Doug on CWR (2 Viewers)

[Evo1883]

just make money bro !!!

Peg me doug

 

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[Ccfcisparks]

To be honest on kid prices, how does the family zone line up cost wise? Isn’t it £130 for a ST which comes in at around £5.65.

I get the decision especially before we bought the arena as tickets would have been the clubs only revenue bar tv rights. Maybe we can look at in the future but for now I get it and if it means the family zone and season tickets are cheaper, maybe that’s the sacrifice we have to make?

exactly. king is clearly trying to diversify revenues

 

[David O'Day]

Yeah most of them.

Although for most PL games, you'll struggle to get an adult ticket below £60.

Not defending that, but their average fan can afford a ticket around those prices. I'd imagine their fan base average salary is double that of people supporting Coventry.

The also do have tickets much cheaper than £60 but these are mostly gone where they were available.

But the ticket prices in their Stupid stand with the pool etc. are really a good comparison to anything

Also when I lived in Wandsworth their were loads of working class Fulham fans

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Oversimplified example but…

Selling 2350 tickets @ £45 each raises as much as 3000 tickets sold @ £35 each.

You roughly break even if you sell 650 fewer tickets as a result of the higher price just on ticket sales, but then you’re also missing out on people spending in the ground on top.

It seems to be a marginal gain for some very bad PR.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Oversimplified example but…

Selling 2350 tickets @ £45 each raises as much as 3000 tickets sold @ £35 each.

You roughly break even if you sell 650 fewer tickets as a result of the higher price just on ticket sales, but then you’re also missing out on people spending in the ground on top.

It seems to be a marginal gain for some very bad PR.

But we’re selling out so for now it’s a non argument

if we weren’t then it’s a different story but King and his team will have clearly done sensitivity analysis at the start of the year to decide on pricing

 

[David O'Day]

Oversimplified example but…

Selling 2350 tickets @ £45 each raises as much as 3000 tickets sold @ £35 each.

You roughly break even if you sell 650 fewer tickets as a result of the higher price just on ticket sales, but then you’re also missing out on people spending in the ground on top.

It seems to be a marginal gain for some very bad PR.

Do you have the figures for in ground spend? The bluenoses said they'd not spend a penny in the ground then drank like fish

 

[Evo1883]

But we’re selling out so for now it’s a non argument

We didnt sell birmingham out , but thats a whole other long winded boring argument

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Be intersted to see how youd feel if we were 21st in the league

We’re not and if we were, the pricing would reflect that. Currently, our games are oversubscribed so demand is higher than the supply. If were Blackburn, we’d probably need to do ‘kids for a quid’.

Likewise, our STs are probably a lot cheaper than Ipswich’s (without looking).

There’s a lot of noise regarding the pricing and in reality, most games are Cat B where prices are reasonably and more less at the league’s average. Sam with our ST pricing so the big decisions the club have made are vindicated.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

We’re not and if we were, the pricing would reflect that. Currently, our games are oversubscribed so demand is higher than the supply. If were Blackburn, we’d probably need to do ‘kids for a quid’.

Likewise, our STs are probably a lot cheaper than Ipswich’s (without looking).

There’s a lot of noise regarding the pricing and in reality, most games are Cat B where prices are reasonably and more less at the league’s average. Sam with our ST pricing so the big decisions the club have made are vindicated.

Thought I’d have a look and all bar the family zone adult which is £407 are over £500. With the most expensive being £655. Note that these are for renew so maybe even more expensive

 

[Grendel]

Oversimplified example but…

Selling 2350 tickets @ £45 each raises as much as 3000 tickets sold @ £35 each.

You roughly break even if you sell 650 fewer tickets as a result of the higher price just on ticket sales, but then you’re also missing out on people spending in the ground on top.

It seems to be a marginal gain for some very bad PR.

I can see why you’ve never had a senior job in actual businesses

 

[David O'Day]

Thought I’d have a look and all bar the family zone adult which is £407 are over £500. With the most expensive being £655. Note that these are for renew so maybe even more expensive

ipswich? don't think they went to General sale

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Oversimplified example but…

Selling 2350 tickets @ £45 each raises as much as 3000 tickets sold @ £35 each.

