Do you want to discuss boring politics? (29 Viewers)

[Captain Dart]

 

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[Grendel]

Comedy gold as ever

 

[PVA]

With respect you keep making claims - not me. Now it’s numerous people! Yet you can’t name one?

Surely “weak stuff” would be a person making accusations and then not having the bollocks to name names?

Strange

 

[Grendel]

I thought the people on here obsessed with immigration would have at least passed comment on it going down by 70%. I guess not?

So you think this is good news and we need to massively reduce migration

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So you think this is good news and we need to massively reduce migration

Well clearly having a net entry of nearly a million people in a year isn’t sustainable and I’ve said many times that I want the country not to rely on importing foreign labour.

Do you think it’s a big step in the right direction?

 

[Captain Dart]

I see Reeves announced lower energy bills but she is robbing Peter to pay Paul because the costs will be transferred to even higher income tax rates, tax payers pay more and more. This lie Labour told about taking £300 of electricity bills is going to be met by increasing the basic rate of income tax to 25% isn't it.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The public’s first impression of the budget, lol.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The public’s first impression of the budget, lol.

Unfair????
Mmmm don’t quite get that
Is it the rich guys saying the reason it’s so shit middle class is cos of those on benefits

 

[fatso]

Unfair????
Mmmm don’t quite get that
Is it the rich guys saying the reason it’s so shit middle class is cos of those on benefits

Those who work pay more
Those who chose not to work continue to take the piss.

Tbf, Starmer wanted to overhaul the welfare system, but was shot down by the wanker back benchers who are purely interested in maintaining their own seats, and couldnt give a fuck about the economy.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Despite the headline of business rate reductions for some businesses, a lot of pubs have had their RV increased significantly so will be paying more. Reeves genuinely does not have a clue about managing an economy, her background of fucking about in the BOE is her problem not her advantage.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Unfair????
Mmmm don’t quite get that
Is it the rich guys saying the reason it’s so shit middle class is cos of those on benefits

No Pete, it’s tax thresholds being frozen for another 3 years pushing people into higher tax brackets.

Teachers and nurses will be dragged into the 40% tax bracket as will more and more earners. As will lower income workers start paying tax when they shouldn’t be.

The average employee and employer putting 6% into pension pot will also be taxed on contributions after £2k.

Whilst private sector workers have wages suppressed by the governments tax hikes last year, it’s only public sector workers and benefits claimants who get rises above inflation (driven up by government policies). Deeply unfair.

 

[fernandopartridge]

No Pete, it’s tax thresholds being frozen for another 3 years pushing people into higher tax brackets.

Teachers and nurses will be dragged into the 40% tax bracket as will more and more earners. As will lower income workers start paying tax when they shouldn’t be.

The average employee and employer putting 6% into pension pot will also be taxed on contributions after £2k.

Whilst private sector workers have wages suppressed by the governments tax hikes last year, it’s only public sector workers and benefits claimants who get rises above inflation (driven up by government policies). Deeply unfair.

Which public sector workers get above inflation increases? Never ever happened in my working life. (I don't work in the public sector and haven't for a long time)

Reeves is shrinking the size of the private sector with tax increases for people and businesses. She is a disaster.

I just saw a pub owner on Facebook show that its RV is increasing from 22k to 86k. That'll mean roughly £3k extra per month in tax to pay. That is completely unreasonable and unsustainable.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Despite the headline of business rate reductions for some businesses, a lot of pubs have had their RV increased significantly so will be paying more. Reeves genuinely does not have a clue about managing an economy, her background of fucking about in the BOE is her problem not her advantage.

It’s going to eviscerate retail and pubs unless it’s corrected… businesses folding and rising unemployment is about to a hefty chunk to a welfare bill already expecting to rise £70+ billion in the next 5 years.

First female chancellor she proudly says, probably will go down as one of the worst.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Which public sector workers get above inflation increases? Never ever happened in my working life. (I don't work in the public sector and haven't for a long time)

Reeves is shrinking the size of the private sector with tax increases for people and businesses. She is a disaster.

I just saw a pub owner on Facebook show that its RV is increasing from 22k to 86k. That'll mean roughly £3k extra per month in tax to pay. That is completely unreasonable and unsustainable.

Public sector wages increased 6.8% in Q3 alone…

Either way, we agree on the fundamentals that this government is a disaster. The budget robs Peter to pay Paul.

