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SBT

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In a world without grammar, Larry vs Dom is the battle between an unstoppable force and an immovable object that we were promised
 
rob9872

rob9872

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A terrorism offence is characterized by three key criteria:
  1. The Nature of the Action: The act or threat must involve serious harm, such as violence against a person, damage to property, endangering life, creating a public health or safety risk, or interfering with an electronic system.
  2. The Purpose of the Action: The motivation must be to advance a political, religious, racial, or ideological cause.
  3. The Intention/Design: The action or threat must be intended to influence the government or an international organization, or to intimidate the public.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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They'll be more to come out about this. About the people involved, their motives, backgrounds etc. The language the authorities use doesn't always do a lot for clearing things up, or calming the tensions down actually.

10 people don't just get randomly stabbed on a train, and they'll be some twists and turns still to come.

Just a fucking shit situation. People getting stabbed on the way home, walking their dog, minding their own business, whatever. It is horrible. Just a miracle at this point that we aren't looking at a higher number of serious injuries. Looks to be a chance they'll walk away from it. There could have been half a dozen murdered. Hopefully they will be ok.
 
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LarryGrayson

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DT-R said:
Its shocking just how many terrorist sympathisers we have on this platform!

Let's just put it all down to mental health problems and carry on letting people get brutally murdered because of it! If only Mind Charity had been watching Rudibicana instead of MI5 it would never of happened!

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you dont wanna listen to the victims familys at all do you
 
DT-R

DT-R

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David O'Day said:
Oh fuck right off old man.

People have nicely explained the situation and where you are wrong and you start with personal attacks.
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Where was i wrong? I suggested they were "probably" middle Eastern. Yes, in that I was wrong. Where else was I wrong? People jump to the defence of murderers all too quickly to deny them as terrorists (were people on that train last night terrified for their lives?)

Using every trick up their sleeve. They cant be terrorist because they're:
•British born - so have MANY others before them been.
•Christian - so were Lee Rigbys killers.
•Caribbean - as was one of the 7/7 attackers.
•Theyre a good member of society/a choir boy and harmless - like Rudibicana.

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David O'Day

David O'Day

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DT-R said:
Where was i wrong? I suggested they were "probably" middle Eastern. Yes, in that I was wrong. Where else was I wrong? People jump to the defence of murderers all too quickly to deny them as terrorists (were people on that train last night terrified for their lives?)

Using every trick up their sleeve. They cant be terrorist because they're:
•British born - so have MANY others before them been.
•Christian - so were Lee Rigbys killers.
•Caribbean - as was one of the 7/7 attackers.
•Theyre a good member of society/a choir boy and harmless - like Rudibicana.

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Who has said they can't be terrorists if they are those things? The 7/11 killers were terrorists and so was the killer of Lee Rigby. Also why do you keep bringing up Lee Rigby to justify things that his family have begged people to not bring him up for?

All people have explained is that while yes the Southport killer downloads a AQ training manual it was not because he was into jihad. It was just a book he read about killing people.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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rob9872 said:
Killers yes, eg Fred and Rose types, but this random spree seems unusual, certainly in the UK.
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does happen though, I mentioned the Starkweather Homicides and there were Harris and Klebold at Columbine amongst other examples.
Yes most killer duos go down the serial killer "route" spree killer/mass murderer duos are not unheard of.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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rob9872 said:
What I'm failing to understand is if it wasn't terror, then what the hell was it? Can't really be mental health as two perpetrators not one, so must have been planned and it was random not targeted, so I can't see any clear reason. Really confusing.
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I think the issue Rob is that it is terror if it furthers a religious or political cause etc
The danger of referring to all things terrible as terror related is you can’t keep your eye on it all and if you are focused on something here and there is a greater risk there it’s a big issue
 
Brighton Sky Blue

Brighton Sky Blue

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DT-R said:
Where was i wrong? I suggested they were "probably" middle Eastern. Yes, in that I was wrong. Where else was I wrong? People jump to the defence of murderers all too quickly to deny them as terrorists (were people on that train last night terrified for their lives?)

Using every trick up their sleeve. They cant be terrorist because they're:
•British born - so have MANY others before them been.
•Christian - so were Lee Rigbys killers.
•Caribbean - as was one of the 7/7 attackers.
•Theyre a good member of society/a choir boy and harmless - like Rudibicana.