You roughly break even if you sell 650 fewer tickets as a result of the higher price just on ticket sales, but then you’re also missing out on people spending in the ground on top.

It seems to be a marginal gain for some very bad PR.

Football fans continue to moan about ticket prices and continue to pay the price of admission. They’re like smokers “I won’t pay ‘x’ for a pack of 20” but continue to do so.

The same people crying to hilltop about £45 football tickets were happy to pay hundreds for an Oasis ticket. Unlike Taylor Swift or Oasis, their tours are not loss making, football is.

There’s an entitlement of football fans who demand more and more from owners but kick off at any insistence that they may need to pay more. If you want £10-15 tickets, go to the local NL team.

Football is one of the only entertainment products whose prices have barely gone up since 2008. Everything else, including the running of a football club, has.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Football continue to moan about ticket prices and continue to pay the price of admission.

The same people crying to hilltop about £45 football tickets were happy to pay hundreds for an Oasis ticket. Unlike Taylor Swift or Oasis, their tours are not loss making, football is.

There’s an entitlement of football fans who demand more and more from owners but kick off at any insistence that they may need to pay more. If you want £10-15 tickets, go to the local NL team.

Football is one of the only entertainment products whose prices have barely gone up since 2008. Everything else, including the running of a football club, has.

How do German clubs manage not to charge extortionate prices?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

How do German clubs manage not to charge extortionate prices?

compare the money being banded around that league

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

ipswich? don't think they went to General sale

Might not have, just taken from their renewal prices on their website for this year

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

compare the money being banded around that league

One of the biggest in Europe but one that’s largely avoided whoring itself out to tycoons and celebrating clubs who spend way beyond their means.

This is where giving rim jobs to the likes of Wrexham leads to.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

How do German clubs manage not to charge extortionate prices?

There’s a general trend across Europe is that transfer spend of the league and season ticket prices are correlated. At a guess, FFP in the UK has an undue burden on clubs to have strong balance sheets, an extra million or two on ST sales is needed more than it was say, 10-15 years ago.

Clubs like Munich and Dortmund also have caps on their ST, around 40-50% of their stadium capacity. So their cheap ST prices are subsidised by charging high rates for single tickets in the name of “accessibility”. Do you want the club to cut ST numbers to 12-16k rather than 24k if it meant single ticket prices were £30-35?

Bearing in mind a ST works out at £20-24 per game.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There’s a general trend across Europe is that transfer spend of the league and season ticket prices are correlated. At a guess, FFP in the UK has an undue burden on clubs to have strong balance sheets, an extra million or two on ST sales is needed more than it was say, 10-15 years ago.

Clubs like Munich and Dortmund also have caps on their ST, around 40-50% of their stadium capacity. So their cheap ST prices are subsidised by charging high rates for single tickets in the name of “accessibility”. Do you want the club to cut ST numbers to 12-16k rather than 24k if it meant single ticket prices were £30-35?

Bearing in mind a ST works out at £20-24 per game.

I assumed that the answer lay in German clubs being allowed to sell far more in the way of standing tickets than we can.

Bayern and Dortmund could charge significantly more for their tickets than they do and still sell the same numbers.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

People talk about the Fulham prices, what do the fans pay at Tottenham and Everton's new shiny stadiums, with increased capacity

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I assumed that the answer lay in German clubs being allowed to sell far more in the way of standing tickets than we can.

Bayern and Dortmund could charge significantly more for their tickets than they do and still sell the same numbers.

That’ll certainly play into it. The crux of the point was that they have a smaller % of ST so they can profiteer off tourist fans.

As @Ccfcisparks said, there’s also a lot less money in the league, partly because they have a 50+1 rule for owning clubs. It’s a trade-off, do you want to be at the top table of European football or cheap tickets? (As a league)

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That’ll certainly play into it. The crux of the point was that they have a smaller % of ST so they can profiteer off tourist fans.

As @Ccfcisparks said, there’s also a lot less money in the league, partly because they have a 50+1 rule for owning clubs. It’s a trade-off, do you want to be at the top table of European football or cheap tickets? (As a league)

The Bundesliga ranks very highly still. When you put questions like this to German fans, overall they would actually prefer to keep their setup even if it meant their clubs being a bit less successful in Europe. Similar to when they’re asked about allowing more billionaires in to knock Bayern off their perch.

