Championship thread 25/26! (58 Viewers)

[Ccfcisparks]

They’ll end up in the play-offs and lose out, again.

Hopefully!

 

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[fernandopartridge]

The father was a decent owner and proved you can polish a turd
His son doesn't have a clue

No, they were already mortgaging future income before he died and their wage bill was growing out of control. He died in October 2018, their external debt at year end June 2019 was £55m. They'd committed to spend £90m on the new training ground / academy which in reality they could not afford.

 

[covcity4life]

In the long run I don't see why not,and I'm not advocating for them but I certainly don't want them to lose.

Are you mad?

They could win and overtake us in next game or two yet. Which means we are the second place team holding others off

We need then to drop pts it's as simple as that. Otherwise your saying I hope for a week where we gained on no one at all

 

[shmmeee]

Terrible owners do kill clubs, but so do transfer fees if you can't afford them or if you've paid well over the odds for the wrong players.

The latter often facilitated by the former admittedly.

Who has though? Maybe QPR who breached FFP but are very much still about as a Championship club. Maybe Fulham who are now established. Maybe Forest and Sunderland who it’s paid off for.

The far bigger risk is the one we’ve just taken: spending tens of millions we don’t have to get promoted. But that horse has bolted.

 

[shmmeee]

Have they got terrible owners? It was all good when they won the Prem and then spent a few years in the top half of it, later winning the FA cup too.
Their owners were never realistically going to be able to sell trying to compete for mid table post 2016.

Fair. Was more that’s why they’re in danger of relegation and terrible from a football finance perspective. But yeah even their overspending has paid off really.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Fair. Was more that’s why they’re in danger of relegation and terrible from a football finance perspective. But yeah even their overspending has paid off really.

Looking at it further I think they probably were guilty of over-doing it post 2016.

They spent £90m on their admittedly top class training ground, but did so at the same time as growing their wage bill exponentially. This led to them borrowing money from Macquarie first in 2018 and they have continued to roll that over since then.

 

[Ipad Boro]

Hopefully!

Don't know why either of you would hope for this, given that it's 6 less points you'd get in the Prem, but ok.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Don't know why either of you would hope for this, given that it's 6 less points you'd get in the Prem, but ok.

Depends if the hoodoo gets promoted with us

 

[Ipad Boro]

Its their cope for us beating them and outplaying them in the main games recently.

It prevents them accepting we are better than them, and they just put it down to superstition.

The two aren't mutually exclusive you know.

With the most recent game as an example, as it's easiest to remember, I can accept you got your tactics spot on against us and executed them better than we did, which in the main, along with the penalty (which was perfectly legit but one of those things) and us making a mistake with one of our CB starting selections, resulted in the win for you.

I also have a feeling that even without all of these things, we'd have then found another way to lose, involving an OG, Brynn having an absolute howler, a refereeing decison or whatever. It just transpired that with your approach to the game and sticking to the gameplan well, coupled with clinical finishing, that you didn't need that extra help.

 

[TomRad85]

I don't get the love in at all but i'd rather Boro than Ipswich and if in play offs i'd rather them than Southampton, Wrexham, Birmingham... If the season ended with either two parachute teams somehow going up or one parachute and one American wank stain team, that would be mildly disappointing. Ultimately i'd really love it if Millwall and Hull came up with us, largely because i think they'd both be terrible and we'd only have to find one existing Prem team to shit the bed to stay up.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

The two aren't mutually exclusive you know.

With the most recent game as an example, as it's easiest to remember, I can accept you got your tactics spot on against us and executed them better than we did, which in the main, along with the penalty (which was perfectly legit but one of those things) and us making a mistake with one of our CB starting selections, resulted in the win for you.

I also have a feeling that even without all of these things, we'd have then found another way to lose, involving an OG, Brynn having an absolute howler, a refereeing decison or whatever. It just transpired that with your approach to the game and sticking to the gameplan well, coupled with clinical finishing, that you didn't need that extra help.

No chance

 

[skybluecam]

Leicester have terrible owners who broke the rules and are getting punished for it. Sheff We’d have terrible owners. We had terrible owners. Terrible owners kill football clubs, transfer fees don’t.

You can trace back Leicester’s decline to those two final day losses when they could’ve had CL football. Win one of those and their fortune changes dramatically.

