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blunted

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There will be a few prem clubs who want him in January, tbh which we're prepared for. According to transfermkt he's now the most valuable player in the championship and has stepped up his game even further this campaign.
There's very strong rumours that Palace and Leeds are also interested and we're sure that Wolves would want him too if they could actually afford him, though he'd tell them to go bol1ocks as they're a Prem club in only name right now.

The underlying fact here is we're not in a position where we have to sell to buy, like yourselves we've made quite a bit of cash on outgoing players in the last couple of years (Morgan Rogers, Latte Lath, Van den Berg and Finn Azaz being the first 4 that come to mind along with others, Akpom and Djed Spence were further back, but add on clauses have kept more money rolling in for them. Not forgetting of course the almost 4M from Wolves for taking the Rat off our hands, small in comparison to the tranfer fees for any of those players, but a decent chunk of change all the same and it all adds up)

Hackney himself has made no secret of the fact he sees himself as a Premier League player which is only justified. He'd like to be so first and foremost with us as he's a Boro fan playing for his boyhood club that brought him through, so provided we're still up there during the window, it's likely he'll want to stay until the end of the season as a minimum and longer if we get promoted naturally.

If we don't go up of course, he'll almost certainly be off in the summer and as fans we're resigned to that, but desperately don't want to see him go.

In the meantime, is it impossible him leaving in January? No, but it is unlikely as it stands and would take pretty silly money comparatively to prise him away.
Rudoni is a bit off it at the moment due to 9 weeks out with an injury and carrying a shoulder problem that may need sorting in the close season. When fully fit he is every bit as good as Hackney, but I don't think he will be this season. His bonus attribute is that he scores great headed goals.
Thought Hackney was nearly sold to Ipswich in pre season.
 

Ipad Boro

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I guess what I meant was that more than once Boro have sold a player for x amount and I've had to double check the fee because it just looked too high, Latte Lath the most recent example. But yes fair enough, I'd forgotten about Morgan Rogers entirely.

In a strange way I suppose you almost have to thank 'Ratboy' and Wolves for paying you £4 million to get a better manager, Viveash as coach and a free motivational boost for the squad. I'm genuinely struggling to think of a worse managerial switch, it was just monumentally stupid on his part. Long way to go of course but I think either of our squads this season would have got more points than whatever Wolves get this season.
In some ways you are correct, others not so.

The main one not is in regards to Viveash. Along with Gibbo, Kieran Scott, our head of recruitment., hired Viveash personally, he was nothing to do with Edwards. Edwards brought his own man, Harry Watling with him, so when he displayed his Rodent-like qualities, Watling felt bound to go with him.

Viveash on the other hand was disgusted by his behaviour and vowed not only to stay put at a club he was clearly as comfortable at as yours, but to take over the caretaker manager role in the interim even if it was outside his comfort-zone. He's a man of honour and our fans feel a great affinity towards him.

In a way with a lot of the rest you are closer to the truth at least with regard to the way things unfolded with no foresight to their means; the fan base were galvanised as there's nothing like a common enemy to unite. The 4M of course is certainly not to be sniffed at, but if it had seriously screwed our season from where we were then it could feasibly have been a drop in the ocean. Though personally I think we'd have finished about 5th from there under Edwards had he stayed, with a good amount of that down to Viveash.

Hellberg looking for work of course was very good fortune, not down to Edwards who didn't give us a second thought.

I think both our squads in their current level would get relegated from the Prem as it stands (but of course we'd also both strengthen upon promotion), but nowhere near as embarrassingly as Wolves. * As a separate aside, it hasn't escaped our attention that a lot of the sides with eternal parachute payments, that seem to bounce up and down repeatedly between the divisions more than Ron Jeremy's mattress (Burnley, Sheff Utd, Leicester, yes I mean YOU) have little chance of staying up, the ones that do most often seem to be those that haven't had a stab at it for a while (Brentford, Brighton, Forest, most recently it looks like Sunderland), their battle is just getting there and it's high time we didn't have a single parachute sides going up just to shake things properly*

Wolves to be frank are abominable, and a lot of our fans are finding Edwards' car crash failure absolutely hilarious tbh. We also hold no regard for Jeff Shi who runs the show and want them to break Derby's record under his tenure as they go down. We were also hoping to get them in the FA Cup, but that was always a tall order!

