Transfer Rumour 25/26 Summer Transfer Window (14 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Does he actually live there? Hedman used to.

No idea. Surströmming is the next level Swedish stuff but I imagine the Danes have beef with them.

An important question to ask him after the game tonight Mr Gurney anyway. If tinned fish fuels his goalscoring then hook him up for life.

 

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[Sky Blue Goblin]

Out of interest where was it said that an offer to bamford was made?

Bamford said it in his Sheffield United interview.

 

[SBAndy]

It is difficult. As why would a young player like SRS - who realistically wants consistent game time - come here when their minutes are likely going to be extremely limited?

In an ideal world it would be great to have that kind of succession pipeline in place but at our level it's unrealistic.

See, I don’t think it is unrealistic. As you’ve touched on, he could cover a couple of different positions; even if he jumped ahead of Allen in the pecking order that would have given him meaningful minutes so far this season. There’s also been subsequent chat about Torp’s fitness levels, so there’s an opening as well. It’s an investment that they are good enough to make the step up in time. Personally I’d be preferring someone of that tack to Jamie Allen (and, arguably, Eccles too).

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

See, I don’t think it is unrealistic. As you’ve touched on, he could cover a couple of different positions; even if he jumped ahead of Allen in the pecking order that would have given him meaningful minutes so far this season. There’s also been subsequent chat about Torp’s fitness levels, so there’s an opening as well. It’s an investment that they are good enough to make the step up in time. Personally I’d be preferring someone of that tack to Jamie Allen (and, arguably, Eccles too).

It really boils down to what kind of midfielder FL wants and who would work in the context of the existing set-up.

The problem with SRS just to use him as an example, is that while he can play 6 and 8 he sounds very similar to Grimes in terms of style of play. I wouldn't really want two similar players playing in the same midfield as it'll just make us disjointed and stifle any kind of attacking potency.

The one thing we're missing is that attacking aggression in CM, someone that can unleash a ludicrous pass or pick the ball up in the middle of the pitch and drive forward at pace to either attempt a shot at goal or thread one of our forwards through.

I will caveat the above by saying I've only read reports and glanced at YouTube highlights of SRS, where on first look he does seem quite similar to Grimes, just with better footwork, but he could very well be that kind of player now.

If so then sign him up as the ideal would be to sign someone that can act as a dynamic forward thinking 8 and 6 rather than just one or the other.

Which is the point I've been reiterating for a while. We're better of signing 2-3 quality players which can each play a couple of positions rather than a player per position in regards to the gaps that need filling.

 

[Deity]

The more likely outcome is that Grimes stays fit through the season and keeps doing what he’s doing. We don’t need to spend money on a backup now who likely won’t be a viable option in the PL next season.

That is a very odd logic.

Would you say the sane thing if we only had one striker ? I doubt it.

 

[JSL]

Bamford said it in his Sheffield United interview.

You could take that 'interview' two ways. Either he was offered something before starting training or something was hinted at but didn't materialise. I suspect the latter.

 

[SBT]

That is a very odd logic.

Would you say the sane thing if we only had one striker ? I doubt it.

We have multiple players already who can cover for Grimes

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

That is a very odd logic.

Would you say the sane thing if we only had one striker ? I doubt it.

To push the point again, recruitment in Jan probably isn't going to be as linear as people are making out.

You'll probably find we're looking at players which can cover two or more positions rather than just going down the computer says no route of: Grimes is a 6, we don't have another 6, we must recruit a 6.

 

[sc1940]

Many players who are clearly above the level of the league they are playing in, can cover multiple positions adequately, so there is that to consider.

 

[wingy]

I imagine Torp just eats herring straight out of the tin in Leek Wootton. Just get that impression.

Can't beat a roll mop!

 

[Deity]

We have multiple players already who can cover for Grimes

Ok.

Who ?

 

[SBT]

Ok.

Who ?

Josh Eccles and Jamie Allen.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Can't beat a roll mop!

