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Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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SkyBlueDom26 said:
Human rights though mate, deluded weirdos like @Sky Blue Pete believe In empathy for sick cunts like this

He wanted the Southport killer to still have access to boiling hot water and thinks the 7/7 terrorist should be released
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That wasn’t my point at all and I’m pretty sure you know it
If we deport without agreement there’s no guarantee he will serve my time for his crimes. That’s it

As for access to a kettle you’ve never worked in a prison have you or attempted to manage someone’s behaviour for a seriously long period of time. It’s all about risk management

Finally on the 7/7 guy. He’s not currently in prison so it’s not a question of being released
 
mmttww

mmttww

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Nick said:
Yet your first thought is "He's racist, he decided this based on just his name and thought he was foreign".
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My first thought is 'what's this got to do with the original story from the OP?'. You thought it was obvious, I didn't. It makes sense now you've explained it. I don't think it was wild to wonder if race has something to do with it given some of the positions you take or things you say.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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Nick said:
Yet your first thought is "He's racist, he decided this based on just his name and thought he was foreign".

Have already posted the prison / crime stats for nationalities like Somalia and Sudan, it upset people so they tried to skew the stats by completely missing the context of the point.

Yes, there are wronguns born here. Yes, there might be some wronguns born in Finland, Switzerland or Germany who live here. However, the stats show that the nationalities which are seemingly coming across and entering the country are massively more likely to go to prison.

To randomly house people in communities who are completely unvetted and let them wander about as they please is mental.
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It certainly appears that way
The danger is forgetting to base this on evidence but prejudice which I’m not accusing you of here
 
SBAndy

SBAndy

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Nick said:
Yet your first thought is "He's racist, he decided this based on just his name and thought he was foreign".

Have already posted the prison / crime stats for nationalities like Somalia and Sudan, it upset people so they tried to skew the stats by completely missing the context of the point.

Yes, there are wronguns born here. Yes, there might be some wronguns born in Finland, Switzerland or Germany who live here. However, the stats show that the nationalities which are seemingly coming across and entering the country are massively more likely to go to prison.

To randomly house people in communities who are completely unvetted and let them wander about as they please is mental.
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Feels like two separate points. I get the argument to be more stringent on visas for foreign nationals coming from countries who disproportionately display in crime statistics. However, is there any evidence he’s ‘unvetted’? There’s no suggestion in the article that he’s awaiting status.

Regardless, I agree with others in that, across the board, we should be harsher with the status of foreign nationals when they commit crimes.
 
Nick

Nick

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mmttww said:
My first thought is 'what's this got to do with the original story from the OP?'. You thought it was obvious, I didn't. It makes sense now you've explained it. I don't think it was wild to wonder if race has something to do with it given some of the positions you take or things you say.
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The worrying thing is that I had to explain how it was related, and your first thought was to shout about racism because of his name. It's weird.

It is obvious to anybody who can read how it is related.
 
mmttww

mmttww

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Nick said:
The worrying thing is that I had to explain how it was related, and your first thought was to shout about racism because of his name. It's weird.
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It's a 31 page thread that's gone in a lot of directions. Anger at the crime which started the thread AFAIK is because it was an asylum seeker, the route they probably took to get here, and the idea that the way they're housed while their claim is processed played a part in the horrific thing that happened.

If I'm following, the thing that connects them from your POV is their country of origin rather than immigration status or other bits I just mentioned. I remember folks getting into stats about offending rates by nationality etc. but I think that was around the time ESB was branding me a paedo so I'm not gonna recall the fine print and the directions the thread took.

Feel like you're expecting a lot of people when it comes to tracking every detail of a hectic thread. You don't think you'd save a lot of bother if you just said what you thought when you post something?
 
DT-R

DT-R

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mmttww said:
I read it twice to check I wasn't missing something and I searched for 'asylum' in the article. I wanted to get my head around why you posted it and why you posted it where you did. If I'm following, it's because the f*ck head that did it is from a particular country. Still think the chat would be a lot easier if you just said what you thought from the outset.
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Because a Sudanese speaking Muslim, needing a translator screams "English born" to me! Doesn't it you?

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Nick

Nick

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mmttww said:
It's a 31 page thread that's gone in a lot of directions. Anger at the crime which started the thread AFAIK is because it was an asylum seeker, the route they probably took to get here, and the idea that the way they're housed while their claim is processed played a part in the horrific thing that happened.

If I'm following, the thing that connects them from your POV is their country of origin rather than immigration status or other bits I just mentioned. I remember folks getting into stats about offending rates by nationality etc. but I think that was around the time ESB was branding me a paedo so I'm not gonna recall the fine print of all directions the thread took.

Feel like you're expecting a lot of people when it comes to tracking every detail of a hectic thread. You don't think you'd save a lot of bother if you just said what you thought when you post something?
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You don't need to track every detail and every post to see how it's linked to the OP and not just jump in with implying racism because of his name.

