Championship thread 25/26! (28 Viewers)

SkyBlueCharlie9

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Normally design concepts look exciting. That looks like a Peaky Blinders theme park. It just looks utterly embarrassing bit like Man Ure's tent spires. Good news is that Blue nose will go bust building that and they will also wind up Villa who will try and invest and build something bigger to compete and just to say they have the bigger stadium. Funny bunch.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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I'd be genuinely worried if I was a blues supporter.
Building a 62k capacity ground for a team that doesn't get 30k seems delusional to me.

Why not build something 35-40k that's scalable and look at using money for other stuff like developing the playing side?

It's got white elephant written all over it.
This entire project is 100% going to blow up in their own faces.

We’ve seen it happen at our club. The various non-stadiums SISU promised and even Wasps taking over the RICOH and became the death of them.

If Man City don’t fill 48k, you’ve got to delusional to believe Blues will fill a 62k stadium.
 

clint van damme

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This entire project is 100% going to blow up in their own faces.

We’ve seen it happen at our club. The various non-stadiums SISU promised and even Wasps taking over the RICOH and became the death of them.

If Man City don’t fill 48k, you’ve got to delusional to believe Blues will fill a 62k stadium.

Also not sure Brum needs another arena, (referring to the 15-20k tag on arena), especially not at the moment, (though hopefully the hospitality and entertainment industries have experienced a considerable upturn by the time this monstrosity is finished)

But even if the economy was booming and we all had more disposable, is it warranted?
 

CovRes

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Thing is the whole thing is so American that they'll care more about getting some NFL in there, in which case it has to be 60k i think. But i agree, if they don't get promoted this does not move forward.
Will the NFL use it? They're trying to expand into other areas of Europe rather than other parts of England.
 

alexccfc99

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They are trying to position themselves as the dominant force of the West Midlands but its all just words, nothing about that club has ever justified the arrogance. The majority of the City supports Villa and for a second city team carrying the name of the city their historical support and achievements are garbage.
It’s just typical Brummie arrogance - They think The West Mids = The City of Birmingham

Can guarantee if us, Albion, Wolves etc. went cap in hand to the government for funding for anything we’d be told to fuck off
 

Samueljames1991

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How will it get past planning permission as well with them chimneys? Must cost a fortune 🤣

I just don't see it happening it'll be too costly and cost a fortune on upkeep especially if they don't end up in the prem in next few years.
 

KenilworthSkyBlue

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Looking through the concept images it genuinely seems like they've just copied and pasted the Chelsea / Battersea Power Station concepts which were done ages ago and added a load more pillars.

Now I'm more confident than ever it's not happening. What a ridiculous club.
 

KenilworthSkyBlue

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Will the NFL use it? They're trying to expand into other areas of Europe rather than other parts of England.

The UK isn't really that much of a pull for the NFL and logistically it's just not all that feasible to host more games here en masse. I'm sure in one of the more recent games at the Spurs ground there were loads of empty seats.
 

CovRes

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The UK isn't really that much of a pull for the NFL and logistically it's just not all that feasible to host more games here en masse. I'm sure in one of the more recent games at the Spurs ground there were loads of empty seats.
Yeah I think it's probably reached saturation point in England. They may choose to take a game to Scotland, otherwise the UK appears to be done. They had games on Dublin and Madrid (iirc) this year.
 

pusbccfc

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How will it get past planning permission as well with them chimneys? Must cost a fortune 🤣

I just don't see it happening it'll be too costly and cost a fortune on upkeep especially if they don't end up in the prem in next few years.

They will get a lot of free passes with the government and local authorities who are begging for investment.
 

shmmeee

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To be fair I don’t think “that’s chimney is a huge waste of money” is a valid planning refusal.
 

pusbccfc

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I'd be genuinely worried if I was a blues supporter.
Building a 62k capacity ground for a team that doesn't get 30k seems delusional to me.

Why not build something 35-40k that's scalable and look at using money for other stuff like developing the playing side?

It's got white elephant written all over it.

If Doug came out tomorrow and said an American investor has put forward money for us to build a 62,000 seater on Hearsall Common, my first thought would be about where the extra 30,000 home fans are coming from and what will that do to the fan base.

