Championship thread 25/26! (59 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Why don’t we just take the £200m, get relegated, take the parachute payments, use this year’s experience to reorganise and improve the squad further and get promoted again, but in a far better position to stay in the PL?

The alternative is to spend lots of money on ‘better’ players next season but with the strong possibility of still being relegated after one season but now with lots of debt. Just like we did when we previously spent 34 years in the top division.

 

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[Evo1883]

We have Milan on 8 with 2 games to watch.

We have KKH to bring in which cant be bad

 

[robbiethemole]

How many did he get against us?

not enough, the pervy fucker

 

[Evo1883]

Imagine where we’d be without those 4 wins

 

[Bristol sky blue]

Why don’t we just take the £200m, get relegated, take the parachute payments, use this year’s experience to reorganise and improve the squad further and get promoted again, but in a far better position to stay in the PL?

The alternative is to spend lots of money on ‘better’ players next season but with the strong possibility of still being relegated after one season but now with lots of debt. Just like we did when we previously spent 34 years in the top division.

Maybe we should pay off the £42.5 million we still owe for the stadium and have a set amount for transfer fees / agents fees / wages etc. which we are not prepared to smash to stay in the division? Don't know about interest payments on what we owe for stadium....

 

[Torquay Sky Blue]

I watched the Arsenal fans faces . I know the feeling...it's all relevant

 

[shmmeee]

Maybe we should pay off the £42.5 million we still owe for the stadium and have a set amount for transfer fees / agents fees / wages etc. which we are not prepared to smash to stay in the division? Don't know about interest payments on what we owe for stadium....

We lose money in this division. Wha are we even trying to do if not get to the PL and stay there? All back to L1 so the books look good? I genuinely don’t get it.

 

[Bristol sky blue]

We lose money in this division. Wha are we even trying to do if not get to the PL and stay there? All back to L1 so the books look good? I genuinely don’t get it.

You wouldn't.

 

[shmmeee]

You wouldn't.

Good one

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Why don’t we just take the £200m, get relegated, take the parachute payments, use this year’s experience to reorganise and improve the squad further and get promoted again, but in a far better position to stay in the PL?

The alternative is to spend lots of money on ‘better’ players next season but with the strong possibility of still being relegated after one season but now with lots of debt. Just like we did when we previously spent 34 years in the top division.

Or we could attract better players in the PL so let's sign the players then. Maybe they'd be good enough to keep us up and not have to go through the lottery of getting promotion again. Surely we've seen that coming back down with a shedload of money is not a guarantee you go back up.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Don’t ever bring inept data in front of the data dictator ever again

Dickdata was right there...

 

[CovRes]

So basically is Milan doesn’t get booked next game we can’t get anyone suspended?

Other than red cards or post match action as with BTA.

 

[skybluelee]

Oldboyskyblue has just posted on the Middlesbrough forum the following:

"Win tomorrow, and I really hope you do , things will look a lot brighter"

In what world would any Coventry City fan be hoping Middlesbrough win tomorrow? Utter woke nonsense.

 

[robbiethemole]

ffs!!! wetarsed 'Cov' fans hoping a rival wins???? name and shame the fucker

 

[SkyBlueStallion_89]

ffs!!! wetarsed 'Cov' fans hoping a rival wins???? name and shame the fucker

Think his full username is:
Oldboyskybluesucksoffborofans

Why that person is hoping Boro win is ridiculous, I don't like Brum but I hope they beat Boro tomorrow night, the headloss would be epic

 

[SkyblueTexan]

Why don’t we just take the £200m, get relegated, take the parachute payments, use this year’s experience to reorganise and improve the squad further and get promoted again, but in a far better position to stay in the PL?

The alternative is to spend lots of money on ‘better’ players next season but with the strong possibility of still being relegated after one season but now with lots of debt. Just like we did when we previously spent 34 years in the top division.

Think this was already answered. But going back up to the PL after being relegated is a given as we have seen from the likes of Sheff Utd, Leicester, Luton etc. as well as Soton (who I think will miss the playoffs).

 

[wingy]

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Oldboyskyblue has just posted on the Middlesbrough forum the following:

"Win tomorrow, and I really hope you do , things will look a lot brighter"

In what world would any Coventry City fan be hoping Middlesbrough win tomorrow? Utter woke nonsense.