The issue is if certain nationalities bring more of a risk of crime then surely there should be extra vetting / processing? Of course not everybody from Somalia or Sudan is going to be a criminal but if overall people from particular nationalities are 10, 20 or 30 times more likely to go to prison than a British person then surely something needs to be looked at?

I'm not excusing anything by saying "it's their culture" as clearly the culture is wrong but if you throw 10 blokes in a house in a street where the culture is completely different to the country they are from then you are likely to get issues. Then you also have the mental health side, if some of the people have actually seen their families blown up (or things like this) then they are going to have massive amounts of PTSD as well. Again, this isn't an excuse it is more probably cause.
 
DT-R

DT-R

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Sky Blue Pete said:
You don’t want his to lose his liberty as punishment

Sudan is pretty much a failed state

servjng his sentence
If he’s deported Sudan is a failed state and his punishment is not certain that’s the point I’m making
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He wont get "punishment" in Sudan, but wont have a bed, 3 meals a day, and the safety of a prison cell. Only to be released in 5 years with a council house or hotel, with money in his pocket and a phone in his pocket. All of which is paid for by us.... the law abiding citizens born in this country, working 40+ hours a week. Fuck them! They wont get punishment as such, but losing the benefits this country offers him, is punishment enough, as long as we get rid! 1 less nonce illegal on our streets!

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DT-R

DT-R

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SBAndy said:
A) ‘Muslim’ isn’t a language.
B) Must have missed the memo where we went all pure-blood.
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I never said Muslim is a language you fucking cretin! Trying to make me look stupid.... read it again!!!! SUDANE SPEAKING Muslim. A Muslim who speaks SUDANESE!!!! Dick head!

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mmttww

mmttww

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Nick said:
You don't need to track every detail and every post to see how it's linked to the OP and not just jump in with implying racism because of his name.
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You could've just explained why you thought the two were linked. I re-read the article from page 1 and the two rapists were Afghan, so I'm assuming you've linked them because they're all immigrants rather than that they share a nationality. I don't think doing deep dives on offending rates gets us closer to sorting it out, I'd rather we just find a way of sorting the mess for good.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Sky Blue Pete said:
If we deport without agreement there’s no guarantee he will serve my time for his crimes.
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What people want with regards to deporting criminals seems to vary massively on a case by case basis.

We want to get the scumbag that ran Keaton over back in the country to face trial. With others we want to get them out of the country and 'back to where they came from'.

And thats before you even consider complex cases like Shamia Begum.

Its impossible to have laws that cater for all these different requirements.
 
DT-R

DT-R

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SBAndy said:
Good grief you’re an angry person aren’t you.
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Only with people that try and make me look stupid, whilst not even correctly reading what I said! mUSlIM iSnT a LaNgUaGe!!! no fuckimg shit sherlock! Ive been to enough muslim countries to know that!

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DT-R

DT-R

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SBAndy said:
Bad time to tell you that Sudanese also isn’t a language? Hence why I assumed (wrongly, as you’ve pointed out) that the ‘Sudanese’ was the descriptor?
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No, there are about 4 or 5 languages in Sudan. The article didnt specify which language he spoke, only that he spoke (my bad i said Sudanese, but actually says Arabic) and needed an interpreter. Again, Arabic has over 20 languages. Either way, he's a non English speaking Muslim speaking some form of Sudanese language. However you look at it, he's clearly a foreign national, which is the point in was making from.the start

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Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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DT-R said:
He wont get "punishment" in Sudan, but wont have a bed, 3 meals a day, and the safety of a prison cell. Only to be released in 5 years with a council house or hotel, with money in his pocket and a phone in his pocket. All of which is paid for by us.... the law abiding citizens born in this country, working 40+ hours a week. Fuck them! They wont get punishment as such, but losing the benefits this country offers him, is punishment enough, as long as we get rid! 1 less nonce illegal on our streets!

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Please educate yourself
 
SBAndy

SBAndy

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DT-R said:
No, there are about 4 or 5 languages in Sudan. The article didnt specify which language he spoke, only that he spoke (my bad i said Sudanese, but actually says Arabic) and needed an interpreter. Again, Arabic has over 20 languages. Either way, he's a non English speaking Muslim speaking some form of Sudanese language. However you look at it, he's clearly a foreign national, which is the point in was making from.the start

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In which case, I refer you to part B) of my initial post.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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DT-R said:
Care to elaborate?

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Yep on the deportation process

and all this

He wont get "punishment" in Sudan, but wont have a bed, 3 meals a day, and the safety of a prison cell. Only to be released in 5 years with a council house or hotel, with money in his pocket and a phone in his pocket. All of which is paid for by us.... the law abiding citizens born in this country, working 40+ hours a week. Fuck them! They wont get punishment as such, but losing the benefits this country offers him, is punishment enough, as long as we get rid! 1 less nonce illegal on our streets!
 
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