 

[Lamps]

Have they got terrible owners? It was all good when they won the Prem and then spent a few years in the top half of it, later winning the FA cup too.
Their owners were never realistically going to be able to sell trying to compete for mid table post 2016.

The ground now doesn't belong to Leicester. The training ground that costs them an absolute fortune to run doesn't belong to them either. They now belong to the owning group. They put someone who is clueless in charge and he is still there. They signed poor players for the Prem on massive wages without a clause on them reducing on relegation and are even poor in the Championship. They have already spent all the money due to them from player sales and next seasons parachute payment and are looking good for League One next season.

I would class them as poor owners.

 

[skybluecam]

The two aren't mutually exclusive you know.

With the most recent game as an example, as it's easiest to remember, I can accept you got your tactics spot on against us and executed them better than we did, which in the main, along with the penalty (which was perfectly legit but one of those things) and us making a mistake with one of our CB starting selections, resulted in the win for you.

I also have a feeling that even without all of these things, we'd have then found another way to lose, involving an OG, Brynn having an absolute howler, a refereeing decison or whatever. It just transpired that with your approach to the game and sticking to the gameplan well, coupled with clinical finishing, that you didn't need that extra help.

“It didn’t matter that you were better than us because you would’ve won anyway”

Wot?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

“It didn’t matter that you were better than us because you would’ve won anyway”

Wot?

Its just cope.

 

[Ipad Boro]

Its just cope.

Except it's not.

Cope would be if we thought we played you off the park and that we'd have won comfortably if it wasn't for the hoodoo.

We know that wasn't the case.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Except it's not.

Cope would be if we thought we played you off the park and that we'd have won comfortably if it wasn't for the hoodoo.

We know that wasn't the case.

You just said even if we didnt play well we would have won.

Hoodoo is a load of nonsense and just coincidence.

 

[Shannerz]

Except it's not.

Cope would be if we thought we played you off the park and that we'd have won comfortably if it wasn't for the hoodoo.

We know that wasn't the case.

Please. There's no hoodoo.

Claiming there was is to take credit from our performance, suggesting it was something other than hard work, good tactics and good football. That sounds more like being salty than anything else. Moan that you have lost the last few against us all you like, but don't call it something that it's not.

The idea of hoodoos is complete bollocks. Sunderland hadn't beaten us in Coventry since 1983, until they did.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The ground now doesn't belong to Leicester. The training ground that costs them an absolute fortune to run doesn't belong to them either. They now belong to the owning group. They put someone who is clueless in charge and he is still there. They signed poor players for the Prem on massive wages without a clause on them reducing on relegation and are even poor in the Championship. They have already spent all the money due to them from player sales and next seasons parachute payment and are looking good for League One next season.

I would class them as poor owners.

Wrong. The ground and the training ground are owned by Leicester City Football Club Limited. The arrangement is no different in reality to what we now have with the CBS.

 

[Ipad Boro]

You just said even if we didnt play well we would have won.

Hoodoo is a load of nonsense and just coincidence.

Indeed I did. It's hardly a coping mechanism though as acknowledging you were the side with the better strategy and execution of it on the day isn't an issue. Only if it was would it then be a coping mechanism.

If coincidence as you claim, It's quite a mammoth coincidence though, don't you think?

7 games all going one way home and away, irrespective of different managers, different form, different players, different approaches, different positions in the league table, all the stuff that normally effects a game, etc. What would be the cumulative odds of THAT usually?

It's not even as if it's a derby game or there's any kind of rivalry to explain your performance levels raising especially for every one of those games either. Granted we've been fairly near each other in some of those games but not all. We're generally 2 clubs of similar size, with roughly the same history, who are nowhere near each other geographically.

 

[sc1940]

Before we beat Preston at home last year we hadn't beaten them in 22 league games home or away dating back to 2007, and we had only beaten them twice in a league game this century having played 35 games against them in various divisions.
I don't believe in hoodoos as such but you can't deny many of us said Preston are our bogey team.

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Don't know why either of you would hope for this, given that it's 6 less points you'd get in the Prem, but ok.

If its Millwall that come up instead we have a similar record maybe even better

 

[wingy]

Indeed I did. It's hardly a coping mechanism though as acknowledging you were the side with the better strategy and execution of it on the day isn't an issue. Only if it was would it then be a coping mechanism.

If coincidence as you claim, It's quite a mammoth coincidence though, don't you think?

