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alexccfc99

alexccfc99

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Saddlebrains said:
In all seriousness surely United are at real risk of relegation in the next couple of seasons?

They won't spend big under Ratcliffe, they have no European football, players now know the club's on its arse and won't join, the fans are at loggerheads, and overall they are an absolutely piss poor side

Let's hope the 3 that go up arent as embarrassing as this years and make it interesting
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Leeds will make more of a fist of it than the 3 promoted teams this season in my opinion
 
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Saddlebrains said:
In all seriousness surely United are at real risk of relegation in the next couple of seasons?

They won't spend big under Ratcliffe, they have no European football, players now know the club's on its arse and won't join, the fans are at loggerheads, and overall they are an absolutely piss poor side

Let's hope the 3 that go up arent as embarrassing as this years and make it interesting
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They’re in no danger of relegation in the next couple of seasons. They have more than enough spending power and talent on the books to outflank the three promoted teams at a minimum every year. So it’s proved this season.
 
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SBT said:
They’re in no danger of relegation in the next couple of seasons. They have more than enough spending power and talent on the books to outflank the three promoted teams at a minimum every year. So it’s proved this season.
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Yeah, they've been shocking this season but unfortunately just can't see them being as poor next year.
Would love them to actually be relegated, but probably finish mid table
 
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AOM said:
Yeah, they've been shocking this season but unfortunately just can't see them being as poor next year.
Would love them to actually be relegated, but probably finish mid table
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They’ve been managed badly for several years now, but I would argue their poor performance in the PL is as much down to the improving standards in the rest of the Premier League as it is due to them being out-and-out shit (as evidenced by them managing to make a European final at all!)

They may very well be a mid-table side for some time unless something changes.
 
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Saddlebrains

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SBT said:
They’re in no danger of relegation in the next couple of seasons. They have more than enough spending power and talent on the books to outflank the three promoted teams at a minimum every year. So it’s proved this season.
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Thing is though the club is rotten from top to bottom

I dont see how they recover back to their glory days ever tbh
 
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Saddlebrains said:
In all seriousness surely United are at real risk of relegation in the next couple of seasons?

They won't spend big under Ratcliffe, they have no European football, players now know the club's on its arse and won't join, the fans are at loggerheads, and overall they are an absolutely piss poor side

Let's hope the 3 that go up arent as embarrassing as this years and make it interesting
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Outstanding to watch.

Likely will for the rest of my life hold a bitterness towards them for last years SF and then subsequent behaviour of *some fans after.
 
rob9872

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Saddlebrains said:
Thing is though the club is rotten from top to bottom

I dont see how they recover back to their glory days ever tbh
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Would have said the same about Liverpool, but they have history and it will go in cycles, it just will take a bit longer to be their turn again this time.

What's hampering them is expecting instant success for the owners and shareholders. They need a clear long term strategy and plan, an identity even, yet all they do is swap the manager rinse and repeat. Deluded fans who remember the glory years are part of the problem. If they accept their current place (and I don't mean 16th) as one fighting to achieve European entry along with Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford etc embrace it and take incremental steps, they'll have a better chance of success than thinking they should win the league next year, but we all know United fans and that's unrealistic.
 
Saddlebrains

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Financially they will always be a powerhouse.
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I think people forget the likes of Forest, Leeds etc from back in the day

Winning European trophies and leagues etc, to then disappear into the wilderness for decades

I know football is different now, but there's deffo precedent in football for once dominant powerhouses to fall to shit
 
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Saddlebrains said:
I think people forget the likes of Forest, Leeds etc from back in the day

Winning European trophies and leagues etc, to then disappear into the wilderness for decades

I know football is different now, but there's deffo precedent in football for once dominant powerhouses to fall to shit
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They are on a completely different planet to Leeds and Forest.

Who are the precedents? I don’t see them being in the “wilderness for decades” unless there’s some kind of financial irregularity at work.
 
SkyBlueCharlie9

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Diogenes said:
I work in MCR and can actually see OT from my office. I have no issue with the real Man U supporters they are a decent if arrogant bunch but i can't get past all the plastic reds that I had to put up with when I was younger. Add that to the absolute pond life that own the club. I felt for ETH who i thought was a decent bloke but shoddily treated by the club, Amorim im not sure about but hes on a hiding to nothing. No, fuck them I hope they get twatted.
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Im glad they are owned by 'pondlife'. Deserve all they get.
 