English football has totally whored itself out which has brought in a lot of trophies, but seriously distanced the game from the traditional supporter. We applaud the Wrexhams, Birminghams and Bournemouths and then act surprised when we get a Sheffield Wednesday.

 

[Major Tom]

CWR will be treading carefully and trying to build up a bit of trust after the Robins sacking fans forum fiasco lead by Gurney and Bailey.

A year since Robins sacking. only Clive came out of that forum with any decency as he played the neutral card.

 

[pusbccfc]

The also do have tickets much cheaper than £60 but these are mostly gone where they were available.

But the ticket prices in their Stupid stand with the pool etc. are really a good comparison to anything

Also when I lived in Wandsworth their were loads of working class Fulham fans

Yeah, you're correct. Although on average they are wealthier, there's still a decent number of working class fans. Same with Chelsea.

 

[wingy]

Some are but because they are doing the games in batches of 5 , they are deciding the prices on the go .
Long story short the better we do the less chance of the cheapo tickets

Until we reach the promised land for away fans which will be oversubscribed any way, so just the moral argument rey?

 

[wingy]

Of course it's an industry wide trend which is led by billionaires coming in to put their money that they assume will grow.

 

[shmmeee]

The Bundesliga ranks very highly still. When you put questions like this to German fans, overall they would actually prefer to keep their setup even if it meant their clubs being a bit less successful in Europe. Similar to when they’re asked about allowing more billionaires in to knock Bayern off their perch.

English football has totally whored itself out which has brought in a lot of trophies, but seriously distanced the game from the traditional supporter. We applaud the Wrexhams, Birminghams and Bournemouths and then act surprised when we get a Sheffield Wednesday.

The Bundesliga is the top division and has European competition and the support of the nations largest enterprises as well. A more apt comparison would be the second division. The fact you’re comparing the Championship to Europes top leagues shows the problem.

 

[clint van damme]

I mean the better we do the less chance of cheap tickets isnt too controversial imo its the same for any club surely?

I'm trying to think about when we're not doing so well.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I'm trying to think about when we're not doing so well.

That’s thinking for the sake of it. If we got relegated for example the prices would drop.

 

[clint van damme]

That’s thinking for the sake of it. If we got relegated for example the prices would drop.

Its almost as if I've already seen the club go to the wall due to spivs, hubris and short term thinking.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Its almost as if I've already seen the club go to the wall due to spivs, hubris and short term thinking.

i’d suggest him buying the stadium is far more of a net positive for the club long term and shows despite your criticisms doug is thinking for the future

 

[ccfc1292]

Fed up of hearing about it tbh.

Yes, it's a fair bit of money but the train for Baggies fans is less than a 10er with a RailCard.

Happily pay £30 for somewhere like Norwich but then spend £50+ getting there and back at least

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The Bundesliga is the top division and has European competition and the support of the nations largest enterprises as well. A more apt comparison would be the second division. The fact you’re comparing the Championship to Europes top leagues shows the problem

There is that much money in English football, the top end championship teams can outspend lower to mid table teams in Germany, France, Italy and so on.

The ‘English Tax’ isn’t on English players per se, it’s that Prem team just have the muscle to demand ridiculous fees.

 

[clint van damme]

i’d suggest him buying the stadium is far more of a net positive for the club long term and shows despite your criticisms doug is thinking for the future

I haven't criticised King.
I've said several times I don't blame him for what he's doing.
I dont agree and I don't think it's a good long term strategy (he's done lots that will benefit the club long term), but understand he's not thinking long term as he won't be here long term.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I haven't criticised King.
I've said several times I don't blame him for what he's doing.
I dont agree and I don't think it's a good long term strategy (he's done lots that will benefit the club long term), but understand he's not thinking long term as he won't be here long term.

I don’t buy into this idea that King is in this for the short term. Owning a Prem team must be somewhat lucrative!

 

[clint van damme]

I don’t buy into this idea that King is in this for the short term. Owning a Prem team must be somewhat lucrative!

You might be right, but I don't think he is personally .
A lot of teams have got their noses in the EPL trough and still ended up in the shit.
We go up and I'd imagine he could make a very tidy return on his investment.