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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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True, I saw a picture of one guy, he looked emancipated even before his internment.

Yep, bottom row 3rd from left.
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That's quite the proclamation.
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SBT

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Perfect timing for Truss to release an interview with Steve Bannon on the day that several photos of him on Epstein Island were released.
 

PVA

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Another two of the wars that the 'greatest dealmaker ever' claimed to have solved are ongoing again (Rwanda/Congo and Cambodia/Thailand).
 

Sky Blue Pete

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Why are the media fawning over Farage despite his economic illiteracy and slating Polanski?
is it being blinded by the fact he is an elite rich white guy?
 

OffenhamSkyBlue

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This bollocks about reforming NHS dentistry is doing my 'ead in! The government seems to think the only improvement that needs to be made is to pay dentists more for complex work (i.e. anything over and above a check-up), when every fucker on the planet knows that the real issue is so few dentists accepting new NHS patients. I live in Evesham, and there are loads of dentists, but not one of them is taking new NHS patients. It's a f*cking scandal!
 

wingy

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This bollocks about reforming NHS dentistry is doing my 'ead in! The government seems to think the only improvement that needs to be made is to pay dentists more for complex work (i.e. anything over and above a check-up), when every fucker on the planet knows that the real issue is so few dentists accepting new NHS patients. I live in Evesham, and there are loads of dentists, but not one of them is taking new NHS patients. It's a f*cking scandal!
Well there's a few in our City that are but I'm pretty sure they'll try and sell upwards.
 

CCFCSteve

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Been saying it for months (probably years) the state just ain’t working. Left or right, doesn’t matter, nobody appears able to effect any meaningful change that the civil service/‘system’ doesn’t want or allow at pace. Everyone gets bogged down with bollocks as the country gradually seizes up in endless bureaucracy, regulations, planning delays, legal actions, inquiries, consultations, meetings upon meetings etc etc. layers and layers of shit that slows down the good/well meaning but are still swerved by the bad/dodgy. Probably the one area where the UK and EU are still world leaders these days… ‘bureaucracy’



We’ve become a country of blockers, not do’ers….need to snap out of it and quick.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Been saying it for months (probably years) the state just ain’t working. Left or right, doesn’t matter, nobody appears able to effect any meaningful change that the civil service/‘system’ doesn’t want or allow at pace. Everyone gets bogged down with bollocks as the country gradually seizes up in endless bureaucracy, regulations, planning delays, legal actions, inquiries, consultations, meetings upon meetings etc etc. layers and layers of shit that slows down the good/well meaning but are still swerved by the bad/dodgy. Probably the one area where the UK and EU are still world leaders these days… ‘bureaucracy’



We’ve become a country of blockers, not do’ers….need to snap out of it and quick.

Why would the civil service have an interest in actively obstructing the country's progress? Seems a convenient excuse for feckless governments to criticise a body which they know has no right of reply.
 

CCFCSteve

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Why would the civil service have an interest in actively obstructing the country's progress? Seems a convenient excuse for feckless governments to criticise a body which they know has no right of reply.

Various reasons; they’ll be some stuff that many will disagree with so will make it difficult (see home office - been talked about to death by governments of 20+ years), culturally there appears to be leaning towards safe decisions and not driving through meaningful change ‘this is how we’ve always done it’, arse covering etc etc. it’s rife across the board.

This isn’t just pointing the finger at the civil service, many of whom are just doing their job, which is why I included the ‘system’ and state generally. It’s so difficult to get things done these days. We add hurdle upon hurdle which slows everything down.

Speak to small business owners about all the stuff they have to deal with, or developers looking to build, government departments overseeing big infrastructure projects or look at energy policies/infrastructure etc There’s plenty of examples in the press/media though as I’ve raised before.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Been saying it for months (probably years) the state just ain’t working. Left or right, doesn’t matter, nobody appears able to effect any meaningful change that the civil service/‘system’ doesn’t want or allow at pace. Everyone gets bogged down with bollocks as the country gradually seizes up in endless bureaucracy, regulations, planning delays, legal actions, inquiries, consultations, meetings upon meetings etc etc. layers and layers of shit that slows down the good/well meaning but are still swerved by the bad/dodgy. Probably the one area where the UK and EU are still world leaders these days… ‘bureaucracy’



We’ve become a country of blockers, not do’ers….need to snap out of it and quick.

But we have that bureaucracy because we've seen what happens when you don't have regulation and leave it to the markets and it's an absolute wild west shitshow.
 

chiefdave

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Infectious disease experts have privately been questioning some of rhetoric around the what has been called "super flu".
That's the opening to a news report today, if you make it to the end of the report you find this gem
But there has also been a political advantage to that messaging - it placed pressure on resident doctors who were voting last week on whether to continue with their strike action.
 

chiefdave

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Queing to get in the SkyDome last night I was behind 3 young lads, I assume brothers. Would guess the eldest was 12 or 13 and a couple of younger kids.

All spending their time on their phones scrolling while waiting to get in. Could see what they were looking at and it was a never ending stream of Reform, Tommy Robinson, MAGA, Tate etc.

No wonder kids brains are scrambled when they are getting that shit pushed to them constantly.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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Queing to get in the SkyDome last night I was behind 3 young lads, I assume brothers. Would guess the eldest was 12 or 13 and a couple of younger kids.

All spending their time on their phones scrolling while waiting to get in. Could see what they were looking at and it was a never ending stream of Reform, Tommy Robinson, MAGA, Tate etc.

