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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Republicans/conservatives are quick to brand ‘Marxist’ and ‘communist’ around far too liberally and it’s toxic in its own right. There were sinister undertones to how people spoke about Obama in office.

In the West, the word ‘Nazi’ and ‘fascist’ carries a lot more baggage than ‘communist’. Don’t believe me? I challenge someone to come forward and say they’d rather the stigma of being publicly called a ‘commie’ than being a labeled a ‘Nazi’. As a society, we haven’t really come to terms with horrors perpetuated by 20th century communism as we have with fascism. If you admire Hitler or Mussolini, you’re genuinely unhinged but you will get people trotting out the line ‘it’s not real socialism/communism’ when discussing the USSR.

In the run up to the election there was plenty of mainstream news channels denouncing Trump, his rallies and by extension his supporters ‘fascist-like’, ‘neo-Nazi’ and so on.
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Do you think he was wrong to release those who attacked the Capitol?
 
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mmttww said:
Exactly how I'd describe Shapiro. He's so smug, too!
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He publicly admits that he was bullied at school which I suspect is why he's such a bellend as he clearly has a lot of unresolved deep-seeded issues and has a giant chip on his shoulder as a result.

Hence why he now spends his life cherry picking people who are less knowledgeable than him to debate with on various topics to make himself feel validated.

It's quite sad really.
 
duffer

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Republicans/conservatives are quick to brand ‘Marxist’ and ‘communist’ around far too liberally and it’s toxic in its own right. There were sinister undertones to how people spoke about Obama in office.

In the West, the word ‘Nazi’ and ‘fascist’ carries a lot more baggage than ‘communist’. Don’t believe me? I challenge someone to come forward and say they’d rather the stigma of being publicly called a ‘commie’ than being a labeled a ‘Nazi’. As a society, we haven’t really come to terms with horrors perpetuated by 20th century communism as we have with fascism. If you admire Hitler or Mussolini, you’re genuinely unhinged but you will get people trotting out the line ‘it’s not real socialism/communism’ when discussing the USSR.

In the run up to the election there was plenty of mainstream news channels denouncing Trump, his rallies and by extension his supporters ‘fascist-like’, ‘neo-Nazi’ and so on.
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Two quick points:

There's some reasonable stuff here, but do you understand the difference between socialism and communism? If you're struggling with that (and you are if you think they're the same thing) then your point about Russia doesn't entirely make sense.

Secondly, regarding Trump supporters being described as fascist in outlook: I hate to point it out to you, but at least some of them are - particularly a section of the people that tried to reverse the results of a democratic election. Are we supposed to avoid saying it because it might hurt their feelings?

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Helpful foreign country, change the news cycle
Tommo1993 said:
We often toy around with the idea of moving our lives over there in our latter years. I don’t think we’d have the stomach to settle with such massive cultural differences between us and them.
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You'd most likely assimilate.
 
Briles

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Political discourse is the cornerstone of any democracy. The ability to sit and discuss things with those with differing opinions is how voices are heard and change is made. Its not just about getting your point across, it's about learning to understand the thoughts and feelings of those with different life experiences, different social standings, different races, colours and creeds. It's only by learning how others perceive the world that true change can begin to happen. Social media is not the place for that as far too often it descends into chaos, mud slinging, and insults.

What Charlie Kirk did, whether you agree with his views or not, is show people that you can sit and have reasoned debate, face to face, and remain civil. The need to silence this kind of interaction stems purely from an inability to articulate, or understand your own or others feelings. I hope that his murder does not deter people from speaking out, collaborating, or listening ,because whichever political side you sit, the greatest weapon we have as humans is tolerance and understanding.

We don't have to always agree, but we can at least agree to disagree, a skill that seems to be disappearing rapidly at the moment.
 
SkyBlueDom26

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Briles said:
Political discourse is the cornerstone of any democracy. The ability to sit and discuss things with those with differing opinions is how voices are heard and change is made. Its not just about getting your point across, it's about learning to understand the thoughts and feelings of those with different life experiences, different social standings, different races, colours and creeds. It's only by learning how others perceive the world that true change can begin to happen. Social media is not the place for that as far too often it descends into chaos, mud slinging, and insults.

