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[David O'Day]

Is exactly the same.

The only difference is Jo Cox had opinions you personally agree with, and Charlie Kirk didn’t

No, no, no it's clearly not the same. If you have got to this stage then I do think you need to go away and have a look at yourself as you are simply making yourself look silly.

 

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[PVA]

Is exactly the same.

The only difference is Jo Cox had opinions you personally agree with, and Charlie Kirk didn’t

Whether you agree with either of them or not there is quite obvious and significant differences in the kind of opinions Cox was pushing compared to Kirk.

 

[David O'Day]

Whether you agree with either of them or not there is quite obvious and significant differences in the kind of opinions Cox was pushing compared to Kirk.

He needs to take a break.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Whether you agree with either of them or not there is quite obvious and significant differences in the kind of opinions Cox was pushing compared to Kirk.

And there we have it.

 

[PVA]

And there we have it.

Have what

You don't think there's a difference between between being outspoken about remaining in the EU or saying that school kids getting shot is worth it to have guns?

I'm not remotely saying I condone it or he deserved it, or anything like that. You're looking for something that isn't there.

 

[ajsccfc]

Trump citing the 'radical left' while a manhunt goes on for someone they have no info on is depressingly predictable

 

[shmmeee]

This has rocked me. I'm going to be honest.

When it happens to a president or someone of high importance it is still shocking, but never feels that impossible because across the world it does happen from time to time.

This just feels like a new low has been reached, and I think it might be a catalyst for something very dark. Some of the screenshots I have seen with reactions on social media celebrating it are also extremely sickening. I've had to turn it all off.

I don't understand how someone could take a father away from their young children for simply having a different opinion. It's an absolutely devastating state of affairs.

Welcome to how the left has been feeling for a decade.

 

[shmmeee]

Trump citing the 'radical left' while a manhunt goes on for someone they have no info on is depressingly predictable

Never let a tragedy go to waste.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Have what

You don't think there's a difference between between being outspoken about remaining in the EU or saying that school kids getting shot is worth it to have guns?

I'm not remotely saying I condone it or he deserved it, or anything like that. You're looking for something that isn't there.

The point is no one at all brought up Jo Coxs opinions immediately after her death. Her attack was rightly seen completely unprovoked and unjustified.

People on her have brought up Charlie Kirk’s opinions immediately after his death. Now that is at best irrelevant, or at worst looking like an attempt at justification

 

[rondog1973]

Yes, strong remainer beliefs

Some people found her very polarising. She was very outspoken

Had no idea wishing to remain in the EU was such an extreme political position. Turns out it's up there with the promotion of the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory and this actual quote:

"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made up, new age term, and it does a lot of damage".

Not to mention his views on gun control which, let's face it, have come back to fatally chomp on his arse..

 

[shmmeee]

The point is no one at all brought up Jo Coxs opinions immediately after her death. Her attack was rightly seen completely unprovoked and unjustified.

People on her have brought up Charlie Kirk’s opinions immediately after his death. Now that is at best irrelevant, or at worst looking like an attempt at justification

Jo Cox was an elected official know for reaching across the aisle. Sh was killed because she supported membership of the EU.

Charlie Kirk made a career being inflammatory. Spreading conspiracy theories and nonsense and generally marking money from a bipolar divisive political environment he encourages.

We have no idea the motives of the shooter, but the fact the deceased made his money winding people up and saying inflammatory things about minorities is a touch relevant no?

 

[Otis]

Same day and it's just become the norm.

 

[rondog1973]

If I’d seen that video of the actual shooting, and the video of him just a few minutes before going onstage with his daughter, I think I would.

Thank God it was him that was shot and not her then hey? His views had it that the 100's of deaths now recorded in US school shootings were a price worth paying for gun ownership

 

[fernandopartridge]

Please explain the relevance of him being "polarising" at this exact moment in time?

The fact he's just been shot dead?

 

[covcity4life]

What on earth are you talking about?

A horrible thing to say, and completely unnecessary as well.

@covcity4life dissapointed in you liking this too. Have some fucking respect.

It's a fair comment . I haven't seen you rocked about some other deaths and I think if your honest it's because he had a lot of views you agreed with

Which is somewhat understandable. Looking the post wasn't a dig at you.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Jo Cox was an elected official know for reaching across the aisle. Sh was killed because she supported membership of the EU.

