Manchester synagogue attack (8 Viewers)

[rob9872]

Without wanting to jump in too much on either side, all of the muslim people I know are sound, but equally all are 2nd and 3rd generation of living in western culture. I think there needs to be a division in your understanding, as the upbringing will affect the thought process.

First generation are brought to believe eg that women are second class, homosexuality is wrong etc and just like propaganda in places like Russia or North Korea, they know no different, because they've not been exposed, even to simple things like girls in education.

 

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[rob9872]

I started out on 22k and ended up on just over 50k about 6 years later. Money was never the problem with that job.

I do miss the ‘union jollies’ as Grendel put it though.

Yeah but the holidays ...

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Without wanting to jump in too much on either side, all of the muslim people I know are sound, but equally all are 2nd and 3rd generation of living in western culture. I think there needs to be a division in your understanding, as the upbringing will affect the thought process.

First generation are brought to believe eg that women are second class, homosexuality is wrong etc and just like propaganda in places like Russia or North Korea, they know no different, because they've not been exposed, even to simple things like girls in education.

Yes all my interactions with Muslims are 2nd or 3rd generation, through work or mutual friends and they are mostly pretty progressive,

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Without wanting to jump in too much on either side, all of the muslim people I know are sound, but equally all are 2nd and 3rd generation of living in western culture. I think there needs to be a division in your understanding, as the upbringing will affect the thought process.

First generation are brought to believe eg that women are second class, homosexuality is wrong etc and just like propaganda in places like Russia or North Korea, they know no different, because they've not been exposed, even to simple things like girls in education.

The same views apply equally in various Christian African nations to be fair. Take a look at where homosexuality is still outlawed.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah but the holidays ...

That’s what I’m talking about. Paid time off to go to a hotel and eat on expenses while listening to various rants about the Tories

 

[Marty]

I started out on 22k and ended up on just over 50k about 6 years later. Money was never the problem with that job.

I do miss the ‘union jollies’ as Grendel put it though.

What did you stop doing mate?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

What did you stop doing mate?

It shall not be named.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What did you stop doing mate?

I’m not allowed to say

 

[mmttww]

What did you stop doing mate?

Dom has to approve mentions of that subject.

 

[Marty]

I’m not allowed to say

Ruining my fun here.

 

[rob9872]

The same views apply equally in various Christian African nations to be fair. Take a look at where homosexuality is still outlawed.

Agree but that's not what we're discussing. I think Grendel is largely correct in other countries and first gen here, over time that changes, but the 2nd and 3rd gen in western countries are tiny part of the total Muslim population and have far more progressive views.

It seems to me you're all arguing over semantics and refusing to see each other's angle. It's the same in almost every thread.

Im terms of perpetrators, there are exceptions and to coin one of my more common posts, some people are just cunts and nothing you can do about it really.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Let’s be honest, Pete is one of the few people on here who comes close to actually behaving like a Christian despite however many others claim to be

I’m the worst sinner to paraphrase Paul

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Ruining my fun here.

That was part of the job description if that helps mate

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Agree but that's not what we're discussing. I think Grendel is largely correct in other countries and first gen here, over time that changes, but the 2nd and 3rd gen in western countries are tiny part of the total Muslim population and have far more progressive views.

It seems to me you're all arguing over semantics and refusing to see each other's angle. It's the same in almost every thread.

Im terms of perpetrators, there are exceptions and to coin one of my more common posts, some people are just cunts and nothing you can do about it really.

My issue is with the smearing and stereotypes when really for much of history, the ‘Christian’ nations had similar beliefs and laws. It seems relatively recently there’s been a big gulf in social attitudes.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

…and let’s not forget that not all Muslims are actually religious.

And certainly all Jews in Israel it’s a very secular society

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The same views apply equally in various Christian African nations to be fair. Take a look at where homosexuality is still outlawed.

Death sentence in some African countries too

 

[rob9872]

My issue is with the smearing and stereotypes when really for much of history, the ‘Christian’ nations had similar beliefs and laws. It seems relatively recently there’s been a big gulf in social attitudes.

But we cant affect what people in history did or hiding behind any belief or religion. We can affect how we think and behave today.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Agree but that's not what we're discussing. I think Grendel is largely correct in other countries and first gen here, over time that changes, but the 2nd and 3rd gen in western countries are tiny part of the total Muslim population and have far more progressive views.

It seems to me you're all arguing over semantics and refusing to see each other's angle. It's the same in almost every thread.

Im terms of perpetrators, there are exceptions and to coin one of my more common posts, some people are just cunts and nothing you can do about it really.

We do try to see others perspectives you do it very well others don’t

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

But we cant affect what people in history did or hiding behind any belief or religion. We can affect how we think and behave today.

And tomorrow

 

[rob9872]

We do try to see others perspectives you do it very well others don’t

I think they do see it, but choose not to engage. I actually think some (on both sides) fo enjoy the petty arguments.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

But we cant affect what people in history did or hiding behind any belief or religion. We can affect how we think and behave today.

Also we can understand as we’ve been there and done the same things and until very recently realised that there were huge issues with the empire and slavery and medieval vengeful punishment for doing wrong things

I used to believe that progress was inevitable but Oppenheimer threw me as does the desire to reward riches and power

It is scary and depressing certain givens are no longer givens and have to be fought for

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I think they do see it, but choose not to engage. I actually think some (on both sides) fo enjoy the petty arguments.

Maybe, I seek to learn others perspectives and value them

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But we cant affect what people in history did or hiding behind any belief or religion. We can affect how we think and behave today.

And my point is it’s not only Islamic nations guilty of views we no longer hold. Perhaps our wires are crossed here

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’m the worst sinner to paraphrase Paul

If your biggest fault is to be too trusting, I think you’ve done alright.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

It was condemned by the Home Secretary and one of the items on the BBC news last night wasn't it?

Thought you were more of a GBNews man when seeking out in depth, balanced 'journalism'.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Thought you were more of a GBNews man when seeking out in depth, balanced 'journalism'.

‘The excellent Dan Hodges’

 

[Otis]

I’m the worst sinner to paraphrase Paul

Okay, but what did John, George and Ringo think?

 

[Dougin]

Simple question, do you genuinely believe that all two billion Muslims are the same?

Stupid question.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

So the guy who burnt down the Mosque was a Muslim.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So the guy who burnt down the Mosque was a Muslim.

Help me to understand why the mostly white ‘establishment’ seeks to defame white people all the time?

 

[Grendel]

Thought you were more of a GBNews man when seeking out in depth, balanced 'journalism'.

No Charles sorry - what’s it like?

 

[wingy]

Okay, but what did John, George and Ringo think?

That George was very underrated?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

So the guy who burnt down the Mosque was a Muslim.

doesnt mention his religion here

 

[Sick Boy]

So the guy who burnt down the Mosque was a Muslim.

What? The mosque was in Peacehaven.

 

[Otis]

What? The mosque was in Peacehaven.

Come on, let's not facts get in the way of a good story.