Frank (15 Viewers)

[Cally Fedora]

Don't know how he thought we'd win tonight playing like this

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Come on. That’s ridiculous. Dasilva and Torp were much further forward

 

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[Winny the Bish]

What do the coaching staff do in training? It's becoming like ground hog day away from home

Joe Edwards said on Friday that Lampard is always thinking about how the team can improve, but apparently none of those thoughts have been "be tighter at the back". Beggars belief.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Come on. That’s ridiculous. Dasilva and Torp were much further forward

You're right to be fair, was more like this

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

He needs to change the way we play away from home, that's obvious.
We won't pick ip many more points on the road if we keep setting up like tonight.

Well, we should’ve scored 1 of the 2 big chances we had before they scored…

All the complaints about the midfield and so on isn’t what lost us the game. Thomas gets caught flat footed for their first and Kitching loses the ball with an unforced error in a suicidal position.

We need a player like Onyeka playing as we do. Torp did well winning ball high up the pitch for the first half, didn’t have the intensity for full 90. BTA also struggled to link play and thought we lost control (or lack thereof) when we were in the ascendancy.

 

[Winny the Bish]

5 going forward. 5 available to stop the counter. Brb emailing this to [email protected]

 

[2024/25 League 1 Champs?]

A huge issue is that our fullbacks act like wingbacks but we don't play 3 at the back

So Grimes comes deep and shields the back two which would be fine if we had someone doing midfield busy work

Torp is too forward facing to do it, Eccles looks overwhelmed when asked to do it for 90 minutes

Torp going too far forward sits on the toes of the 10 so they end up drifting wide for space which then is crowded because you end up with a winger, a wingback and a 10

The defence can then concentrate on defending the penalty area with an overload.

The solution is to get a midfielder signed sealed and delivered ASAP that you can trust to knit together Grimes and the 10 by contributing defensively with tackles and interceptions but also having the ability to pick a pass instead of getting drawn into space. All that while being an imposing presence in the centre.

His name is Frank Onyeka and we need to open the cheque book and do what's needed.

Ben Sheaf?

 

[SBT]

Hmmm

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well, we should’ve scored 1 of the 2 big chances we had before they scored…

All the complaints about the midfield and so on isn’t what lost us the game. Thomas gets caught flat footed for their first and Kitching loses the ball with an unforced error in a suicidal position.

We need a player like Onyeka playing as we do. Torp did well winning ball high up the pitch for the first half, didn’t have the intensity for full 90. BTA also struggled to link play and thought we lost control (or lack thereof) when we were in the ascendancy.

It’s strange. Away at Boro we switched to a 5 and put MVE in at CB, and it did a lot to neutralise the threat. I was pretty impressed that we’d anticipated that and had an answer prepared.

Basically not seen it since and instead just flogging the same horse with this formation and increasingly tired legs. There is no pragmatism going into these match tactics, instead it looks extremely naive.

 

[2024/25 League 1 Champs?]

Well, we should’ve scored 1 of the 2 big chances we had before they scored…

All the complaints about the midfield and so on isn’t what lost us the game. Thomas gets caught flat footed for their first and Kitching loses the ball with an unforced error in a suicidal position.

We need a player like Onyeka playing as we do. Torp did well winning ball high up the pitch for the first half, didn’t have the intensity for full 90. BTA also struggled to link play and thought we lost control (or lack thereof) when we were in the ascendancy.

Torp is more of an option at 10 in this system, in my opinion, and not a player to play alongside Grimes in games you’re going to get overrun or countered…

Hamer can do the job there, with a bit more creativity than Grimes, Sheaf would’ve been ideal, and yeah Onyeka sounds like a solution.

The only issue I have is Grimes severely lacks pace, and we could do with a player there with stamina and pace to cover as they will get through a hell of a lot of work between now and the end of the season

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It’s strange. Away at Boro we switched to a 5 and put MVE in at CB, and it did a lot to neutralise the threat. I was pretty impressed that we’d anticipated that and had an answer prepared.

Basically not seen it since and instead just flogging the same horse with this formation and increasingly tired legs. There is no pragmatism going into these match tactics, instead it looks extremely naive.

For a bit of balance, we created 3 big chances in the second and 2 of those came at 1-1 (Haji and EMC). You can’t miss that many chances and not be punished.

At 1-1, we were the more likely to score and if you’re going to gift a goal as Kitching did, you won’t win many games in this division. At 2-1 down at 67 minutes, the opposition can just lockdown.