What Charlie Kirk did, whether you agree with his views or not, is show people that you can sit and have reasoned debate, face to face, and remain civil. The need to silence this kind of interaction stems purely from an inability to articulate, or understand your own or others feelings. I hope that his murder does not deter people from speaking out, collaborating, or listening ,because whichever political side you sit, the greatest weapon we have as humans is tolerance and understanding.

We don't have to always agree, but we can at least agree to disagree, a skill that seems to be disappearing rapidly at the moment.
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Great post
 
mmttww

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Briles said:
Political discourse is the cornerstone of any democracy. The ability to sit and discuss things with those with differing opinions is how voices are heard and change is made.
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I've seen people say this and I get it, but his actions away from events like the one in Utah don't support that idea at all (e.g. lists of educators he campaigned to get fired because he disagreed with their views).

Even at the events, he had 'Prove Me Wrong' written everywhere, and I haven't seen a moderator or chair or facilitator at any of them. Videos on his channel had titles about handing out Ls etc.

Just doesn't scream 'balanced debate' to me. He did a job of making it look like that, but I'm not convinced it was in good faith (no pun intended). Vibe was still about finding gotchas, not debating.
 
SkyBlueDom26

SkyBlueDom26

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mmttww said:
I've seen people say this and I get it, but his actions away from events like the one in Utah don't support that idea at all (e.g. lists of educators he campaigned to get fired because he disagreed with their views).

Even at the events, you can't ignore that he had 'Prove Me Wrong' written everywhere, and I haven't seen a moderator or chair or facilitator at any of them. Videos on his channel had titles about handing out Ls etc.
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Just admit you think it’s justified without trying to worm around it, at least the Majority that disagreed with him on here have the decency to say he didn’t deserve to die. You on the other hand mr gif man
 
Briles

Briles

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mmttww said:
I've seen people say this and I get it, but his actions away from events like the one in Utah don't support that idea at all (e.g. lists of educators he campaigned to get fired because he disagreed with their views).

Even at the events, you can't ignore that he had 'Prove Me Wrong' written everywhere, and I haven't seen a moderator or chair or facilitator at any of them. Videos on his channel had titles about handing out Ls etc.
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The thing is he invited people with different views to air them at him in a public setting, that's more than a lot of people do. He never silenced anyone. Was he perfect? No, but who is.
 
Briles

Briles

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SkyBlueDom26 said:
Tbh he isn’t any of them things, just someone who spoke his mind and got assassinated for it
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Oh no I'm not saying he is, its just the idea of silencing people. As if it doesn't force dangerous ideas underground instead of being out in the open.
 
mmttww

mmttww

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Briles said:
The thing is he invited people with different views to air them at him in a public setting, that's more than a lot of people do. He never silenced anyone. Was he perfect? No, but who is.
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He did, but the way he presented the results was to score points and stoke the flames, demean people who did turn up. Outside of his events, he actively sought to silence people through doxxing academics he disagreed with.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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Briles said:
Political discourse is the cornerstone of any democracy. The ability to sit and discuss things with those with differing opinions is how voices are heard and change is made. Its not just about getting your point across, it's about learning to understand the thoughts and feelings of those with different life experiences, different social standings, different races, colours and creeds. It's only by learning how others perceive the world that true change can begin to happen. Social media is not the place for that as far too often it descends into chaos, mud slinging, and insults.

What Charlie Kirk did, whether you agree with his views or not, is show people that you can sit and have reasoned debate, face to face, and remain civil. The need to silence this kind of interaction stems purely from an inability to articulate, or understand your own or others feelings. I hope that his murder does not deter people from speaking out, collaborating, or listening ,because whichever political side you sit, the greatest weapon we have as humans is tolerance and understanding.

We don't have to always agree, but we can at least agree to disagree, a skill that seems to be disappearing rapidly at the moment.
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Did he have reasoned debates? All the "debates" I have seen of his seem to be him answering other questions apart from the ones asked and attempted gotchas.
 
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