7 games all going one way home and away, irrespective of different managers, different form, different players, different approaches, different positions in the league table, all the stuff that normally effects a game, etc. What would be the cumulative odds of THAT usually?

It's not even as if it's a derby game or there's any kind of rivalry to explain your performance levels raising especially for every one of those games either. Granted we've been fairly near each other in some of those games but not all. We're generally 2 clubs of similar size, with roughly the same history, who are nowhere near each other geographically.

Would you consider swapping the GK or is it even possible?

 

[Grendel]

Who has though? Maybe QPR who breached FFP but are very much still about as a Championship club. Maybe Fulham who are now established. Maybe Forest and Sunderland who it’s paid off for.

The far bigger risk is the one we’ve just taken: spending tens of millions we don’t have to get promoted. But that horse has bolted.

We do have the money as our players are far higher in terms of sell on value. Our losses really are paper losses only and could be recovered if they had to be

 

[Grendel]

The ground now doesn't belong to Leicester. The training ground that costs them an absolute fortune to run doesn't belong to them either. They now belong to the owning group. They put someone who is clueless in charge and he is still there. They signed poor players for the Prem on massive wages without a clause on them reducing on relegation and are even poor in the Championship. They have already spent all the money due to them from player sales and next seasons parachute payment and are looking good for League One next season.

I would class them as poor owners.

What owning group? It’s clearly theirs according to the submitted accounts?

 

[Briles]

Indeed I did. It's hardly a coping mechanism though as acknowledging you were the side with the better strategy and execution of it on the day isn't an issue. Only if it was would it then be a coping mechanism.

If coincidence as you claim, It's quite a mammoth coincidence though, don't you think?

7 games all going one way home and away, irrespective of different managers, different form, different players, different approaches, different positions in the league table, all the stuff that normally effects a game, etc. What would be the cumulative odds of THAT usually?

It's not even as if it's a derby game or there's any kind of rivalry to explain your performance levels raising especially for every one of those games either. Granted we've been fairly near each other in some of those games but not all. We're generally 2 clubs of similar size, with roughly the same history, who are nowhere near each other geographically.

If you flip a coin 9 times and it lands on heads each time, it is not more likely to land on tails on the 10th flip. What has gone before makes no difference. Thats why hoodoos are bollocks.

 

[Evo1883]

You just said even if we didnt play well we would have won.

Hoodoo is a load of nonsense and just coincidence.

I cant believe that after several trips to deepdale im sorry

 

[Grendel]

Indeed I did. It's hardly a coping mechanism though as acknowledging you were the side with the better strategy and execution of it on the day isn't an issue. Only if it was would it then be a coping mechanism.

If coincidence as you claim, It's quite a mammoth coincidence though, don't you think?

7 games all going one way home and away, irrespective of different managers, different form, different players, different approaches, different positions in the league table, all the stuff that normally effects a game, etc. What would be the cumulative odds of THAT usually?

It's not even as if it's a derby game or there's any kind of rivalry to explain your performance levels raising especially for every one of those games either. Granted we've been fairly near each other in some of those games but not all. We're generally 2 clubs of similar size, with roughly the same history, who are nowhere near each other geographically.

We didn’t beat Aston Villa at their ground I think for 60 years. Then we did. Strachan at the time said it’s just nonsense the players on the day weren’t good enough until one day they were

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Indeed I did. It's hardly a coping mechanism though as acknowledging you were the side with the better strategy and execution of it on the day isn't an issue. Only if it was would it then be a coping mechanism.

If coincidence as you claim, It's quite a mammoth coincidence though, don't you think?

7 games all going one way home and away, irrespective of different managers, different form, different players, different approaches, different positions in the league table, all the stuff that normally effects a game, etc. What would be the cumulative odds of THAT usually?

It's not even as if it's a derby game or there's any kind of rivalry to explain your performance levels raising especially for every one of those games either. Granted we've been fairly near each other in some of those games but not all. We're generally 2 clubs of similar size, with roughly the same history, who are nowhere near each other geographically.

Well going in reverse order:

3-1 (H) A whole week to prepare for a game against the side that’s just knocked you off the top after a long time sat on it. Evening game under the lights with a buoyant home crowd. No surprise we performed there.

4-2 (A) Away at second place and the incentive to go far ahead at the top, performance levels went up.

2-0 (H) A game we needed to win to guarantee playoffs against a side who also had to win to have a shout.

3-0 (A) Robins’ penultimate game in charge when he was having to win games to keep his job.