Starmer is a liar. He lied to Labour members to get elected as leader and he lied to the electorate to get elected as PM. This exchange shows why he’s despised. In the face of being called out for U-turning on why he told the electorate last year, he gets po faced and acts like he’s been asked an offensive question.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It’s going to eviscerate retail and pubs unless it’s corrected… businesses folding and rising unemployment is about to a hefty chunk to a welfare bill already expecting to rise £70+ billion in the next 5 years.

First female chancellor she proudly says, probably will go down as one of the worst.

The second one is the one I was on about, I think this kind of tax increase is incredibly cynical as it isn't widely understood how it works. As if the prospects for the hospitality industry weren't bad enough already. Still, it's not all bad, that lovely local employer Amazon getting around a 10% increase

Public sector wages increased 6.8% in Q3 alone…

Either way, we agree on the fundamentals that this government is a disaster. The budget robs Peter to pay Paul.

Starmer is a liar. He lied to Labour members to get elected as leader and he lied to the electorate to get elected as PM. This exchange shows why he’s despised. In the face of being called out for U-turning on why he told the electorate last year, he gets po faced and acts like he’s been asked an offensive question.

He was given the easiest of rides to the election last year, it's remarkable how ill prepared he is for even the most obvious question

 

[PVA]

On business rates increases...

• Transitional Relief – To support ratepayers facing large bill increases at the revaluation the government is introducing a redesigned Transitional Relief scheme worth £3.2 billion.
• Transitional Relief Supplement – a 1p supplement to the relevant tax rate for ratepayers who do not receive Transitional Relief or the Supporting Small Business scheme to partially fund Transitional Relief. This will apply for one year from 1 April 2026.
• 2026 Supporting Small Business Scheme (SSB relief) – bill increases for businesses losing some or all of their small business rates relief or rural rate relief will be capped at the higher of £800 or the relevant transitional relief caps from 1 April 2026. The 2026 SSB relief scheme has been expanded to ratepayers losing their RHL relief. The government has also announced a one-year extension of the 2023 Supporting Small Business scheme from 1 April 2026. This support is applied before changes in other reliefs and local supplements.

 

[Blind-Faith]

Just starting to get into politics , I’ve just read we are paying over £100 billion a year on debt interest. Madness. Surely instead of increasing spending on welfare and pensions and foreign aid etc , we need to bring this number down??

That money could then go to ( I imagine this along way off ) NHS, education , increasing the tax thresholds for people , more money for people to spend, creating jobs etc

The country is £2.8 trillion in debt??? Who in the hell let that happen?? Fooking madness

 

[fernandopartridge]

On business rates increases...

• Transitional Relief – To support ratepayers facing large bill increases at the revaluation the government is introducing a redesigned Transitional Relief scheme worth £3.2 billion.
• Transitional Relief Supplement – a 1p supplement to the relevant tax rate for ratepayers who do not receive Transitional Relief or the Supporting Small Business scheme to partially fund Transitional Relief. This will apply for one year from 1 April 2026.
• 2026 Supporting Small Business Scheme (SSB relief) – bill increases for businesses losing some or all of their small business rates relief or rural rate relief will be capped at the higher of £800 or the relevant transitional relief caps from 1 April 2026. The 2026 SSB relief scheme has been expanded to ratepayers losing their RHL relief. The government has also announced a one-year extension of the 2023 Supporting Small Business scheme from 1 April 2026. This support is applied before changes in other reliefs and local supplements.

Transitional relief concedes that the increases are unaffordable to business so just delays the inevitable. It's not something that is a specific labour policy either, it has always existed.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The second one is the one I was on about, I think this kind of tax increase is incredibly cynical as it isn't widely understood how it works. As if the prospects for the hospitality industry weren't bad enough already. Still, it's not all bad, that lovely local employer Amazon getting around a 10% increase

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He was given the easiest of rides to the election last year, it's remarkable how ill prepared he is for even the most obvious question

After experience Sunak and Starmer, it’s bonkers how anyone can go from MP to PM in less than 10 years. Their inexperience clearly hampered them.

What’s even more mental, if an election was held tomorrow, Farage would be PM and he’s a complete novice. In fairness, he’s been an MEP for many years but not sure that counts for much and the fact he’s a complete outsider probably bodes well for him (and Zach Polanski for the Greens). The electorate are clearly washing their hands of Labour and Conservative.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

On business rates increases...