There are tactical tweaks needed but in put perspective, Norwich scored their chances, we didn’t and that’s the difference.

 

[larry_david]

Worryingly ever single manager and team will have seem tonight and previous matches and know what theyre doing

First 10 mins Norwich were laughable. Slicing clearances into their own box etc. But the SECOND they found that massive gap in midfield, you could just see them know the game plan would work.

I'm still angry and baffled that FL has a team set up like that away from home

 

[fernandopartridge]

Structurally we’re a mess in all departments at the moment. The midfield issue is well trodden but how many times do we lose first contact at an attacking set piece and the opposition are away? How many times do we let wide players just run into the box unchallenged?

Same with the long throws, we throw them into the part of the box where one touch can bring the opposition away.

 

[larry_david]

Same with the long throws, we throw them into the part of the box where one touch can bring the opposition away.

Our reliance on long throw every. Single. Time. Is embarrassing as well

 

[Cally Fedora]

Ben Sheaf?

You’ll have Procdoc onto you for such scurrilous suggestions. Did you not know we had Torp???

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Torp is more of an option at 10 in this system, in my opinion, and not a player to play alongside Grimes in games you’re going to get overrun or countered…

Hamer can do the job there, with a bit more creativity than Grimes, Sheaf would’ve been ideal, and yeah Onyeka sounds like a solution.

The only issue I have is Grimes severely lacks pace, and we could do with a player there with stamina and pace to cover as they will get through a hell of a lot of work between now and the end of the season

22/23 Hamer, yes. 25/26 Hamer, no. He’d be suited to where BTA was today.

Grimes will struggle in the Prem if we get there. He’s struggled against the more physical teams in this league.

 

[Adge]

For a bit of balance, we created 3 big chances in the second and 2 of those came at 1-1 (Haji and EMC). You can’t miss that many chances and not be punished.

At 1-1, we were the more likely to score and if you’re going to gift a goal as Kitching did, you won’t win many games in this division. At 2-1 down at 67 minutes, the opposition can just lockdown.

There are tactical tweaks needed but in put perspective, Norwich scored their chances, we didn’t and that’s the difference.

Yep-earlier on in the season every shot we had was ending up as a goal most of the time. Slightly different now though. 🫤

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

22/23 Hamer, yes. 25/26 Hamer, no. He’d be suited to where BTA was today.

Grimes will struggle in the Prem if we get there. He’s struggled against the more physical teams in this league.

He’s struggling now through being criminally overexposed.

This is the footballing version of Bazball.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Yep-earlier on in the season every shot we had was ending up as a goal most of the time. Slightly different now though. 🫤

If we just take our chances, we win v PNE, Southampton, Charlton, Birmingham and Norwich. Of those games, we definitely should’ve won 2 or 3 of those.

Bar Southampton and Blues, all the other teams basically scored all their clear cut chances. It’s irritating.

 

[Shannerz]

Grimes will struggle in the Prem if we get there. He’s struggled against the more physical teams in this league.

Much as I like him, there's a reason why he's spent his career in the Championship.

 

[tom88]

Much as I like him, there's a reason why he's spent his career in the Championship.

Too slow for the prem

 

[Shannerz]

If we just take our chances, we win v PNE, Southampton, Charlton, Birmingham and Norwich. Of those games, we definitely should’ve won 2 or 3 of those.

Bar Southampton and Blues, all the other teams basically scored all their clear cut chances. It’s irritating.

Southampton aside, which had mitigating circumstances, we didn't deserve to win any of those games. PNE and Charlton should never have been allowed back into the game, and Birmingham didn't deserve anything themselves, but we haven't been hard done by in the amount of points that we got from those games.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

He’s struggling now through being criminally overexposed.

This is the footballing version of Bazball.

I don’t think it’s a personnel issue, it’s down to tactics. Too much space between Grimes-Torp-BTA/Eccles to connect play. Both in build up play and in the defensive structure.

To reiterate, those kind of counter attacks didn’t do us in though. The first goal was straight from KO and the second was Norwich latching onto a poor unforced error.

Those two goals weren’t linked to that specific tactic. Its down to individual errors which is somewhat uncontrollable, in particular Kitching’s error.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t think it’s a personnel issue, it’s down to tactics. Too much space between Grimes-Torp-BTA/Eccles to connect play. Both in build up play and in the defensive structure.