3-1 (A) Our best run of form in the 23/24 season.

3-0 (H) You were shite IIRC.

1-0 (A) A tight game settled only by a moment of quality from Hamer.

The other two games before this one were closely fought draws. There is no hoodoo and if you look game by game there were good reasons we had our tails up or they were actually explainable by the sorts of variations you get over a season.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Recruitment at that level of spending has to be spot on, no room for error really. Every signing is a risk so hope we stick to signing players that have good attitudes but are good enough to keep us up. It’ll be very hard

Correct, we cannot compete with the Man City's of this world, it comes down to having a good scouting system selecting the right players with the right attitude.

 

[alexccfc99]

Leicester have terrible owners who broke the rules and are getting punished for it. Sheff We’d have terrible owners. We had terrible owners. Terrible owners kill football clubs, transfer fees don’t.

The same owners that won them the Premier League etc.

No doubt they have lost their way massively since the father died, but to say they have been terrible owners just isn't true

The son inherited something in tragic circumstances, which he probably did not want yet (if at all) but felt obliged to try and continue his fathers work - Part of me feels sorry for him and I think some of their lot need to be a lot more human when they criticise him

 

[TomRad85]

We have a winning record but up until the recent burst of results over the last 3 years it was pretty much neck and neck, not enough to be considered a hoodoo at all...

 

[alexccfc99]

We have a winning record but up until the recent burst of results over the last 3 years it was pretty much neck and neck, not enough to be considered a hoodoo at all...
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It gets forgotten about now obviously, but our record on Teesside before the Play Off semi was actually pretty dire, we had never won a game The Riverside before that and hadn't won at Ayresome Park since the first season of the Premier League

 

[CrawleySkyBlue]

Wrong. The ground and the training ground are owned by Leicester City Football Club Limited. The arrangement is no different in reality to what we now have with the CBS.

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Regarding your comment on this, whilst I have no idea how Leicester are structured, your interpretation on CCFC's structure and ownership of the Arena is interesting. It depends on what you constitute the football club to be - Covcityco Ltd (parent co) or Coventry City Football Club Ltd. The club posted the accounts of Coventry City Football Club Ltd not Covcityco Ltd and the football club operations all sit within Coventry City Football Club Ltd.

Covcityco Ltd owns the 4 stadium companies, Coventry City Football Club Ltd does not. I do not anticipate the way the operations of the arena are structured to change, so I expect the 4 stadium companies will continue to exist as they did under Frasers. I also think the existing lease arrangement over the Arena will continue - with Coventry City Football Club Ltd continuing to lease the Arena from Opco (Coventry Arena Opco Ltd, one of the stadium companies acquired). Ultimately in the Covcityco Ltd Group financial statements the lease expenditure in Coventry City Football Club Ltd and lease income in Opco will eliminate, so no impact in the Group accounts. But i'd expect the lease costs in Coventry City Football Club Ltd to remain moving forwards. I could be wrong on this operational point - we will need next years accounts to confirm this, but the one thing that is definitely factual is that Covcityco Ltd owns the 4 stadium companies and Coventry City Football Club Ltd does not.

Ultimately DK owns both Covcityco Ltd and Coventry City Football Club Ltd (DK owns 90% of Covcityco Ltd, which in turn owns 100% of Coventry City Football Club Ltd). The other 10% of Covcityco Ltd is owned by RCMA Group PTE Ltd (which is a company in DK's investment management group of companies), so for DK basically owns 100% regardless.

So on the one hand the football club does own the Arena, but on the other hand it does not. It all depends on how DK views the set up.

 

[Ipad Boro]

We didn’t beat Aston Villa at their ground I think for 60 years. Then we did. Strachan at the time said it’s just nonsense the players on the day weren’t good enough until one day they were

Strachan also said the best of the best from Scottish football would be able to dominate the championship and was worth splurging a few years of parachute money on.

That went well.

It's not as if the game being a hoodoo takes anything away from your performance, as some posters on here seem to think. It's quite possible for you to perform out of your boots in said fixture nevertheless, which I think just about everyone acknowledged anyway.

Given though that there's 3 possible outcomes to a game and only one outcome has been reached in the past 7, the coin flip analogy is a decent one. The odds of those games all going the way they did with flipping a coin would be slightly greater (with it's 2 options) than flipping a coin 11 times and getting heads every single time, or 2,187:1.