Wilson starting on the opening day (3 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

You suggested Collins was better than Wilson so I don’t think your suggestions carry much credence

No way?!

 

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[clint van damme]

I'd wager it's because we play more attacking football and so there is naturally more space at the back.

Lampard isn't going to change his philosophy so we're best off finding someone who can make saves.

And we played a high line with only one genuinely pacey defender, I think that will be addressed.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

No way?!

Yes he did some of his groundbreaking analysis when Dovin got injured and Collins was his conclusion

 

[Saddlebrains]

I think we will have Wilson starting until Dovins fit

And that will cost us points. Not as many as having the absolute flid that is Collins though. Hopefully yesterday's sides show Collinsnhas been told to get to fuck

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Some of the comments in this thread are more triggering than people defending packing your own 6 yard box at corners

 

[shmmeee]

Genuine question - how then were we a coin flip away from promotion with Wilson in goal?

Because we had one of the worlds best strikers and the Championships best midfielder and eight others who would walk through walls to stop the ball getting near the goal.

 

[Kingokings204]

I think we will have Wilson starting until Dovins fit

And that will cost us points. Not as many as having the absolute flid that is Collins though. Hopefully yesterday's sides show Collinsnhas been told to get to fuck

Hope you are wrong . I would be seriously disappointed with this. If Collins goes maybe that might change Lampards mind and frees up a space

 

[peteCCFC]

I think we will have Wilson starting until Dovins fit

And that will cost us points. Not as many as having the absolute flid that is Collins though. Hopefully yesterday's sides show Collinsnhas been told to get to fuck

I thought you had beers with him?

 

[clint van damme]

Because we had one of the worlds best strikers and the Championships best midfielder and eight others who would walk through walls to stop the ball getting near the goal.

He still had a decent PSXG.
He was better that season than he gets credit for, though it was clearly an anomaly.

 

[Yorkshire SB]

Because we had one of the worlds best strikers and the Championships best midfielder and eight others who would walk through walls to stop the ball getting near the goal.

Despite that striker not scoring in any of the play off games, and Wilson only conceded 1 in 3 games, and that goal was due to a defensive error.

 

[CCFCAnalysis]

I'd wager it's because we play more attacking football and so there is naturally more space at the back.

Lampard isn't going to change his philosophy so we're best off finding someone who can make saves.

Leeds played attacking football and had plenty of space at the back too. And had an underperforming keeper. Didn’t stop them


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[shmmeee]

Despite that striker not scoring in any of the play off games, and Wilson only conceded 1 in 3 games, and that goal was due to a defensive error.

Sporting made a huge mistake

 

[ccfc1234]

Leeds played attacking football and had plenty of space at the back too. And had an underperforming keeper. Didn’t stop them


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He is better than Wilson.

@Ccfcisparks I wonder if a sub pole could be created along the lines of "would you be happy with Wilson as number 1 until January" as that's the reality of the situation as I don't really mind him playing against Hull, but that's not really the full picture.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Leeds played attacking football and had plenty of space at the back too. And had an underperforming keeper. Didn’t stop them


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Also had a team stacked with cheat codes

 

[CCFCAnalysis]

You suggested Collins was better than Wilson so I don’t think your suggestions carry much credence

Not quite what I said.

My point was that Collins at his best is significantly better than Wilson, whilst also saying that Collins can be absolutely terrible when his confidence goes.

An ok Wilson wasn’t going to get us promoted. The Collins of winter/early spring 24/25, if he could have performed like that again, might of made a real difference. Was the best keeper in the league at the point in terms of making saves, and he’s also good with his feet.



If you want a very average keeper for a sustained period, Wilson is your man. Won’t do a lot right, won’t do a lot wrong.

Collins can be exceptional, and also absolutely shite


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[Ccfcisparks]

Not quite what I said.

My point was that Collins at his best is significantly better than Wilson, whilst also saying that Collins can be absolutely terrible when his confidence goes.

An ok Wilson wasn’t going to get us promoted. The Collins of winter/early spring 24/25, if he could have performed like that again, might of made a real difference. Was the best keeper in the league at the point in terms of making saves, and he’s also good with his feet.



If you want a very average keeper for a sustained period, Wilson is your man. Won’t do a lot right, won’t do a lot wrong.

Collins can be exceptional, and also absolutely shite


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I haven’t ever seen any evidence of an exceptional Collins

 

[Deity]

Not quite what I said.

My point was that Collins at his best is significantly better than Wilson, whilst also saying that Collins can be absolutely terrible when his confidence goes.

An ok Wilson wasn’t going to get us promoted. The Collins of winter/early spring 24/25, if he could have performed like that again, might of made a real difference. Was the best keeper in the league at the point in terms of making saves, and he’s also good with his feet.



If you want a very average keeper for a sustained period, Wilson is your man. Won’t do a lot right, won’t do a lot wrong.

Collins can be exceptional, and also absolutely shite


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We dont want either of those options ….

 

[CCFCAnalysis]

I haven’t ever seen any evidence of an exceptional Collins

This period

A spell of 31 saves, with 4 conceeded. Stoke through to Sheff Wed.

Even in the Luton game recently, he made 7 saves before the howler. Wilson has never managed 7 saves in a game at any point of his career

Short memories


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[Viktor17]

This period

A spell of 31 saves, with 4 conceeded. Stoke through to Sheff Wed.