To reiterate, those kind of counter attacks didn’t do us in though. The first goal was straight from KO and the second was Norwich latching onto a poor unforced error.

Those two goals weren’t linked to that specific tactic. Its down to individual errors which is somewhat uncontrollable, in particular Kitching’s error.

The game was very open though, whether it’s the cause of goals or not it just looked reckless.

 

[StrettoBoy]

It's not as if our kamikaze style is bringing us a lot of goals. As I posted on the match thread we have scored 12 goals in our last 12 matches, including the FA cup, which is relegation form.

Unless something changes drastically, there is no way we are getting promoted.

 

[Shannerz]

Those two goals weren’t linked to that specific tactic. Its down to individual errors which is somewhat uncontrollable, in particular Kitching’s error.

In a sense they were, though, or certainly the winner. It was a panicked mistake, but a player will be panicked when they don't feel secure. A system that exposes centre-backs is going to make them nervous throughout the game, and that leads to errors, as we saw.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The game was very open though, whether it’s the cause of goals or not it just looked reckless.

Nonetheless, we created the better chances in both halves. That wasn’t the fundamental problem,

It’s just sloppy defending and individual errors costing us. When Lampard said we ‘gifted’ them the goals, that’s an accurate assessment imo. Tactically though, Lampard needs to take stock and perhaps adjustments need to be made.

 

[RegiswasGod]

Let's be honest; it's "one plan" Frank. He doesnt have a Plan B. If plan A works, happy days. If it doesn't, he looks like.he doesn't have a fucking clue.

Time to get on the blower to uncle Harry and mentor Jose

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Nonetheless, we created the better chances in both halves. That wasn’t the fundamental problem,

It’s just sloppy defending and individual errors costing us. When Lampard said we ‘gifted’ them the goals, that’s an accurate assessment imo. Tactically though, Lampard needs to take stock and perhaps adjustments need to be made.

Certainly at half time it was the moment to put another man in midfield and generally put the brakes on. He didn’t do it at Wrexham and didn’t do it here with the same outcome.

 

[Frostie]

You're right to be fair, was more like this

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Now push the backine up to halfway & you'd be about right.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

In a sense they were, though, or certainly the winner. It was a panicked mistake, but a player will be panicked when they don't feel secure. A system that exposes centre-backs is going to make them nervous throughout the game, and that leads to errors, as we saw.

Kitching miscontrolled a ball at his feet with plenty of time. It’s a basic mistake, he’ll be called out for it.

Certainly at half time it was the moment to put another man in midfield and generally put the brakes on. He didn’t do it at Wrexham and didn’t do it here with the same outcome.

I’d agree if we’d conceded 10-15m into the half, not after 40s. We literally didn’t have time to lose control.

 

[Skyblueabo1111]

Structurally we’re a mess in all departments at the moment. The midfield issue is well trodden but how many times do we lose first contact at an attacking set piece and the opposition are away? How many times do we let wide players just run into the box unchallenged?

This is just midfield, defence as well. We need 5 at the back, away from home, Wolf given a chance, with two tonight..He is 6 feet 4 inches.

 

[Shannerz]

Kitching miscontrolled a ball at his feet with plenty of time. It’s a basic mistake, he’ll be called out for it..

As he should be, but you can see why a system that exposes him is going to affect his game.

 

[Skyblueabo1111]

For a bit of balance, we created 3 big chances in the second and 2 of those came at 1-1 (Haji and EMC). You can’t miss that many chances and not be punished.

At 1-1, we were the more likely to score and if you’re going to gift a goal as Kitching did, you won’t win many games in this division. At 2-1 down at 67 minutes, the opposition can just lockdown.

There are tactical tweaks needed but in put perspective, Norwich scored their chances, we didn’t and that’s the difference.

Norwich could have been 3 up, at half time. Same as Leicester and Millwall.

 

[skybluecam]

Norwich could have been 3 up, at half time. Same as Leicester and Millwall.

Statistically we’ve created more chances than the oppo in all 3 matches.

 

[David O'Day]

5 going forward. 5 available to stop the counter. Brb emailing this to [email protected]

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As grimes likes to drop in to the back 3 in the build up phase it should be similar to that

but from front to back

Wright
EMC-BTA(orRudi)-Esse-MVE
JDS-Torp
Grimes-Kitching-Thomas
Rushworth

JDS has the technical ability to invert to a DM position when we have possesion.