I've read a few times about Wagner saying they had demand for 50,000 for Wembley. It's utter madness. Half of those will be people travelling from a far as a one off and people who have been to one or two games in the past decade. It was the same when we took 45,000 to Wembley.
 

AJB1983

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Normally design concepts look exciting. That looks like a Peaky Blinders theme park. It just looks utterly embarrassing bit like Man Ure's tent spires. Good news is that Blue nose will go bust building that and they will also wind up Villa who will try and invest and build something bigger to compete and just to say they have the bigger stadium. Funny bunch.
That’s not a surprise given the peaky blinders creator is collaborating with the designers….
Sits next to Wagner in the directors box.

unfortunately he’s doing the next Bond film so expect 007 to be in Brum at some point or wearing a silly hat.
 

Johnnythespider

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How much of the 3 billion is public money ?
 

SkyBluePower

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On purely architectural terms it’s a horrible design . a clunky and crude bolt on of stuff that doesn’t fit within a football stadium . Missing the massive irony of trying to replicate industrial Birmingham which this development is sweeping away.
I suspect Americans have been involved in the sign off .
 

shmmeee

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It's ventilation shafts for whatever flavour of rarefied air your choose to inhale?

Just learned about these things and maybe that explains it all

 

Bluestalk

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Long-time reader, first-time poster and all that. I’ve been waiting a good while to post this, fully aware of the reactions the stadium will provoke.

Love the “11% interest charged on loans” comment, by the way — only it’s not quite the gotcha you think it is. Knighthead Capital Management ($16+ billion AUM) offered a loan facility to the previous Hong Kong owners as a way for them to diversify their business, secured against the outstanding ownership percentage the Chinese group held in BCFC.

I’ve seen plenty of comments questioning the financing, usually from people who only understand the classic “loan plus interest” model where the lender pockets interest, everyone nods along. Fair enough, that’s the limit of most people’s experience.

But Wagner spelled it out at the open house, Blues are tied into Knighthead’s life insurance and annuity arm ($6+ billion). Suddenly it all makes a bit more sense for anyone with even a passing grasp of finance. Insurance companies are tightly regulated on the liabilities they can take on, and their trick is the age-old “investing the float” strategy — using premiums until claims are due and making money in the meantime. And here’s the clever bit, that float isn’t just idle cash, it’s used to grow the assets inside the insurance company (BCFC), which in turn lets them shoulder more liabilities, expand further, and ultimately add value for the owners. Hardly rocket science, it’s what the big insurance players across the globe have been doing for decades.

“bUt tHe oWnErS WiLl wAnT pAyInG bAcK”

NFL? Why would the NFL come to Birmingham when Tottenham already have the UK games? The original 10-year Spurs contract runs out in 2028, but it’s not long been extended to 2030. Meanwhile, Wagner and Tom Brady have an $800–900 million investment in the Las Vegas Raiders. Just a coincidence, I’m sure. NFL European expansion league, anyone?

For those insisting the plans will never get approved now that would be a pretty embarrassing outcome for a team of around 75 people working alongside Birmingham City Council, fully funded by Knighthead Capital. Eighteen months of effort binned? That would sting, wouldn’t you think?

The exterior of the stadium won’t be everyone’s cup of tea, but one thing’s certain: it’s iconic. The stadium bowl is as steep as regulations allow, and it’ll be the only UK stadium with both a retractable roof and pitch.

Laugh, joke, sneer, and poke fun all you like — but when serious businessmen make investment pledges of this scale, it’s not to keep the squad’s financing stuck in the status quo. The entire sports quarter revenue flows into BCFC’s coffers, making PSR an issue only the Villa blokes cry about.

Enjoy your current ride in the Championship — I genuinely hope you make it to the Prem. FYI, Mike Ashley was perfectly happy owning the Ricoh, as it gave him a tidy return on his initial investment plus all the non-football revenue (concerts, etc.). But I know for a fact there’s already been a meeting about what’s about to be built just down the road in Brum. Which means the Ricoh Arena and Villa Park will be collecting their last few concerts before the Powerhouse opens in 2030.

You can keep the Enemy gigs though.