Even in the Luton game recently, he made 7 saves before the howler. Wilson has never managed 7 saves in a game at any point of his career

Short memories


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Agree with above, through this period he was decent.

however started unraveling from sheff Wednesday away for me when he palmed that shot into danger.

ita gone so badly now I don’t think there’s a way back, last season showed that.

Mentally for his good he needs to go. There’s no way back now.

Wilson starts unless we get someone in.

 

[Cally Fedora]

Ability aside the presence and confidence of a keeper can have a huge impact on the team as a whole. Collins looks petrified and ponderous. Only able to perform in the split second no thought scenario. Wilson looks confident and in control. It makes a difference

 

[Deity]

Ability aside the presence and confidence of a keeper can have a huge impact on the team as a whole. Collins looks petrified and ponderous. Only able to perform in the split second no thought scenario. Wilson looks confident and in control. It makes a difference

But Wilson’s positioning is very suspect

 

[Skybluedownunder]

I think we will have Wilson starting until Dovins fit

And that will cost us points. Not as many as having the absolute flid that is Collins though. Hopefully yesterday's sides show Collinsnhas been told to get to fuck

Collins wasn’t even first choice at Barnsley at the time we signed him, I don’t understand who thought that would be a good decision.

Surely this wasn’t another Adi recommendation was it?


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[Yorkshire SB]

Sporting made a huge mistake

I’m just pointing out that we’ve done ok with Wilson in net, and that you can’t fluke your way to 22 clean sheets in a season. I’d prefer a better keeper but if Wilson is in net I don’t think it’s the disaster some are saying.

The stats show he’s a ok keeper for the level but has v poor distribution, hence why Robins and Lampard have favoured other keepers.

 

[Lamps]

Wilson is mediocre and if we’re accepting that for half a season at one of the most important positions on the pitch then we’d be accepting a mediocre finish.

Or expect us to be 3 points from the relegation battle then go on a run like last season once Dovin comes back....

 

[covcity4life]

Not quite what I said.

My point was that Collins at his best is significantly better than Wilson, whilst also saying that Collins can be absolutely terrible when his confidence goes.

An ok Wilson wasn’t going to get us promoted. The Collins of winter/early spring 24/25, if he could have performed like that again, might of made a real difference. Was the best keeper in the league at the point in terms of making saves, and he’s also good with his feet.



If you want a very average keeper for a sustained period, Wilson is your man. Won’t do a lot right, won’t do a lot wrong.

Collins can be exceptional, and also absolutely shite


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Yeah I think it's obvious Collins has a higher ceiling than Wilson. Which is why I could see him starting if he stays here.

But it's mental with him and only he can resolve that

 

[Sick Boy]

Yeah I think it's obvious Collins has a higher ceiling than Wilson. Which is why I could see him starting if he stays here.

But it's mental with him and only he can resolve that

Ability wise he’s better but as you said, he seems to collapse mentally after a small mistake. Wilson was clearly 3rd choice keeper so it’s always possible Collins starts as number #1 if they think they can sort him out.

 

[Cally Fedora]

But Wilson’s positioning is very suspect

I agree. But at least he conveys the image that he can make saves.

 

[Lamps]

I think we will have Wilson starting until Dovins fit

And that will cost us points. Not as many as having the absolute flid that is Collins though. Hopefully yesterday's sides show Collinsnhas been told to get to fuck

What scares me is if Wilson gets injured again after the transfer window closes. We need some kind of insurance policy against being dragged into a relegation battle. I'd prefer Dovin on one leg to Collins.

 

[Sick Boy]

I really wouldn’t be surprised if one of the remaining signings is a keeper.

 

[Captain Dart]

I think we will have Wilson starting until Dovins fit

And that will cost us points. Not as many as having the absolute flid that is Collins though. Hopefully yesterday's sides show Collinsnhas been told to get to fuck

Though maybe the discussion with the player was dealt with in a more conciliatory manner.

 

[Deity]

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What scares me is if Wilson gets injured again after the transfer window closes. We need some kind of insurance policy against being dragged into a relegation battle. I'd prefer Dovin on one leg to Collins.

e would need to lose Wilson, Bell and Dovin at the same time for Collins to play

 

[Ccfcisparks]

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e would need to lose Wilson, Bell and Dovin at the same time for Collins to play

Bell will go out on loan

 

[Lamps]

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e would need to lose Wilson, Bell and Dovin at the same time for Collins to play

Dovin already out. If Wilson has a reoccurrence of his injury last season we would have Collins and Bell. All I really know about Bell is he played 45 minutes and was at fault for one of the goals. He hasn't got the experience you would want for a Championship side but I would still put him in before Collins.

 

[clint van damme]

This period

A spell of 31 saves, with 4 conceeded. Stoke through to Sheff Wed.

Even in the Luton game recently, he made 7 saves before the howler. Wilson has never managed 7 saves in a game at any point of his career

Short memories


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What's the point in making 7 saves if you go to pot for the last 10-15 minutes, eventually dropping a clanger?
And that's on top of his other piss poor performances prior to that.

 

[fatso]

Dovin already out. If Wilson has a reoccurrence of his injury last season we would have Collins and Bell. All I really know about Bell is he played 45 minutes and was at fault for one of the goals. He hasn't got the experience you would want for a Championship side but I would still put him in before Collins.

A cardboard cut out of Dovin would be better than Collins.

If we dont bring in another keeper before the season starts I think it's fair to say we arnt going to try for automatic promotion (if that was ever a realistic option)