The bigger picture I'd assume?

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

When people talk about going up and facing teams they talk is about Arsenal Mac city or Liverpool ,Staying up is not about getting results against these teams anything you get against them is a bonus.You have to make sure you have a team strong enough to mix it with the rest of the Premier League.I feel sure FL will give us a team we'll need to do that.
Enjoy the ride.

 

[Lamps]

Or we could attract better players in the PL so let's sign the players then. Maybe they'd be good enough to keep us up and not have to go through the lottery of getting promotion again. Surely we've seen that coming back down with a shedload of money is not a guarantee you go back up.

There's a fine line between coming back down in a better financial position and with a better squad. You need a better squad to go back up, but if the wage bill is too high you have to sell and start again.

I'm not saying don't give it a good go the first season up, but use up to 100m strengthening the squad added to our best players now. If you can keep these players together and get another promotion you have a valuable squad with another 100m to spend. Use this to bring in a few quality players to add to the already decent squad.

It only takes 1 season of getting it wrong to jeopardise your clubs future by spending the wrong way. I'd be happy to become a yo-yo club. I could see Lampard enjoying taking us as a project and seeing it through. He loves it at our club and knows he has one of the safest jobs in management. How many football clubs is there that are only on their second manager in nearly 10 years? He spent about 12 years as a player for Chelsea.

 

[Lamps]

When people talk about going up and facing teams they talk is about Arsenal Mac city or Liverpool ,Staying up is not about getting results against these teams anything you get against them is a bonus.You have to make sure you have a team strong enough to mix it with the rest of the Premier League.I feel sure FL will give us a team we'll need to do that.
Enjoy the ride.

I'm all ready to enjoy getting beat 4-0 frequently 🫣

 

[clint van damme]

Good one

He's right though.
Loads of clubs have spent fortunes trying to stay there and failed.
If you think it's the way to go, then fine. But let's not pretend it gives any guarantees.

If there was a guaranteed formula for staying up, no one would come back down.

I think Ipswich will come up this season, but if they don't, 126mil for 1 season in the PL.

 

[shmmeee]

He's right though.
Loads of clubs have spent fortunes trying to stay there and failed.
If you think it's the way to go, then fine. But let's not pretend it gives any guarantees.

If there was a guaranteed formula for staying up, no one would come back down.

I think Ipswich will come up this season, but if they don't, 126mil for 1 season in the PL.

Who said anything about guarantees? He’s talking about aiming for relegation FFS. We will lose money at this level. And look at Leicester and Luton, there’s no guarantee of success post relegation. If all you care about is minimising losses we should have stayed in L1 playing in Northampton. Because this club is only sustainable in a smaller ground with much lower wages or in the PL. so if you don’t want the latter and you don’t want to lose money, you’re advocating for that. So no, he and you are not right actually.

 

[Sick Boy]

Fuck em, they are just massive bedwetters because their team have Millwall and Ipswich breathing down their necks, they were certain they'd come to the CBS and win convincingly, they thought they'd get maximum points at home from Oxford an Leicester but didn't where as we've kicked on again.

Let them think what they want an say what they want, as long as we keep doing what we're doing then that's all that matters, 8 points clear of them is massive and hopefully they lose Monday and the headloss on their forum will be hilarious (even tho I'd love to see the inbreds lose) it's worth them winning to see the meltdown on boro's match thread

After their win at Sheff Utd they were singing “we are Premier League”.

 

[Sick Boy]

I think we are best suited as we can do the passing style and the dogged style which you guys can’t do.

I think you have a good chance in the playoffs though

They’re still going on like they’re the best side the league has ever seen.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

After their win at Sheff Utd they were singing “we are Premier League”.

Still time for things to change
Cautious optimism is now allowed

 

[clint van damme]

Who said anything about guarantees? He’s talking about aiming for relegation FFS. We will lose money at this level. And look at Leicester and Luton, there’s no guarantee of success post relegation. If all you care about is minimising losses we should have stayed in L1 playing in Northampton. Because this club is only sustainable in a smaller ground with much lower wages or in the PL. so if you don’t want the latter and you don’t want to lose money, you’re advocating for that. So no, he and you are not right actually.

I meant he was right about you not getting it.
And he was right.
Teams have stayed up without Mackemesque levels of spe ding, teams have gone straight back down with Mackemesque levels of spending.