Why all this effort, you may ask? Because Mike (English teacher) ex–brother-in-law who thought my sister was a punching bag is a regular poster on here, and I know full well the “love” he has for the real Blues. Petty? Absolutely. Do I care? Not in the slightest.

1st and last post, Keep Right On….. (JB)
 

Shannerz

Well-Known Member
Long-time reader, first-time poster and all that. I’ve been waiting a good while to post this, fully aware of the reactions the stadium will provoke.

Love the “11% interest charged on loans” comment, by the way — only it’s not quite the gotcha you think it is. Knighthead Capital Management ($16+ billion AUM) offered a loan facility to the previous Hong Kong owners as a way for them to diversify their business, secured against the outstanding ownership percentage the Chinese group held in BCFC.

I’ve seen plenty of comments questioning the financing, usually from people who only understand the classic “loan plus interest” model where the lender pockets interest, everyone nods along. Fair enough, that’s the limit of most people’s experience.

But Wagner spelled it out at the open house, Blues are tied into Knighthead’s life insurance and annuity arm ($6+ billion). Suddenly it all makes a bit more sense for anyone with even a passing grasp of finance. Insurance companies are tightly regulated on the liabilities they can take on, and their trick is the age-old “investing the float” strategy — using premiums until claims are due and making money in the meantime. And here’s the clever bit, that float isn’t just idle cash, it’s used to grow the assets inside the insurance company (BCFC), which in turn lets them shoulder more liabilities, expand further, and ultimately add value for the owners. Hardly rocket science, it’s what the big insurance players across the globe have been doing for decades.

“bUt tHe oWnErS WiLl wAnT pAyInG bAcK”

NFL? Why would the NFL come to Birmingham when Tottenham already have the UK games? The original 10-year Spurs contract runs out in 2028, but it’s not long been extended to 2030. Meanwhile, Wagner and Tom Brady have an $800–900 million investment in the Las Vegas Raiders. Just a coincidence, I’m sure. NFL European expansion league, anyone?

For those insisting the plans will never get approved now that would be a pretty embarrassing outcome for a team of around 75 people working alongside Birmingham City Council, fully funded by Knighthead Capital. Eighteen months of effort binned? That would sting, wouldn’t you think?

The exterior of the stadium won’t be everyone’s cup of tea, but one thing’s certain: it’s iconic. The stadium bowl is as steep as regulations allow, and it’ll be the only UK stadium with both a retractable roof and pitch.

Laugh, joke, sneer, and poke fun all you like — but when serious businessmen make investment pledges of this scale, it’s not to keep the squad’s financing stuck in the status quo. The entire sports quarter revenue flows into BCFC’s coffers, making PSR an issue only the Villa blokes cry about.

Enjoy your current ride in the Championship — I genuinely hope you make it to the Prem. FYI, Mike Ashley was perfectly happy owning the Ricoh, as it gave him a tidy return on his initial investment plus all the non-football revenue (concerts, etc.). But I know for a fact there’s already been a meeting about what’s about to be built just down the road in Brum. Which means the Ricoh Arena and Villa Park will be collecting their last few concerts before the Powerhouse opens in 2030.

You can keep the Enemy gigs though.

Why all this effort, you may ask? Because Mike (English teacher) ex–brother-in-law who thought my sister was a punching bag is a regular poster on here, and I know full well the “love” he has for the real Blues. Petty? Absolutely. Do I care? Not in the slightest.

1st and last post, Keep Right On….. (JB)
Birmingham City?

Didn't they used to be a football club?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
Long-time reader, first-time poster and all that. I’ve been waiting a good while to post this, fully aware of the reactions the stadium will provoke.

Love the “11% interest charged on loans” comment, by the way — only it’s not quite the gotcha you think it is. Knighthead Capital Management ($16+ billion AUM) offered a loan facility to the previous Hong Kong owners as a way for them to diversify their business, secured against the outstanding ownership percentage the Chinese group held in BCFC.

I’ve seen plenty of comments questioning the financing, usually from people who only understand the classic “loan plus interest” model where the lender pockets interest, everyone nods along. Fair enough, that’s the limit of most people’s experience.

