Do you want to discuss boring politics? (17 Viewers)
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Sky Blue Pete
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Everyone is just a sheep
Grendel
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Especially those morons who dribble after Polanski
Sky Blue Pete
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No those who think Starmer is an enemy of the state, too left wing, too right wing, get their news off gb news and x and believe tha Farage is the answer
Those are the sheeple
Grendel
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We are living in an era where Zack Polanski gets 17% of the vote - it’s safe to say scrutiny of policy and integrity in politics is pretty low and silly sound bites win votes
Sky Blue Pete
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Let’s go with Farage then what’s the worst that can happen hey ffs
TomRad85
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Green party councillor arrested over alleged modern slavery offences
Sohail Asghar, a councillor who represents the Greens on Lancashire county council, was arrested in Accrington on November 6 after allegations of modern slavery and assault.
rob9872
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The problem is that the centre is fekked. If it became a straight shoot out between the extremes and that meant Farage and that nutcase, I dont think you'd like the result. If you’re not a pussy marching vegan, I simply dont see the appeal.
Tbh I can imagine this goes pretty hard if you’re 13 (sorry about the biased caption)
Grendel
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You miss the point
As George Galloway would say Polanski and Farage are two cheeks on the same backside.
Opportunists with zero integrity
SomersetSB
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The melon party- Green on the outside, red on the inner!!
rob9872
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I've just been reading about that weirdo who has been drugging and raping his wife over a long period and allowing other men to rape her too. 60+ offences, absolute scumbag and deserves whatever comes his way.
But ... this is where I get annoyed with politicising everything and I'd say the same whatever the side of politics he was. When I was growing up, I always had the tabloids were the gossips and the broadsheets whilst slightly left or right leaning, reported facts and were trusted sources.
The list of headlines had a number saying 'Husband and five other men charged with sex offences against ex-wife' until I get to the Guardian 'Former Tory Councillor in court accused of drugging and raping ex-wife'.
It's sensationalist trash to do nothing more than smear rather than report. They should be better than that. I'm not disputing he was a Tory Councillor either, just that it bears no weight on the horrific crime itself.
But ... this is where I get annoyed with politicising everything and I'd say the same whatever the side of politics he was. When I was growing up, I always had the tabloids were the gossips and the broadsheets whilst slightly left or right leaning, reported facts and were trusted sources.
The list of headlines had a number saying 'Husband and five other men charged with sex offences against ex-wife' until I get to the Guardian 'Former Tory Councillor in court accused of drugging and raping ex-wife'.
It's sensationalist trash to do nothing more than smear rather than report. They should be better than that. I'm not disputing he was a Tory Councillor either, just that it bears no weight on the horrific crime itself.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I’m sorry Rob, this looks a bit of a double standard when asylum seekers and any other ‘undesirables’ are smeared by the press when similar crimes are reported.
Sky Blue Pete
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It is double standards but Rob is right it doesn’t need politicising
Captain Dart
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Why on earth would you give credence to any politician.
Sky Blue Pete
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Better than anarchyWhy on earth would you give credence to any politician.
Mucca Mad Boys
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People don’t really think Farage is ‘the answer’, this is a line you keep parroting without really interrogating.
Zach Polanski’s Greens are experiencing a bump in the polls for the exact same reason as Farage and Reform. They are both filling a vacuum vacated by the Tories and Labour.
Immigration and the cost of living are number one and two issues reported in the polls so is it surprise parties focusing on immigration and economic populism (such as wealth taxes) are polling well?
Labour are following a wider trend of traditional centre-left parties across Europe; they’ve become gentrified and no longer understand the working class and how to raise their living standards. These last 2 Labour budgets demonstrate this very clearly.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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That is because they are massively overrepresented in certain crime statistics. There is a difference between not reporting that and sweeping it under the carpet versus naming the political leanings of a criminal in a case that has nothing to do with politics.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I’m on about headlines that focus on the religion or asylum status of the criminal. It’s done with exactly the same goal in mind.
rob9872
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If it was the Sun, Mail or Express etc I'd agree. I just expect (perhaps wrongly) better of the broadsheets.
chiefdave
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Are you referring to Tory councillors or immigrants here?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Immigrants.
fatso
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There needs to be a third "viable" option Pete, im not saying reform are the answer, but the answer sure as hell ain't another Labour or Tory government.
If reform do get in at the next election, it will be because the other parties have lost the trust of the people. Thats a damming indictment of modern day politicians.
Brighton Sky Blue
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It is. The pity is a genuine centre left government focused on the cost of living could have guaranteed power for a generation and seen off the likes of Reform at the same time.
fatso
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Or even a centre right government.
If you look at the direction of travel for politics in most English-speaking and European countries, not to mention the strong anti-incumbent feeling worldwide then I struggle to see how this would actually happen.
rob9872
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Would need to be a centre left party that head on tackles immigration. It might be arguable whether it should be, but I think it's the number one priority for a lot of voters. Anyone who looks like being interested is labelled racist and that solves nothing. Lots of the working population see themselves as working hard, not being rewarded, costs rising and put the blame on immigration. I think we know that's not all of the reason, but it's an easy soundbite and is a factor. Until we have sensible open conversation about it, mainstream politics is finished.
Captain Dart
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Does anarchy doesn't mean what you think it does?
It doesn't mean chaos it means no rulers to dictate to you.
Anyway most politicians are attracted to power for the wrong reasons, I despise them.
Okay would you say his stance on Palestine is the right way to take the country compared to the migrnt hotels etc?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Centre right governments advocate for policies that exacerbate rather than solve these problems in my opinion.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I really think you could divide up the different ‘sides’ of the electorate into those who blame immigration for this and those who don’t.
Mucca Mad Boys
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You say that, but what policies would do this in your view?
You can measure how Labour’s anti-business policies have backfired on ‘working people’… private sector redundancies and unemployment is increasing.
Likewise, tax rises and inflation directly impact the money in people’s pockets and their spending power. Again, things get worse.
rob9872
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90% probably. I imagine there are a number who see it as a factor without being the only reason.
Out of interest (and I'm not picking a fight as I finish here in 30 minutes
) where do you sit? I mean I know of course you're pro-immigration, but do you believe it's in any way to blame for where we're at and plays at least a part in the issues we have currently?