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It isn't a terrorist attack because it doesn't meet the definition for it, not because of whatever identities the attackers had.
 
rob9872

rob9872

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David O'Day said:
does happen though, I mentioned the Starkweather Homicides and there were Harris and Klebold at Columbine amongst other examples.
Yes most killer duos go down the serial killer "route" spree killer/mass murderer duos are not unheard of.
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Must be first UK though ever if that's the case? Certainly I've never heard of any before.
 
rob9872

rob9872

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Sky Blue Pete said:
I think the issue Rob is that it is terror if it furthers a religious or political cause etc
The danger of referring to all things terrible as terror related is you can’t keep your eye on it all and if you are focused on something here and there is a greater risk there it’s a big issue
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Realise that Pete and I quoted the terror definition for others further down, but my question was if it's not terror then what was it? Makes it even more strange and inexplicable.
 
DT-R

DT-R

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David O'Day said:
Who has said they can't be terrorists if they are those things? The 7/11 killers were terrorists and so was the killer of Lee Rigby. Also why do you keep bringing up Lee Rigby to justify things that his family have begged people to not bring him up for?

All people have explained is that while yes the Southport killer downloads a AQ training manual it was not because he was into jihad. It was just a book he read about killing people.
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Read the room, numerous people are claiming they cant be terrorists because of the said things mentioned!

Also, how can you talk about murder and terrorism without talking about Lee Rigby? But I wont talk about his murderers being British born Christians, because thats the argument isnt it? British born Christians CANT cause Islamic terror attacks? Thats what's thrown back at you in defence when you call out an attack like lastnight as terror related. Its thrown back as "theyre British born Christians so cant be terror related"! When history, time after time proves that to be incorrect!

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Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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rob9872 said:
Realise that Pete and I quoted the terror definition for others further down, but my question was if it's not terror then what was it? Makes it even more strange and inexplicable.
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I saw and it was really helpful to put it there in black and white (irony intended).
For a long time I’ve always thought anyone that takes another’s life (probably not militarily but I’m not sure) has a screw loose and then I changed and thought it’s psychosis or deep anger or evil I now think again it’s incomprehensible because it can’t be understood. To attempt to take another persons life for no reason is worse than for a reason
 
rob9872

rob9872

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Ah I see. I remember about 15 years ago a taxi driver went and shot a lot of people in one day in the Lake District, then did himself.
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I thought that was the one who shot taxi drivers and blinded that policeman not a taxi driver? Could be wrong of course. Also again on his own. We've certainly had UK spree killers but usually on their own.

Edit, think im confusing him with Moat

2nd edit: found him and remember now, Derrick Bird.
 
Brighton Sky Blue

Brighton Sky Blue

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rob9872 said:
I thought that was the one who shot taxi drivers and blinded that policeman not a taxi driver? Could be wrong of course. Also again on his own. We've certainly had UK spree killers but usually on their own.

Edit, think im confusing him with Moat
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Yes Moat was a different case, this one killed over a dozen people and it was a mix of people he knew and others he shot randomly. You asked how yesterday's crime gets classified if it isn't a terror attack, it's an attempted killing spree.

Perhaps by people wanting notoriety, perhaps wanting to loot a whole train full of people, but not for a cause meeting the threshold of terrorism.
 
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One of my posts seems to have been deleted
 
Sbarcher

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They were identified as a 32-year-old black British national and a 35-year-old Briton of Caribbean descent by British Transport Police.
 
Captain Dart

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Well well well. :unsure:
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SBT

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Gynnsthetonic said:
People have had fucking enough. You can't walk the dog, go to the bank, jump on a train without being stabbed to death by fucking fanatics
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‘Fatigue’ was an interesting choice of phrase - I’m sure the poster involved would be horrified to hear of the racist connotations attached to that word in regards to black people recently, obviously a coincidence of course.
 
Ccfcisparks

Ccfcisparks

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SBT said:
‘Fatigue’ was an interesting choice of phrase - I’m sure the poster involved would be horrified to hear of the racist connotations attached to that word in regards to black people recently, obviously a coincidence of course.
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it’s so obvious and totally totally disgusting
 
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