But Wagner spelled it out at the open house, Blues are tied into Knighthead’s life insurance and annuity arm ($6+ billion). Suddenly it all makes a bit more sense for anyone with even a passing grasp of finance. Insurance companies are tightly regulated on the liabilities they can take on, and their trick is the age-old “investing the float” strategy — using premiums until claims are due and making money in the meantime. And here’s the clever bit, that float isn’t just idle cash, it’s used to grow the assets inside the insurance company (BCFC), which in turn lets them shoulder more liabilities, expand further, and ultimately add value for the owners. Hardly rocket science, it’s what the big insurance players across the globe have been doing for decades.

“bUt tHe oWnErS WiLl wAnT pAyInG bAcK”

NFL? Why would the NFL come to Birmingham when Tottenham already have the UK games? The original 10-year Spurs contract runs out in 2028, but it’s not long been extended to 2030. Meanwhile, Wagner and Tom Brady have an $800–900 million investment in the Las Vegas Raiders. Just a coincidence, I’m sure. NFL European expansion league, anyone?

For those insisting the plans will never get approved now that would be a pretty embarrassing outcome for a team of around 75 people working alongside Birmingham City Council, fully funded by Knighthead Capital. Eighteen months of effort binned? That would sting, wouldn’t you think?

The exterior of the stadium won’t be everyone’s cup of tea, but one thing’s certain: it’s iconic. The stadium bowl is as steep as regulations allow, and it’ll be the only UK stadium with both a retractable roof and pitch.

Laugh, joke, sneer, and poke fun all you like — but when serious businessmen make investment pledges of this scale, it’s not to keep the squad’s financing stuck in the status quo. The entire sports quarter revenue flows into BCFC’s coffers, making PSR an issue only the Villa blokes cry about.

Enjoy your current ride in the Championship — I genuinely hope you make it to the Prem. FYI, Mike Ashley was perfectly happy owning the Ricoh, as it gave him a tidy return on his initial investment plus all the non-football revenue (concerts, etc.). But I know for a fact there’s already been a meeting about what’s about to be built just down the road in Brum. Which means the Ricoh Arena and Villa Park will be collecting their last few concerts before the Powerhouse opens in 2030.

You can keep the Enemy gigs though.

Why all this effort, you may ask? Because Mike (English teacher) ex–brother-in-law who thought my sister was a punching bag is a regular poster on here, and I know full well the “love” he has for the real Blues. Petty? Absolutely. Do I care? Not in the slightest.

1st and last post, Keep Right On….. (JB)

Bro thinks he’s the first person to be promised a slidy pitch random towers 60k Wembley of the Midlands. Bless.
 

pusbccfc

Well-Known Member
Long-time reader, first-time poster and all that. I’ve been waiting a good while to post this, fully aware of the reactions the stadium will provoke.

Love the “11% interest charged on loans” comment, by the way — only it’s not quite the gotcha you think it is. Knighthead Capital Management ($16+ billion AUM) offered a loan facility to the previous Hong Kong owners as a way for them to diversify their business, secured against the outstanding ownership percentage the Chinese group held in BCFC.

I’ve seen plenty of comments questioning the financing, usually from people who only understand the classic “loan plus interest” model where the lender pockets interest, everyone nods along. Fair enough, that’s the limit of most people’s experience.

But Wagner spelled it out at the open house, Blues are tied into Knighthead’s life insurance and annuity arm ($6+ billion). Suddenly it all makes a bit more sense for anyone with even a passing grasp of finance. Insurance companies are tightly regulated on the liabilities they can take on, and their trick is the age-old “investing the float” strategy — using premiums until claims are due and making money in the meantime. And here’s the clever bit, that float isn’t just idle cash, it’s used to grow the assets inside the insurance company (BCFC), which in turn lets them shoulder more liabilities, expand further, and ultimately add value for the owners. Hardly rocket science, it’s what the big insurance players across the globe have been doing for decades.

“bUt tHe oWnErS WiLl wAnT pAyInG bAcK”

NFL? Why would the NFL come to Birmingham when Tottenham already have the UK games? The original 10-year Spurs contract runs out in 2028, but it’s not long been extended to 2030. Meanwhile, Wagner and Tom Brady have an $800–900 million investment in the Las Vegas Raiders. Just a coincidence, I’m sure. NFL European expansion league, anyone?