Saddlebrains

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They are on a completely different planet to Leeds and Forest.

Who are the precedents? I don’t see them being in the “wilderness for decades” unless there’s some kind of financial irregularity at work.
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They're that skint Ratcliffes been shedding staff left right and centre and announced to the world they would have gone out of business if he hadn't done what hes done

For me there's no such thing as 'to big to fail'. Clearly you disagree which is sound, but they've been wank for years now, and they are getting worse and worse every month

There's only so long you can keep regressing
 
olderskyblue

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I remember them being relegated to “division 2” in the early 70’s. They were the richest club in football at the time. (Probably)
 
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SBT

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Saddlebrains said:
They're that skint Ratcliffes been shedding staff left right and centre and announced to the world they would have gone out of business if he hadn't done what hes done

For me there's no such thing as 'to big to fail'. Clearly you disagree which is sound, but they've been wank for years now, and they are getting worse and worse every month

There's only so long you can keep regressing
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It serves Ratcliffe’s interests to claim they’re skint, but they will always be a commercial juggernaut with a greater ability to raise funds than most teams in Europe. There’s no precedent for a team of their size to fall into obscurity.
 
alexccfc99

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They’re in no danger of relegation in the next couple of seasons. They have more than enough spending power and talent on the books to outflank the three promoted teams at a minimum every year. So it’s proved this season.
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I genuinely don’t think they do, they’ve still got instalments to pay on the woeful players they’ve purchased in years gone by, with no European money coming in, a decrease in revenue, sponsorship will go down

They’ve been shite by their standards since fergie left, but they’ve always had something to cling too, a European run, a cup run, getting to the Top 4 - I don’t even think they’ve started being shit yet, I think that has set them back years yesterday and they are destined for mediocrity for a long time - they had to win that game for me and I thought they’d find an extra 10% to win that yesterday but they just didn’t show up
 
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alexccfc99 said:
I genuinely don’t think they do, they’ve still got instalments to pay on the woeful players they’ve purchased in years gone by, with no European money coming in, a decrease in revenue, sponsorship will go down
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If their revenues cut in half overnight there would still only be half a dozen clubs in the PL taking in more money.
 
alexccfc99

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If their revenues cut in half overnight there would still only be half a dozen clubs in the PL taking in more money.
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They are currently 16th with the revenue they have got at the moment...

They will not just be able to buy their way out of trouble, it will be a long and tough road involving them clearing a lot of deadwood and buying smart and prudently in the transfer market - They can forget Gyokeres as even if he wanted to go there I doubt they could afford him
 
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And a fine to pay to Adidas for not being in the Champions League 2 seasons in a row as part of the kit sponsorship contract. Think it might "only" be £10m but still another thing to add to the list
 
alexccfc99

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Diogenes said:
I work in MCR and can actually see OT from my office. I have no issue with the real Man U supporters they are a decent if arrogant bunch but i can't get past all the plastic reds that I had to put up with when I was younger. Add that to the absolute pond life that own the club. I felt for ETH who i thought was a decent bloke but shoddily treated by the club, Amorim im not sure about but hes on a hiding to nothing. No, fuck them I hope they get twatted.
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If reports are to be believed he didn't want to take the job till this summer as the players they have got are so woefully suited to his system he knew it wouldn't work in the short term... but United effectively said take it now or don't at all

For what it is worth I like Amorim and think he has a bit about him but that club needs root and branch surgery, whilst a club like Man Utd never wants to effectively write a season off before Xmas they should have just given someone the reins on an interim basis or even just stick it out with Ten Hag and let him start in the summer - I think he has been handed a bit of a hiding to nothing which has not only damaged his stock but United in the short term as well, I think he has enough about him to assemble a decent side together though and hope they stick with him
 
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Saddlebrains said:
Thing is though the club is rotten from top to bottom

I dont see how they recover back to their glory days ever tbh
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A huge fan base made almost entirely of glory hunters. As they slowly start to die off mixed in with the glory now being found on the blue side of the city, you could be right. Unless they get a mega rich Saudi owner in the very near future to level them up, i think you could be right. It'll be a slow death, but one the entire nation will enjoy watching.

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