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[mmttww]

Just admit you think it’s justified without trying to worm around it, at least the Majority that disagreed with him on here have the decency to say he didn’t deserve to die. You on the other hand mr gif man

I'll admit that you using the word 'decency' is a LOL.

 

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[Briles]

He did, but the way he presented the results was to score points and stoke the flames, demean people who did turn up. Outside of his events, he actively sought to silence people through doxxing academics he disagreed with.

There is a huge difference between winning a debate and demeaning people. If your argument doesn't hold up then that isn't being demeaned really is it. If a man in a dress is calling you a Nazi and you politely explain why you aren't, is that demeaning?

 

[Briles]

Did he have reasoned debates? All the "debates" I have seen of his seem to be him answering other questions apart from the ones asked and attempted gotchas.

There's plenty.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

no, he's allowed to say he didn't agree with his claims he was about debate.

Tbf him and Tony are the only ones that haven’t expressed any empathy for what happened. At least everyone else has had some decency

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I'll admit that you using the word 'decency' is a LOL.

My point proven, just admit it will make you look more of a man.

 

[David O'Day]

There's plenty.

yeah and i've watch lots of them and they all follow a similar narrative.

he also never met a strawman he didn't like

 

[Briles]

yeah and i've watch lots of them and they all follow a similar narrative.

he also never met a strawman he didn't like

This forum/thread is a good example of what Im talking about. You will see the point scoring is rife, even on a bloody Cov forum, imagine us all getting together and doing it face to face at a Uni

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Political discourse is the cornerstone of any democracy. The ability to sit and discuss things with those with differing opinions is how voices are heard and change is made. Its not just about getting your point across, it's about learning to understand the thoughts and feelings of those with different life experiences, different social standings, different races, colours and creeds. It's only by learning how others perceive the world that true change can begin to happen. Social media is not the place for that as far too often it descends into chaos, mud slinging, and insults.

What Charlie Kirk did, whether you agree with his views or not, is show people that you can sit and have reasoned debate, face to face, and remain civil. The need to silence this kind of interaction stems purely from an inability to articulate, or understand your own or others feelings. I hope that his murder does not deter people from speaking out, collaborating, or listening ,because whichever political side you sit, the greatest weapon we have as humans is tolerance and understanding.

We don't have to always agree, but we can at least agree to disagree, a skill that seems to be disappearing rapidly at the moment.

It wasn’t all he did
Read some of the abuse professors received who he listed on his turning point website

 

[David O'Day]

This forum/thread is a good example of what Im talking about. You will see the point scoring is rife, even on a bloody Cov forum, imagine us all getting together and doing it face to face at a Uni

Yes but no one can say this is "reasoned debate"

 

[mmttww]

There is a huge difference between winning a debate and demeaning people. If your argument doesn't hold up then that isn't being demeaned really is it. If a man in a dress is calling you a Nazi and you politely explain why you aren't, is that demeaning?

I'm saying the way he used footage in videos on his channel was demeaning people. I know that's to get paid and get clicks, and he may have been polite at all times in person, but using the footage as he did doesn't back up the idea he was a well intentioned debater. His Professor Watchlist stuff undermines the idea that he didn't want to silence people.

 

[Briles]

It wasn’t all he did
Read some of the abuse professors received who he listed on his turning point website

Maybe if the professors had been more open to discussing things instead of mud slinging things could've been different. Just shows the importance of open dialogue doesn't it

 

[David O'Day]

@SkyBlueDom26

Why react like that to Pete's post? He did "dox" people he disagreed with and potentially put their safety at risk.

That doesn't mean he deserved to die but there was that side to him as well.

 

[David O'Day]

Maybe if the professors had been more open to discussing things instead of mud slinging things could've been different. Just shows the importance of open dialogue doesn't it

No, no nothing excuses doxing people and potentially putting their lives at risk.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Maybe if the professors had been more open to discussing things instead of mud slinging things could've been different. Just shows the importance of open dialogue doesn't it

Not sure that’s fair. They were mainly doing their job. Of course Charlie Kirk didn’t send emails or phone or harrass but people acted on account of what he said about their opinions

You can’t whitewash him. None of it meant it was appropriate to murder him in cold blood of course and his family and friends will obviously be in bits

 

[LarryGrayson]

No, no nothing excuses doxing people and potentially putting their lives at risk.

proper question is this so radical it shud be stopped https://www.professorwatchlist.org/professor/shobitaparthasarathy

first cuple i clicked on prob should be sacked but this was third

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Did he have reasoned debates? All the "debates" I have seen of his seem to be him answering other questions apart from the ones asked and attempted gotchas.

He's engaged in debates with students at the Oxford and Cambridge Union to be fair, probably more reasoned than his US campus ones which were clearly heavily one sided and the participants outmatched.

 

[David O'Day]

proper question is this so radical it shud be stopped https://www.professorwatchlist.org/professor/shobitaparthasarathy

first cuple i clicked on prob should be sacked but this was third

No but it involves abortion, it is a very valid belief that 6 weeks is far too soon but it is still abortion which is like red meat to some in the US.

This is the same US where people get killed by nutcases over abortion.

 

[Briles]

Not sure that’s fair. They were mainly doing their job. Of course Charlie Kirk didn’t send emails or phone or harrass but people acted on account of what he said about their opinions

You can’t whitewash him. None of it meant it was appropriate to murder him in cold blood of course and his family and friends will obviously be in bits

I haven't whitewashed him. I disagreed with lots of what he believed in, but I had the ability to agree to disagree and not shoot anyone

 

[LarryGrayson]

No but it involves abortion, it is a very valid belief that 6 weeks is far too soon but it is still abortion which is like red meat to some in the US.