Yuck!

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Josh Eccles and Jamie Allen.

what positions do we need then

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Josh Eccles and Jamie Allen.

Allen can cover for Grimes? Really?

 

[Deity]

Josh Eccles and Jamie Allen.

Are you new to football ?

They are both good players but neither are CDM’s in the Grimes mould.

 

[shmmeee]

@shmmeee really has it in for Torp for some reason

Im literally just quoting stats. If reality has it in for him that’s a different matter.

 

[shmmeee]

He hasn’t told him to fuck off and die yet so I think he’s just playing hard to get.

Clacton Sky Blue in fine form as per.

 

[procdoc]

We have multiple players already who can cover for Grimes

Who?

 

[long way home]

Grimes is not a player that comes along very often, he is a very special player. So to replace him i don't think that's realistic. What is, would be is a top quality midfielder that can give you something different but be as effective. And as much as i like both Allen and Eccles we need to improve that area in better quality depth on the pitch. Both are outstanding pros and top characters to have in a squad, but our aim is to get to a place where both would not be included in many squads

 

[TomRad85]

Im literally just quoting stats. If reality has it in for him that’s a different matter.

He's legit one of the best midfielders in the division, the highest scoring midfielder, playing for the best team i've seen since we were relegated about 25 years ago. I think you need to cheer up a bit, you get a bee in your bonnet about certain players.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Im literally just quoting stats. If reality has it in for him that’s a different matter.

What’s the relevance of a player not playing 90? In an era of 5 subs, half your outfielders get subbed…

For context, here’s what our other midfielders/forwards have played in :

Sakamoto - 6/14
EMC - 3/13
BTA - 8/16
Haji - 3/14
Grimes - 15/16
Rudoni - 6/6 (WBA sub excluded)

It’s pretty clear that Rudoni and Grimes are the outliers here, they’re the only midfielders/forwards who are more or less guaranteed to play the full 90.

 

[shmmeee]

What’s the relevance of a player not playing 90? In an era of 5 subs, half your outfielders get subbed…

For context, here’s what our other midfielders/forwards have played in :

Sakamoto - 6/14
EMC - 3/13
BTA - 8/16
Haji - 3/14
Grimes - 15/16
Rudoni - 6/6 (WBA sub excluded)

It’s pretty clear that Rudoni and Grimes are the outliers here, they’re the only midfielders/forwards who are more or less guaranteed to play the full 90.

The relevance is that we were talking about whether he plays all the time or whether someone who came in would get minutes. Comparing to wingers and strikers then saying his fellow CMs are “outliers” is just silly.

 

[Warwickhunt]

Grimes is not a player that comes along very often, he is a very special player. So to replace him i don't think that's realistic. What is, would be is a top quality midfielder that can give you something different but be as effective. And as much as i like both Allen and Eccles we need to improve that area in better quality depth on the pitch. Both are outstanding pros and top characters to have in a squad, but our aim is to get to a place where both would not be included in many squads

Grimes is cultured in his play and aware of his surroundings he manages to keep injury free! Can see him playing until 37/38. Barry Bannen is the same sort of player for wednesday

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The relevance is that we were talking about whether he plays all the time or whether someone who came in would get minutes. Comparing to wingers and strikers then saying his fellow CMs are “outliers” is just silly.

If you want to go there, it’s Rudoni who’s missed 10 games… Torp has missed 1.

Grimes has barely missed a game since 2017 and is probably one of the most durable outfielders in the EFL for the period. I gave you the comparison to Eccles back in 23/24 and you didn’t acknowledge it because it’s inconvenient.

This is a strange hill to die on. Just praise Torp for his improved durability then come out of the woodworks when he gets injured if you’re so sure of it.

 

[shmmeee]

If you want to go there, it’s Rudoni who’s missed 10 games… Torp has missed 1.

Grimes has barely missed a game since 2017 and is probably one of the most durable outfielders in the EFL for the period. I gave you the comparison to Eccles back in 23/24 and you didn’t acknowledge it because it’s inconvenient.