Charlie Kirk made a career being inflammatory. Spreading conspiracy theories and nonsense and generally marking money from a bipolar divisive political environment he encourages.

We have no idea the motives of the shooter, but the fact the deceased made his money winding people up and saying inflammatory things about minorities is a touch relevant no?

What a disgusting thing to say.

Jo Cox had views unpalatable to some people.

Charlie Kirk had views unpalatable to some people.

Unless you’re willing to support their right to equally speak their unpalatable views, then you’re the problem

Because let’s be absolutely clear. The problem isn’t people expressing their views.
The problem is people being unwilling to accept everyone’s right to express their opinions freely

 

[bigfatronssba]

The fact he's just been shot dead?

He’s at fault for that is he then?

 

[David O'Day]

He’s at fault for that is he then?

Who said he was?

 

[SBT]

Trying to figure out why I’ve found this one so shocking. There’s obviously a well-established history of political assassinations in the US but Kirk feels like a very modern figure to me. Very much a product of the internet age, a kind of uber-debater trafficking in the endless point-scoring that many of us on here (myself included) often dabble in online, albeit with less skill and the comfort of relative anonymity. Kirk being shot dead for that punctures that world somewhat.

 

[David O'Day]

What a disgusting thing to say.

Jo Cox had views unpalatable to some people.

Charlie Kirk had views unpalatable to some people.

Unless you’re willing to support their right to equally speak their unpalatable views, then you’re the problem

Because let’s be absolutely clear. The problem isn’t people expressing their views.
The problem is people being unwilling to accept everyone’s right to express their opinions freely

Still trying to flog the dead horse that is comparing Jo Cox to Charlie Kirk?

 

[bigfatronssba]

Thank God it was him that was shot and not her then hey? His views had it that the 100's of deaths now recorded in US school shootings were a price worth paying for gun ownership

Jo Cox thought MPs safety was worth being risked for constituents to get the chance to speak to her in an informal environment.

Guess she paid the price for that too

 

[bigfatronssba]

Who said he was?

What’s the relevance of it then?

 

[duffer]

I’ll put it this way then: should someone posting ‘punch a Nazi’ be arrested? My view is absolutely not.

You’ve said Graham Linehal was justifiably arrested for saying ‘punch a trans woman in the balls’.

He was justifiably arrested, that's the law. You may not like it, but that's the law.

Your other question is somewhat without nuance, but if someone posted a credible incitement to violence, then yes, they should be arrested. I don't know how many times I have to say that.

What's your belief, you can say what the fuck you want? Burn the immigrants, kill the lefties, punch trans people, assault gays? You can say all of that because, y'know, it's just shits and giggles on social media?

 

[SBT]

Jo Cox had views unpalatable to some people.

Charlie Kirk had views unpalatable to some people.

Unless you’re willing to support their right to equally speak their unpalatable views, then you’re the problem

Setting aside the question of who out of Jo Cox and Charlie Kirk had the more extreme/unpalatable views. You’re ignoring the reality that Kirk very openly positioned himself as a provocateur of sorts - his entire schtick was staging adversarial debates where the goal was to expose and/or humiliate his opponents.

 

[David O'Day]

What’s the relevance of it then?

FFS, we are done and I guess most people now feel the same way.

I'll remember to ask you what people should think before reacting to anything in furture.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

It's a fair comment . I haven't seen you rocked about some other deaths and I think if your honest it's because he had a lot of views you agreed with

Which is somewhat understandable. Looking the post wasn't a dig at you.

It's isn't relevant whatsoever. It's a cheap get out in what has become a bit of a leftist pity party, because that's easier than owning the fact that this side of the political spectrum has consistently spread rhetoric that has gone too far. Which has been proved again in all likelihood. Whilst there has been some regret and nice sentiment from some, I am pretty dissapointed opening this thread this morning and seeing some of that wear off too.

It would be nice to have a bit of peace and unity, and perhaps use this moment to put the swords away, but we are in deflection central. I'm pretty furious to be fair, and have unfortunately now found the need to call this out.

Anyone perishing in such circumstances as boat crossings is deeply upsetting by the way. I've spoken about the dangers of this many times, which is another reason why I am in favour of proper asylum channels. Anyone finding the death of someone in this fashion is certainly a piece of shit too, but it has nothing to do with this thread and it is a deliberate derailment.