This is the same US where people get killed by nutcases over abortion.

trying to silence views with this one too https://www.professorwatchlist.org/professor/richarddwolff

there are some nutters who shud be sacked tweeting better to kill people but things lick this are standard and you can do a book on friedman if you lick to!

 

[David O'Day]

I haven't whitewashed him. I disagreed with lots of what he believed in, but I had the ability to agree to disagree and not shoot anyone

You said this to be fair "Maybe if the professors had been more open to discussing things instead of mud slinging things could've been different. Just shows the importance of open dialogue doesn't it" which is not trye as most people on "professor watch" did no such thing.

it's very similar to combat 18 and the NF's "Redwatch".

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I haven't whitewashed him. I disagreed with lots of what he believed in, but I had the ability to agree to disagree and not shoot anyone

As do we all

 

[David O'Day]

trying to silence views with this one too https://www.professorwatchlist.org/professor/richarddwolff

there are some nutters who shud be sacked tweeting better to kill people but things lick this are standard and you can do a book on friedman if you lick to!

Yep, Richard Wolf is just a left wing economist. He's actually pretty mainstream.

 

[Briles]

No, no nothing excuses doxing people and potentially putting their lives at risk.

Should be made a crime really then

 

[Briles]

As do we all

Not all it seems

 

[David O'Day]

Should be made a crime really then

??? ok that makes it all fine then

 

[Briles]

??? ok that makes it all fine then

You see! This is already turned into sarcasm after about 4 messages. It kind of proves my point

 

[duffer]

Political discourse is the cornerstone of any democracy. The ability to sit and discuss things with those with differing opinions is how voices are heard and change is made. Its not just about getting your point across, it's about learning to understand the thoughts and feelings of those with different life experiences, different social standings, different races, colours and creeds. It's only by learning how others perceive the world that true change can begin to happen. Social media is not the place for that as far too often it descends into chaos, mud slinging, and insults.

What Charlie Kirk did, whether you agree with his views or not, is show people that you can sit and have reasoned debate, face to face, and remain civil. The need to silence this kind of interaction stems purely from an inability to articulate, or understand your own or others feelings. I hope that his murder does not deter people from speaking out, collaborating, or listening ,because whichever political side you sit, the greatest weapon we have as humans is tolerance and understanding.

We don't have to always agree, but we can at least agree to disagree, a skill that seems to be disappearing rapidly at the moment.

That's all very fair, but it's not unreasonable to point out that Kirk also promoted the dangerous fiction (amongst others), that the previous election had been stolen, and seemed happy to support an insurrection to overturn it.

That is profoundly anti-democratic, and hardly speaks to someone who was willing to listen to other's points of view.

The man might have sat down and talked to others reasonably at times, but he was also a proponent of hideous racism and supported insurrection. Let's not pretend he was just about polite debate, that's absolutely not true.

 

[David O'Day]

You see! This is already turned into sarcasm after about 4 messages. It kind of proves my point

Sarcasm is a valid response.

You do seem to be whitewashing the actions he did that endangered people who had nothing to do with him?

Before anyone gets upset, it is never a reason to kill someone but it is an absolutely horrible thing to do and yes should be illegal.

 

[Briles]

The biggest annoyance I have about anything like this happening, is peoples inability to accept that fucked up stuff happens in life. I've read that he was wearing a blood pack, that the bloke stood next to him was the shooter, that there was no bullet, that the bloke stood behind him was giving signals, that he's been since seen in Mexico. As a species we are thick as shit

 

[Briles]

Sarcasm is a valid response.

You do seem to be whitewashing the actions he did that endangered people who had nothing to do with him?

Before anyone gets upset, it is never a reason to kill someone but it is an absolutely horrible thing to do and yes should be illegal.

Publishing the Epstein files would endanger a lot of people too but im all for it.

 

[David O'Day]

Publishing the Epstein files would endanger a lot of people too but im all for it.

Bit of a difference between a list of sexual predators and a list of innocent people who have committed no crime

 

[bigfatronssba]

Mask is slipping for a lot of the self proclaimed “nice people”

This tweet for me summed it up for me. Jeremy Clarkson expressing concern about the safety of voicing his opinions, to be told by a “comedian” that so long as he shuts up he won’t be shot

 

[Sick Boy]

Mask is slipping for a lot of the self proclaimed “nice people”

This tweet for me summed it up for me. Jeremy Clarkson expressing concern about the safety of voicing his opinions, to be told by a “comedian” that so long as he shuts up he won’t be shot

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Where’s she said about him being shot?

 

[Briles]

Mask is slipping for a lot of the self proclaimed “nice people”

This tweet for me summed it up for me. Jeremy Clarkson expressing concern about the safety of voicing his opinions, to be told by a “comedian” that so long as he shuts up he won’t be shot

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Tbf she's about as much of a comedian as he is a cyclist

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Mask is slipping for a lot of the self proclaimed “nice people”

This tweet for me summed it up for me. Jeremy Clarkson expressing concern about the safety of voicing his opinions, to be told by a “comedian” that so long as he shuts up he won’t be shot

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He said he'd execute striking workers in front of their families so I don't have much sympathy for him in this situation. Blokes a knob.