• Transitional Relief – To support ratepayers facing large bill increases at the revaluation the government is introducing a redesigned Transitional Relief scheme worth £3.2 billion.
• Transitional Relief Supplement – a 1p supplement to the relevant tax rate for ratepayers who do not receive Transitional Relief or the Supporting Small Business scheme to partially fund Transitional Relief. This will apply for one year from 1 April 2026.
• 2026 Supporting Small Business Scheme (SSB relief) – bill increases for businesses losing some or all of their small business rates relief or rural rate relief will be capped at the higher of £800 or the relevant transitional relief caps from 1 April 2026. The 2026 SSB relief scheme has been expanded to ratepayers losing their RHL relief. The government has also announced a one-year extension of the 2023 Supporting Small Business scheme from 1 April 2026. This support is applied before changes in other reliefs and local supplements.

If you need to add various schemes/reliefs/exemptions to a tax, it clearly isn’t a good policy. Business owners are calling this out for what it is.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Just starting to get into politics , I’ve just read we are paying over £100 billion a year on debt interest. Madness. Surely instead of increasing spending on welfare and pensions and foreign aid etc , we need to bring this number down??

That money could then go to ( I imagine this along way off ) NHS, education , increasing the tax thresholds for people , more money for people to spend, creating jobs etc

The country is £2.8 trillion in debt??? Who in the hell let that happen?? Fooking madness

The government isn't a household, it doesn't owe debt to commercial banks like a household does. Most of its debt is held by its wholly owned bank. It issues its own currency so would never ever ever ever ever ever be unable to pay any debt denominated in pounds sterling. Government debt is bought by long term investors like pension funds because of this. Government debt is private sector savings.

 

[Blind-Faith]

The government isn't a household, it doesn't owe debt to commercial banks like a household does. Most of its debt is held by its wholly owned bank. It issues its own currency so would never ever ever ever ever ever be unable to pay any debt denominated in pounds sterling. Government debt is bought by long term investors like pension funds because of this. Government debt is private sector savings.

Cheers

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Just starting to get into politics , I’ve just read we are paying over £100 billion a year on debt interest. Madness. Surely instead of increasing spending on welfare and pensions and foreign aid etc , we need to bring this number down??

That money could then go to ( I imagine this along way off ) NHS, education , increasing the tax thresholds for people , more money for people to spend, creating jobs etc

The country is £2.8 trillion in debt??? Who in the hell let that happen?? Fooking madness

Returning the welfare bill to pre-COVID levels saves £47bn alone. Any serious government wanting to get the public finances on a good footing needs to start here.

This impacts any left or right leaning government. Forget increasing sums on public services or cutting taxes if you’re continually raising taxes to service welfare spending.

Reeves has had 2 budgets and has already raised taxes by record levels.

 

[Blind-Faith]

Returning the welfare bill to pre-COVID levels saves £47bn alone. Any serious government wanting to get the public finances on a good footing needs to start here.

This impacts any left or right leaning government. Forget increasing sums on public services or cutting taxes if you’re continually raising taxes to service welfare spending.

Reeves has had 2 budgets and has already raised taxes by record levels.

All I understand at the moment, is she initially raised £40 billion in taxes and said she wouldn’t be back for more and then yesterday, she puts another £26 billion on top of it.

And it would appear, the people who get up and go to work 5/6/7 days a week, aren’t on minimum wage , are the ones yet again, being screwed over with no real reward in the budget.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

All I understand at the moment, is she initially raised £40 billion in taxes and said she wouldn’t be back for more and then yesterday, she puts another £26 billion on top of it.

And it would appear, the people who get up and go to work 5/6/7 days a week, aren’t on minimum wage , are the ones yet again, being screwed over with no real reward in the budget.

My advice: don’t trust tax and spend political parties. It’s never enough.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Ah so businesses that are struggling is due to them and not the government

What a cuntish thing to say

Ah so people that are struggling is due to them and not the govt.

What a cuntish thing to say.

 

[fernandopartridge]

My advice: don’t trust tax and spend political parties. It’s never enough.
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Don't trust the idea that spending is dependent on taxes, that's a good start

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

If you need to add various schemes/reliefs/exemptions to a tax, it clearly isn’t a good policy. Business owners are calling this out for what it is.

I sort of agree here.

I can understand why some legislation has become so long-winded because someone, somewhere has taken the piss and loopholes need closing, but on the whole I think a lot of the stuff is absolutely unnecessary and just there so the accountants and lawyers can get a nice pay day and can make it look like they're really clever by making it so complicated.

It really doesn't need to be if everyone just stop being such self-serving arseholes.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Ah so people that are struggling is due to them and not the govt.

What a cuntish thing to say.

In fairness it was a case of "I'm alright Jack" from Pete. Sums up the modern labour party.