No wonder kids brains are scrambled when they are getting that shit pushed to them constantly.
With the algorithms, you constantly get fed what interact with. My feeds have been bombarded with Green/Your Party stuff lately because I’d watched interviews with Polanski and Sultana. The latter talking exactly as people would at uni…

Not related to what you witnessed last night but I’ve come to the view that smartphones should be banned for minors and particularly in schools. It’s awful for young boys and girls for somewhat different reasons.

Jonathan Haidt did a good book on this where social media is driving political divisions in society and found that in the US, polarisation can be measured and the amount of districts that vote 20%+ for their chosen political party is way up from the historical norms up to the 90s. In short, internal migration is partly linked to political leanings, lefties go to places like Oregon and righties go to Florida to use an example.

It’s mental.
 

Grendel

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Why are the media fawning over Farage despite his economic illiteracy and slating Polanski?
is it being blinded by the fact he is an elite rich white guy?

Frankly Polanski is far more dangerous than Farage. His economic strategy has been laughed at by every economist I’ve seen. Anyone who votes for the clown is deranged.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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Frankly Polanski is far more dangerous than Farage. His economic strategy has been laughed at by every economist I’ve seen. Anyone who votes for the clown is deranged.
In an earlier post @Sky Blue Pete called Farage ‘economically illiterate’. True, there are questions about his credibility on the economy but if you then think Polanski is credible… some souls cannot be saved.

If anyone seen Polanski on ‘The Rest is Politics’, he struggles with basic questions and under any scrutiny. In soft ball interviews, he pretty much regurgitates the same rehearsed phrases.

Likewise with Sultana who said she’d nationalise the ’whole economy’ and even when Owen Jones said ‘all of it?’, she responds simply with: ‘worker’s cooperatives?’

That is such an unserious thing to say that I’ll happily disclose that when I was an A-Level politics student and socialist, I pondered whether or not the whole economy could be nationalised and thought it was a turkey. Literally anyone who’s studied the tail end of the Cold War for 5 minutes will see why this idea does not survive contact with reality.
 

Grendel

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Define far more dangerous

His policy is to ignore bond markets and effectively print money to pay for massive public nationalisation projects. Even Alistair Campbell described MMT as voodoo economics.

He doesn’t understand we operate on a global level and require to continue to pay the owed debt and require market confidence. To do that you need economic growth.

He is a total idiot. We’d have inflation at levels most people have never seen in this country and a collapsed pound.
 

Marty

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Queing to get in the SkyDome last night I was behind 3 young lads, I assume brothers. Would guess the eldest was 12 or 13 and a couple of younger kids.

All spending their time on their phones scrolling while waiting to get in. Could see what they were looking at and it was a never ending stream of Reform, Tommy Robinson, MAGA, Tate etc.

No wonder kids brains are scrambled when they are getting that shit pushed to them constantly.

You wouldn't want to see what's on mine.

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CCFCSteve

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With the algorithms, you constantly get fed what interact with. My feeds have been bombarded with Green/Your Party stuff lately because I’d watched interviews with Polanski and Sultana. The latter talking exactly as people would at uni…

Not related to what you witnessed last night but I’ve come to the view that smartphones should be banned for minors and particularly in schools. It’s awful for young boys and girls for somewhat different reasons.

Jonathan Haidt did a good book on this where social media is driving political divisions in society and found that in the US, polarisation can be measured and the amount of districts that vote 20%+ for their chosen political party is way up from the historical norms up to the 90s. In short, internal migration is partly linked to political leanings, lefties go to places like Oregon and righties go to Florida to use an example.

It’s mental.

Said it before, anyone with mental health, ADHD or anxiety issues, especially kids (U16) should have their smart phones removed to see if it had a material affect. I’d imagine in many cases it would

Agree about echo chambers on social media causing polarisation as well. People get pumped full of what they believe so are even less likely to listen to other peoples views in the real world. It’s also reduces critical thinking as people will just believe what they are fed as that’s all they ever see so why disbelieve it 🤷‍♂️
 

CCFCSteve

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His policy is to ignore bond markets and effectively print money to pay for massive public nationalisation projects. Even Alistair Campbell described MMT as voodoo economics.

He doesn’t understand we operate on a global level and require to continue to pay the owed debt and require market confidence. To do that you need economic growth.

He is a total idiot. We’d have inflation at levels most people have never seen in this country and a collapsed pound.

For someone who appears to be advocating implementing a totally new monetary system (which is untested anywhere in the world, ever) to not know the difference between deficit and total government debt or even give a ballpark of how much in gilts BoE holds sums the guy up….as I’ve said before, a chancer
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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With the algorithms, you constantly get fed what interact with. My feeds have been bombarded with Green/Your Party stuff lately because I’d watched interviews with Polanski and Sultana. The latter talking exactly as people would at uni…

Not related to what you witnessed last night but I’ve come to the view that smartphones should be banned for minors and particularly in schools. It’s awful for young boys and girls for somewhat different reasons.

Jonathan Haidt did a good book on this where social media is driving political divisions in society and found that in the US, polarisation can be measured and the amount of districts that vote 20%+ for their chosen political party is way up from the historical norms up to the 90s. In short, internal migration is partly linked to political leanings, lefties go to places like Oregon and righties go to Florida to use an example.

It’s mental.
Florida was a swing state as recently as 10 years ago, it’s quite dramatic a change.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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A lot of the New York region fucked off down there during covid. The rules were more relaxed and the rich people got out. I suspect a lot of them were more on the Republican side.
Same with California, internal migration showed that Texas and Florida were the main recipients of people moving from predominantly blue states. California in particular has seen a lot of brain drain to places like Austin.
 

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