We do feel somewhat sorry for Wolves fans, aside from a few gloating idiots, but tbh a period of complete collapse would probably speed up both charlatans out of their club in time as it often does and be better for them in the long run. The same way the making of our club in the modern age was us going down to the 3rd tier for the second season in our history and actually folding in 86, when an almost teenage looking Steve Gibson rallied a consortium to step in at the eleventh hour.
 

covcity4life

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He inherited a Luton team that would have probably gone up regardless, Jones had laid all the groundwork. He impressed a lot at Forest Green but elsewhere I’ve not been convinced.

He risks overseeing the breaking of Derby’s record which would be an enormous black mark on his CV.
Was it not you saying how well he was doing with Luton in the premier league and is a better manager than kompany?
 

Ipad Boro

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Rudoni is a bit off it at the moment due to 9 weeks out with an injury and carrying a shoulder problem that may need sorting in the close season. When fully fit he is every bit as good as Hackney, but I don't think he will be this season. His bonus attribute is that he scores great headed goals.
Thought Hackney was nearly sold to Ipswich in pre season.
I believe the club accepted the fee of 20M in principle and gave Ipswich permission to speak to Hackney.

However it is more than possible that they also knew Hackney had his sights set higher if not with us so he wouldn't go anyway, along with being told that they really didn't want him to leave. The cynic in me wonders if that was to cool Ipswich's interest in Akpom temporarily so we could step in and resign him as we were after him....? I guess we'll never know, but Gibson is a shrewd businessman...

In any case if that was the case it didn't fully work as Akpom ended up going to the Tractor Boys anyway.
 

Skyblueabo1111

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He inherited a Luton team that would have probably gone up regardless, Jones had laid all the groundwork. He impressed a lot at Forest Green but elsewhere I’ve not been convinced.

He risks overseeing the breaking of Derby’s record which would be an enormous black mark on his CV.
He joined Luton in Oct/ Nov, qualified from the playoffs, so probably unfair
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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I guess what I meant was that more than once Boro have sold a player for x amount and I've had to double check the fee because it just looked too high, Latte Lath the most recent example. But yes fair enough, I'd forgotten about Morgan Rogers entirely.

In a strange way I suppose you almost have to thank 'Ratboy' and Wolves for paying you £4 million to get a better manager, Viveash as coach and a free motivational boost for the squad. I'm genuinely struggling to think of a worse managerial switch, it was just monumentally stupid on his part. Long way to go of course but I think either of our squads this season would have got more points than whatever Wolves get this season.

It’s possibly too soon to call Hellberg better than Edwards imo. Boro’s form could be a new manager bounce because with the exception of an emphatic win v Hull, the other wins were expected.

That said, whilst Edwards did v well getting Luton up, he struggled massively when they went down. His record at Watford and even Boro where he massively outperformed xG makes me sceptical of his record.

I get Wolves is ‘his club’ but they’re in a terrible place and I question Edwards’ judgement in going there when he v feasibly could’ve got Boro up. £4m for Edwards is a great fee, fair play to them!
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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It’s possibly too soon to call Hellberg better than Edwards imo. Boro’s form could be a new manager bounce because with the exception of an emphatic win v Hull, the other wins were expected.

That said, whilst Edwards did v well getting Luton up, he struggled massively when they went down. His record at Watford and even Boro where he massively outperformed xG makes me sceptical of his record.

I get Wolves is ‘his club’ but they’re in a terrible place and I question Edwards’ judgement in going there when he v feasibly could’ve got Boro up. £4m for Edwards is a great fee, fair play to them!
Sunderland are massively overperforming their xG and aren't complaining...Villa too as it happens. Point taken, we will see on Hellberg, but the early signs for him look good and it seems things are falling together for Boro.