You talk as if throwing 150mil at it is guarantees you stay up, it doesn't.
And wreckless spending is what got us our first spell in the 3rd tier for decades in 2012 so you're actually advocating for a return there far more than I am.

 

[David O'Day]

I meant he was right about you not getting it.
And he was right.
Teams have stayed up without Mackemesque levels of spe ding, teams have gone straight back down with Mackemesque levels of spending.

You talk as if throwing 150mil at it is guarantees you stay up, it doesn't.
And wreckless spending is what got us our first spell in the 3rd tier for decades in 2012 so you're actually advocating for a return there far more than I am.

Here's Ipswich's transfers:

Ipswich Town - Transfers 24/25

Transfers: Overview of all signed and sold players of club Ipswich for the current season.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

They dropped loads and as you said they didn't stay up and may not even get promoted this year

 

[clint van damme]

Here's Ipswich's transfers:

Ipswich Town - Transfers 24/25

Transfers: Overview of all signed and sold players of club Ipswich for the current season.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

They dropped loads and as you said they didn't stay up and may not even get promoted this year

It's a minefield, don't spend, pretty much guaranteed to go down.
Spend big and fuck it up and it's another death by a thousand cuts until you end up, at best, struggling in the Championship.

 

[procdoc]

It's a minefield, don't spend, pretty much guaranteed to go down.
Spend big and fuck it up and it's another death by a thousand cuts until you end up, at best, struggling in the Championship.

Recruitment at that level of spending has to be spot on, no room for error really. Every signing is a risk so hope we stick to signing players that have good attitudes but are good enough to keep us up. It’ll be very hard

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's a minefield, don't spend, pretty much guaranteed to go down.
Spend big and fuck it up and it's another death by a thousand cuts until you end up, at best, struggling in the Championship.

The magic number is something that allows you to have a fair go at staying up with enough saved over as insurance if you don’t. As I’ve said before though, there’s a big question mark over King himself. If he sells up to someone with deeper pockets that changes the equation somewhat.

 

[clint van damme]

The magic number is something that allows you to have a fair go at staying up with enough saved over as insurance if you don’t. As I’ve said before though, there’s a big question mark over King himself. If he sells up to someone with deeper pockets that changes the equation somewhat.

Agree about King.
He's not that wealthy in football terms, I can see him selling while the goings good.

 

[CovRes]

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The bigger picture I'd assume?

It's 6 points. Why wouldn't we want them to go up with us.

 

[shmmeee]

I meant he was right about you not getting it.
And he was right.
Teams have stayed up without Mackemesque levels of spe ding, teams have gone straight back down with Mackemesque levels of spending.

You talk as if throwing 150mil at it is guarantees you stay up, it doesn't.
And wreckless spending is what got us our first spell in the 3rd tier for decades in 2012 so you're actually advocating for a return there far more than I am.

Again who is talking about guarantees? Just getting angry at a person you’ve made up in your head.

No reckless spending don’t get us where we were. Poor management did regardless of spending.

Again. We lose tens of millions a season at this level. The income does not match expenditure required, to afford the stadium we have we need the revenue from the PL. thre is no safety sitting in the Championship, you will need to try and get out of it. The danger with the proposed strategy of “spend half the cash on the stadium” is nicely demonstrated by Luton who are in L1 with PL contracts right now.

Ironically for your position a madcap obsession with the stadium has cost this club far more than any transfer fee has.

 

[skybluelee]

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The bigger picture I'd assume?

Ah yes the bigger picture of reducing our promotion chances.

 

[clint van damme]

Again who is talking about guarantees? Just getting angry at a person you’ve made up in your head.

No reckless spending don’t get us where we were. Poor management did regardless of spending.

Again. We lose tens of millions a season at this level. The income does not match expenditure required, to afford the stadium we have we need the revenue from the PL. thre is no safety sitting in the Championship, you will need to try and get out of it. The danger with the proposed strategy of “spend half the cash on the stadium” is nicely demonstrated by Luton who are in L1 with PL contracts right now.

Ironically for your position a madcap obsession with the stadium has cost this club far more than any transfer fee has.

Trust me, I'm not angry. Ridiculous thing to say.

And 'madcap position on the stadium' just shows you've learned absolutely nothing from the last 20 odd years.