For those insisting the plans will never get approved now that would be a pretty embarrassing outcome for a team of around 75 people working alongside Birmingham City Council, fully funded by Knighthead Capital. Eighteen months of effort binned? That would sting, wouldn’t you think?

The exterior of the stadium won’t be everyone’s cup of tea, but one thing’s certain: it’s iconic. The stadium bowl is as steep as regulations allow, and it’ll be the only UK stadium with both a retractable roof and pitch.

Laugh, joke, sneer, and poke fun all you like — but when serious businessmen make investment pledges of this scale, it’s not to keep the squad’s financing stuck in the status quo. The entire sports quarter revenue flows into BCFC’s coffers, making PSR an issue only the Villa blokes cry about.

Enjoy your current ride in the Championship — I genuinely hope you make it to the Prem. FYI, Mike Ashley was perfectly happy owning the Ricoh, as it gave him a tidy return on his initial investment plus all the non-football revenue (concerts, etc.). But I know for a fact there’s already been a meeting about what’s about to be built just down the road in Brum. Which means the Ricoh Arena and Villa Park will be collecting their last few concerts before the Powerhouse opens in 2030.

You can keep the Enemy gigs though.

Why all this effort, you may ask? Because Mike (English teacher) ex–brother-in-law who thought my sister was a punching bag is a regular poster on here, and I know full well the “love” he has for the real Blues. Petty? Absolutely. Do I care? Not in the slightest.

1st and last post, Keep Right On….. (JB)

All sounds good but you'll be surrounded by 30,000 people who have never regularly followed Birmingham City.

Ask West Ham or London Wasps fans about what that did and has done to their fan bases.

Another 5 years of Doug King milking Take That, Bob Dylan, Ed Sheeran etc. We'll be happy with that. The CBS has the bars, hotels and indoor arenas that you're trying to build.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Long-time reader, first-time poster and all that. I’ve been waiting a good while to post this, fully aware of the reactions the stadium will provoke.

Love the “11% interest charged on loans” comment, by the way — only it’s not quite the gotcha you think it is. Knighthead Capital Management ($16+ billion AUM) offered a loan facility to the previous Hong Kong owners as a way for them to diversify their business, secured against the outstanding ownership percentage the Chinese group held in BCFC.

I’ve seen plenty of comments questioning the financing, usually from people who only understand the classic “loan plus interest” model where the lender pockets interest, everyone nods along. Fair enough, that’s the limit of most people’s experience.

But Wagner spelled it out at the open house, Blues are tied into Knighthead’s life insurance and annuity arm ($6+ billion). Suddenly it all makes a bit more sense for anyone with even a passing grasp of finance. Insurance companies are tightly regulated on the liabilities they can take on, and their trick is the age-old “investing the float” strategy — using premiums until claims are due and making money in the meantime. And here’s the clever bit, that float isn’t just idle cash, it’s used to grow the assets inside the insurance company (BCFC), which in turn lets them shoulder more liabilities, expand further, and ultimately add value for the owners. Hardly rocket science, it’s what the big insurance players across the globe have been doing for decades.

“bUt tHe oWnErS WiLl wAnT pAyInG bAcK”

NFL? Why would the NFL come to Birmingham when Tottenham already have the UK games? The original 10-year Spurs contract runs out in 2028, but it’s not long been extended to 2030. Meanwhile, Wagner and Tom Brady have an $800–900 million investment in the Las Vegas Raiders. Just a coincidence, I’m sure. NFL European expansion league, anyone?

For those insisting the plans will never get approved now that would be a pretty embarrassing outcome for a team of around 75 people working alongside Birmingham City Council, fully funded by Knighthead Capital. Eighteen months of effort binned? That would sting, wouldn’t you think?

The exterior of the stadium won’t be everyone’s cup of tea, but one thing’s certain: it’s iconic. The stadium bowl is as steep as regulations allow, and it’ll be the only UK stadium with both a retractable roof and pitch.

Laugh, joke, sneer, and poke fun all you like — but when serious businessmen make investment pledges of this scale, it’s not to keep the squad’s financing stuck in the status quo. The entire sports quarter revenue flows into BCFC’s coffers, making PSR an issue only the Villa blokes cry about.