Kirk was an international public figure, and importantly an advocate of free speech, of course his death, which was an assassination, is going to trigger more reaction because he is a well known person of interest.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Setting aside the question of who out of Jo Cox and Charlie Kirk had the more extreme/unpalatable views. You’re ignoring the reality that Kirk very openly positioned himself as a provocateur of sorts - his entire schtick was staging adversarial debates where the goal was to expose and/or humiliate his opponents.

You’re wrong.
His whole intention was to encourage debate. Use words, not emotions to
discuss things.

Do you disagree with a single word of what he says here:-

"When people stop talking, that's when you get violence. That's when civil war happens because you start to think the other side is so evil and they lose their humanity”

 

[David O'Day]

Jo Cox thought MPs safety was worth being risked for constituents to get the chance to speak to her in an informal environment.

Guess she paid the price for that too

You have really compared a MP going to a surgery with the view that kids dying is a price worth paying for gun ownership?

You must be on the WUM but mate that is sick in head.

 

[bigfatronssba]

You have really compared a MP going to a surgery with the view that kids dying is a price worth paying for gun ownership?

You must be on the WUM but mate that is sick in head.

Just say you cant understand the concept of equivalence. It would’ve been easier.

 

[PVA]

There is an incredible irony here of people demanding free speech and that Kirk is free to push his opinions no matter what they may be... while telling people how they should feel about this incident and admonishing anyone who doesn't agree with them.

 

[David O'Day]

Just say you cant understand the concept of equivalence. It would’ve been easier.

The irony in you saying someone doesn't understand the concept of equivalence while swinging and missing at the concept of equivalence is lovely

 

[covcity4life]

It's isn't relevant whatsoever. It's a cheap get out in what has become a bit of a leftist pity party, because that's easier than owning the fact that this side of the political spectrum has consistently spread rhetoric that has gone too far. Which has been proved again in all likelihood. Whilst there has been some regret and nice sentiment from some, I am pretty dissapointed opening this thread this morning and seeing some of that wear off too.

It would be nice to have a bit of peace and unity, and perhaps use this moment to put the swords away, but we are in deflection central. I'm pretty furious to be fair, and have unfortunately now found the need to call this out.

Anyone perishing in such circumstances as boat crossings is deeply upsetting by the way. I've spoken about the dangers of this many times, which is another reason why I am in favour of proper asylum channels. Anyone finding the death of someone in this fashion is certainly a piece of shit too, but it has nothing to do with this thread and it is a deliberate derailment.

Kirk was an international public figure, and importantly an advocate of free speech, of course his death, which was an assassination, is going to trigger more reaction because he is a well known person of interest.

Like I said I just liked the dudes post as he brought up a good point that alot of posters really sad about it are from right wingers Wasn't much more to the thought process than that

I wasn't familiar with the guy as I don't use social media much . It's sad he died.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This is all happening when it may yet well emerge that he was killed by someone further right than he was. At least wait until the killer has been apprehended before pretending that it is in fact the left that can’t control their violent impulses when for as long as anyone can remember, mass shootings are the preserve of the far right.

Dylan Roof, Anders Breivik, the Minnesota shooter earlier this year even, Trump’s armed insurrection at the Capitol to prevent the transfer of power. These barely scratch the surface.

 

[David O'Day]

This is all happening when it may yet well emerge that he was killed by someone further right than he was. At least wait until the killer has been apprehended before pretending that it is in fact the left that can’t control their violent impulses when for as long as anyone can remember, mass shootings are the preserve of the far right.

Dylan Roof, Anders Breivik, the Minnesota shooter earlier this year even, Trump’s armed insurrection at the Capitol to prevent the transfer of power. These barely scratch the surface.

I don't think they should report the beliefs or even the names of people who do acts like this.

Starve them of the infamy they desire.

 

[shmmeee]

What a disgusting thing to say.

Jo Cox had views unpalatable to some people.

Charlie Kirk had views unpalatable to some people.

Unless you’re willing to support their right to equally speak their unpalatable views, then you’re the problem

Because let’s be absolutely clear. The problem isn’t people expressing their views.
The problem is people being unwilling to accept everyone’s right to express their opinions freely

OK let’s play a game. I’ll post some random things Charlie Kirk has said, then you post the Jo Cox equivalent.