This is a strange hill to die on. Just praise Torp for his improved durability then come out of the woodworks when he gets injured if you’re so sure of it.

Eccles also has well known injury issues. This “you’re never allowed to say anything that’s not 100% positive all the time regardless of the truth” crap gets really dull.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Eccles also has well known injury issues. This “you’re never allowed to say anything that’s not 100% positive all the time regardless of the truth” crap gets really dull.

you do realise you are allowed to say positive things though don’t you?

 

[fernandopartridge]

I also think Torp not playing a full 90 isn't necessarily all down to his stamina but also in part down to the fact that we have got able bodied players to come on and replace him. Whatever the reason anyway, we're winning games.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Eccles also has well known injury issues. This “you’re never allowed to say anything that’s not 100% positive all the time regardless of the truth” crap gets really dull.

Equally, making up a random stat to beat a player with is stupid and dull. If a player is playing every game, does it really matter if they play 90 minutes or not?

Eccles has had a couple of injuries last season and still managed 39 appearances, 44 in 23/24 and 34 in 22/23. He doesn’t have “well known issues”.

If you’re expecting every player to be like Grimes, you’ll be disappointed.

 

[Balli001]

Eccles also has well known injury issues. This “you’re never allowed to say anything that’s not 100% positive all the time regardless of the truth” crap gets really dull.

You also have well known issues in accepting you are often wrong

 

[SBT]

what positions do we need then

Given we’re ten points clear of third, we don’t really ‘need’ much. We shouldn’t be spending money on players who wouldn’t cut it in the PL next season, and we shouldn’t be aching to disrupt what appears to be the strongest first XI in the division either. Given that the squad is likely about to undergo a major overhaul I would be prioritising short-term deals and loans if we just want depth, save the big money signings for the areas where we don’t have any backup at all.

 

[shmmeee]

Equally, making up a random stat to beat a player with is stupid and dull. If a player is playing every game, does it really matter if they play 90 minutes or not?

Eccles has had a couple of injuries last season and still managed 39 appearances, 44 in 23/24 and 34 in 22/23. He doesn’t have “well known issues”.

If you’re expecting every player to be like Grimes, you’ll be disappointed.

Not sure how I’ve made up a stat that’s available on the internet for you to verify. I literally said Torp has availability issues, as does Rudi as does Eccles hence us recently playing BTA and Allen in midfield. I swear sometimes on this site people just say shit. We’ve been talking about lack of depth in CM for months but today you’ve decided it’s all invented to annoy you. I’m done.

 

[SBT]

Allen can cover for Grimes? Really?

Are you new to football ?

They are both good players but neither are CDM’s in the Grimes mould.

Allen played that role in January before Grimes was signed. Eccles has the ability to play there imo. That’s not the same as saying they’re as good as Grimes btw.

If you don’t think those two are viable backups to a player with an exemplary injury record, how much do you think we should spend on a better backup? And are we ok with them sitting on the bench this season and taking up a squad place next year?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Not sure how I’ve made up a stat that’s available on the internet for you to verify. I literally said Torp has availability issues, as does Rudi as does Eccles hence us recently playing BTA and Allen in midfield. I swear sometimes on this site people just say shit. We’ve been talking about lack of depth in CM for months but today you’ve decided it’s all invented to annoy you. I’m done.

Correct. Then we brought in Grimes who is a player who’s missed a handful of games since we were in L2. That changes things significantly. In preseason I said Torp could be important for us because his underlying numbers last season were impressive. He’s surpassed everyone’s expectations and is one of the best performing midfielders in the league. When the facts change, opinions should follow.

When we started this convo, we agreed that historically Torp had issues and I rationalised why that may have been. You rejected that despite his improved durability this season and started talking about the amount of times he’s completed 90m which is a complete misdirection and frankly, it’s nonsense.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Clacton Sky Blue in fine form as per.

I’m not next am I?