Enjoy your current ride in the Championship — I genuinely hope you make it to the Prem. FYI, Mike Ashley was perfectly happy owning the Ricoh, as it gave him a tidy return on his initial investment plus all the non-football revenue (concerts, etc.). But I know for a fact there’s already been a meeting about what’s about to be built just down the road in Brum. Which means the Ricoh Arena and Villa Park will be collecting their last few concerts before the Powerhouse opens in 2030.

You can keep the Enemy gigs though.

Why all this effort, you may ask? Because Mike (English teacher) ex–brother-in-law who thought my sister was a punching bag is a regular poster on here, and I know full well the “love” he has for the real Blues. Petty? Absolutely. Do I care? Not in the slightest.

1st and last post, Keep Right On….. (JB)
Smashing tan you have there mate

 

TomRad85

Well-Known Member
Long-time reader, first-time poster and all that. I’ve been waiting a good while to post this, fully aware of the reactions the stadium will provoke.

Love the “11% interest charged on loans” comment, by the way — only it’s not quite the gotcha you think it is. Knighthead Capital Management ($16+ billion AUM) offered a loan facility to the previous Hong Kong owners as a way for them to diversify their business, secured against the outstanding ownership percentage the Chinese group held in BCFC.

I’ve seen plenty of comments questioning the financing, usually from people who only understand the classic “loan plus interest” model where the lender pockets interest, everyone nods along. Fair enough, that’s the limit of most people’s experience.

But Wagner spelled it out at the open house, Blues are tied into Knighthead’s life insurance and annuity arm ($6+ billion). Suddenly it all makes a bit more sense for anyone with even a passing grasp of finance. Insurance companies are tightly regulated on the liabilities they can take on, and their trick is the age-old “investing the float” strategy — using premiums until claims are due and making money in the meantime. And here’s the clever bit, that float isn’t just idle cash, it’s used to grow the assets inside the insurance company (BCFC), which in turn lets them shoulder more liabilities, expand further, and ultimately add value for the owners. Hardly rocket science, it’s what the big insurance players across the globe have been doing for decades.

“bUt tHe oWnErS WiLl wAnT pAyInG bAcK”

NFL? Why would the NFL come to Birmingham when Tottenham already have the UK games? The original 10-year Spurs contract runs out in 2028, but it’s not long been extended to 2030. Meanwhile, Wagner and Tom Brady have an $800–900 million investment in the Las Vegas Raiders. Just a coincidence, I’m sure. NFL European expansion league, anyone?

For those insisting the plans will never get approved now that would be a pretty embarrassing outcome for a team of around 75 people working alongside Birmingham City Council, fully funded by Knighthead Capital. Eighteen months of effort binned? That would sting, wouldn’t you think?

The exterior of the stadium won’t be everyone’s cup of tea, but one thing’s certain: it’s iconic. The stadium bowl is as steep as regulations allow, and it’ll be the only UK stadium with both a retractable roof and pitch.

Laugh, joke, sneer, and poke fun all you like — but when serious businessmen make investment pledges of this scale, it’s not to keep the squad’s financing stuck in the status quo. The entire sports quarter revenue flows into BCFC’s coffers, making PSR an issue only the Villa blokes cry about.

Enjoy your current ride in the Championship — I genuinely hope you make it to the Prem. FYI, Mike Ashley was perfectly happy owning the Ricoh, as it gave him a tidy return on his initial investment plus all the non-football revenue (concerts, etc.). But I know for a fact there’s already been a meeting about what’s about to be built just down the road in Brum. Which means the Ricoh Arena and Villa Park will be collecting their last few concerts before the Powerhouse opens in 2030.

You can keep the Enemy gigs though.

Why all this effort, you may ask? Because Mike (English teacher) ex–brother-in-law who thought my sister was a punching bag is a regular poster on here, and I know full well the “love” he has for the real Blues. Petty? Absolutely. Do I care? Not in the slightest.

1st and last post, Keep Right On….. (JB)
Even if every single thing you swallow from the cringe yank is 100% true, you must surely understand that nothing about your football club warrants a 62,000 seater stadium. It's completely and utterly ridiculous. A vanity project at best.
 

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