live ,half a mile from Sixfields they now want me to take them to watch CCFC at sixfields.
Their mates have been given tickets via the local kids league in nothampton by CCFC.
I said I wouldn't take them due to work and the distance.If they get free tickets then I told them they should go with their mum.
wonder how more local kids are going for free

That would really piss me off if I was a Northampton supporter !!
 

Grappa

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Small point of order. Its the FPA he's accusing of lying as they said it was free rent.

This "yeah but what about ACL" crap is getting tiresome to the point of trolling. At every point they've shown themselves to be open, honest and concerned about the interests of the City, yet some treat every move with suspicion and vague comments about 'PR'.

The most damning thing you can say is that they didn't offer the club what they wanted when they made brief attempts at negotiation. However, when the shit hit the fan they moved from £1.3m to £150k. The owners of CCFC have refused to buy back the shares they are entitled to that would make them equal partners despite having had the cash for years (even going back to McGinnity: at that point it would've cost about 1.2 Lee Hughes').

I didn't accuse anyone of lying so you really must stop making stuff up to support your arguments. If I accept your assertion that no rent was charged it then begs the question: what did ACL charge the best part of £30k for? If you disagree with my estimate then please tell me how much you think they took on the day and we can work from there.

They didn't move the rent down to £150k. They added that as a clause to the CVA along with the 10 year rolling contract. Administrator says 'sorry but you know you're not allowed to add clauses, go away and change your proposal'. A week later they returned with the same clauses attached, administrator again refuses to accept them, ACL decline CVA.
 

shmmeee

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That would really piss me off if I was a Northampton supporter !!


I certainly wouldn't be happy, I wonder if their Chairman factored the cost of losing supporters to us in his financial calculations? Fag packet maths gives me roughly £15k per supporter over a lifetime. They only need to lose 11 young fans before the project makes a loss, and that's before you include inflation.
 

shmmeee

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I didn't accuse anyone of lying so you really must stop making stuff up to support your arguments. If I accept your assertion that no rent was charged it then begs the question: what did ACL charge the best part of £30k for? If you disagree with my estimate then please tell me how much you think they took on the day and we can work from there.







They didn't move the rent down to £150k. They added that as a clause to the CVA along with the 10 year rolling contract. Administrator says 'sorry but you know you're not allowed to add clauses, go away and change your proposal'. A week later they returned with the same clauses attached, administrator again refuses to accept them, ACL decline CVA.



Not how PWKH calls it. Says the offer was outside the CVA as a last ditch attempt at stopping the whole thing. And has been explained repeatedly, the FLs rules on new owners insist on a 10 year deal. Even if they moved to The Stadium Of Joy after 3 years they could pay the remaining, and compo to Northampton, and STILL have been up financially than the route they took!

OK, firstly, again not my assertion, the FPA's. If you have an issue with it take it up with them. Lets take your figures.

Conservative estimates would put the concessions crowd at a third (more like a half IMO). To get £50k would mean a crowd of 11,300, could be right, again:your figures.

Thats more than the average CCFC gate last season. 'Costs' as defined by CCFC are over £10k per match. Add in the Ticketing costs and tax and you're looking at £20-25k. Thats a little short, but I'd challenge your assertion that there were almost 11.5k there.

If your point is they made money on pies, well yes. Not sure what that implies other than Compass aren't a charity.
 
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Ashdown1

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Absolutely I bet he never imagined that SISU Cobblers would actually come and try and poach their local supporters. Cardoza is another culpable wanker anyway, so I hope it winds him up !
 

mark82

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None of them are free though, if you have to pay for a 70 mile round trip.

That money doesn't go to SISU though. I might take a free ticket if offered, not sure. I miss it but I also support NOPM but a free ticket wouldn't give anything to SISU.
 

Grappa

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Not how PWKH calls it. Says the offer was outside the CVA as a last ditch attempt at stopping the whole thing.

Well you really do surprise me. OSB said differently a few days ago. Anyway, how much do you reckon they took on the day?
 

mark82

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I certainly wouldn't be happy, I wonder if their Chairman factored the cost of losing supporters to us in his financial calculations? Fag packet maths gives me roughly £15k per supporter over a lifetime. They only need to lose 11 young fans before the project makes a loss, and that's before you include inflation.

Maybe they would start a Not One Penny More until you return to Northampton campaign?
 

Ashdown1

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That money doesn't go to SISU though. I might take a free ticket if offered, not sure. I miss it but I also support NOPM but a free ticket wouldn't give anything to SISU.

If you go, you swell the crowd numbers, other City fans see this and think, oh everyone is caving in, I'm going as well ========SISU Victory !!! Club gone, probably for good !
 

blend

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I've just read through most of this thread (got bored on P5) what's the argument here then. Load of bollocks on both sides to be fair. Having said that i heard that there are 85,654,293 blades of grass on the pitch at the Ricoh, anyone want to argue that!!
 
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