As for Edwards, there's a funny sense of irony that he took over Luton in November after Nathan Jones' ill fated switch to Southampton...the clubs swapped divisions. Edwards jumps ship to a doomed Wolves, Hellberg takes over in November 2025...and they very well may swap divisions too. Funny old game.
 

covcity4life

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Luton’s problems started when he tried to impose a playing style on the group which they weren’t equipped for and wasn’t the style that got them their success. They went from being horrible to play against to being quite brittle.
I never rated him as highly as some others. He did a good job for sure however and personally I believe him when he says he left Boro for wolves because of the hometown aspect rather than money
 

Ccfcisparks

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I feel like Wolves are the kind of club that’ll go straight back up so in the short term, terrible move. In the medium to long term, might turn out well for him.
I think theres a good chance they could do a luton and fall straight through.

Their club is rotten to the core, and they wouldn't have much of a squad should they go down.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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I think theres a good chance they could do a luton and fall straight through.

Their club is rotten to the core, and they wouldn't have much of a squad should they go down.
Maybe, they did that in the 2010s and were back up in 3-4 seasons.

If Edwards gets back to back relegations with 2 parachute payments teams, his stock as a manager collapses.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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I feel like Wolves are the kind of club that’ll go straight back up so in the short term, terrible move. In the medium to long term, might turn out well for him.
I feel that depends a lot on a white knight coming in to replace Fosun. Unless you’re CCFC, white knights generally don’t take too long to emerge.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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Some Wolves fans I've spoken to don't expect him to start next season with them.
That would be gutting for him but their last manager was good and they had a disastrous start. Their issues are well past bringing in a new manager.
 
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Ipad Boro

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I never rated him as highly as some others. He did a good job for sure however and personally I believe him when he says he left Boro for wolves because of the hometown aspect rather than money

Maybe, they did that in the 2010s and were back up in 3-4 seasons.

If Edwards gets back to back relegations with 2 parachute payments teams, his stock as a manager collapses.
Edwards' prior management experience is a mixed bag.
He had a great 6 months with Luton that culminated in their going up through the playoffs, yet to balance it out a crap similar period when they came back down.

His time in the Prem with Luton is largely considered neither good nor bad, they went down as expected, but not embarrassingly so.

He had a decent 12 weeks or so with us, yet to balance that out, he was crap for a similar period at Watford.

So the only thing tipping the balance in his favour thus far is what he did at Forest Green. If he goes down embarrassingly so at Wolves that will probably offset that.

As such if he then DOES get sacked by Wolves he's got his instant Big Bucks and family time, but he's screwed his career into the bargain.

No Prem club will want him obviously. Sides at the top of the champo will think they can do better. Mid-table champo sides will sit on the fence, but give him a swerve as he's a known and proven chancer who will stab them in the back to move to a basket-case club with more dollar at the first whiff of it (Yes, I know Wolves are closer to home, etc, but don't forget he also left a perfectly good job at FGR that he was succeeding in, for a short-lived better paying tenture at the hatstand club of 22/23 Watford that practically had a revolving door fitted to their managers office. Oh and it was FURTHER away from his precious family home than FGR.) So no loyalty, in it for the moolah, IMHO.

The only chance he would have after a Wolves sacking would be as a desperate last role of the dice by a champo side fighting relegation...But he's no Neil Warnock in such a scenario or even a Gary Rowett I think.

Other than that, there's always the lower leagues. He could always take the Shrewsbury Town job if it comes up I suppose. Or indeed at Telford FC, his actual hometown club that he spent time working at coaching (though as a player he came through the academy and boyhood club at Villa) A fraction of the wages, but both the closest ones possible to his family home. Think he will?

(In another conparison btw, after less than 4 weeks of becoming our Head Coach, Kim Hellberg is already in the process of securing property for moving his wife and children over to the northeast of England, from Sweden)
 

blunted

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It’s possibly too soon to call Hellberg better than Edwards imo. Boro’s form could be a new manager bounce because with the exception of an emphatic win v Hull, the other wins were expected.

That said, whilst Edwards did v well getting Luton up, he struggled massively when they went down. His record at Watford and even Boro where he massively outperformed xG makes me sceptical of his record.

I get Wolves is ‘his club’ but they’re in a terrible place and I question Edwards’ judgement in going there when he v feasibly could’ve got Boro up. £4m for Edwards is a great fee, fair play to them!
Hellberg was in demand quite a bit. Swansea for sure. Pretty sure he will take Boro up.
 

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