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[Captain Dart]

Do you reckon grand parents in the early 1800’s were pissed off that their kids and grandkids took the smallpox vaccine for granted?

Just so you understand the science a bit better, this technique is of course much refined from those used in the early 1800s where the lymph was not administered by injection but into cuts in the recipients arm.



“What is called ‘pure glycerinated calf lymph’ is the lineal descendant, for vaccination purposes, of cow-pox, horse grease, swine-pox, donkey-pox, goat-pox, buffalo-pox, humanized lymph, chloroformed calf lymph and a few other beastly poisons. The above photo shows how calves are outraged in order to obtain it. The abdomen is shaved, and then stabbed from 100 to 120 times with a spear-headed lancet blade. The wretched animal, thus mutilated, is thrust back into its stall, and its head and legs tied to prevent it licking or scratching its wounds. After six days agony, the poor calf is subjected to another revolting piece of barbarism. The healing scabs are scraped from its wounds and the filthy exuding matter collected into a gruelly mass. It is then mixed with glycerine, which is a nutritive medium for the growth of petrifactive and other germs which invade the whole of the fluid. This dangerous concoction is then put into tubes and injected into the bodies of babies, and adults who wish to enter the military, naval, civil, railway, and other services. The calves are sold to butchers at a cheap rate, and afterwards eaten by the public. In the above photo workmen are seen scraping the calf’s sores open to collect the poison.”

“Vaccination the Foul Invention of Hell,” Leaves of Healing, vol. XXXV, No. 14, January 2, 1915, p. 316.

 

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[MalcSB]

Do you reckon grand parents in the early 1800’s were pissed off that their kids and grandkids took the smallpox vaccine for granted?

It’s the ignoring these things as contributing to standard of living. They might not be how you would like your standard of living to be improved but that doesn’t mean it isn’t an improvement.

 

[MalcSB]

Just so you understand the science a bit better, this technique is of course much refined from those used in the early 1800s where the lymph was not administered by injection but into cuts in the recipients arm.


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“What is called ‘pure glycerinated calf lymph’ is the lineal descendant, for vaccination purposes, of cow-pox, horse grease, swine-pox, donkey-pox, goat-pox, buffalo-pox, humanized lymph, chloroformed calf lymph and a few other beastly poisons. The above photo shows how calves are outraged in order to obtain it. The abdomen is shaved, and then stabbed from 100 to 120 times with a spear-headed lancet blade. The wretched animal, thus mutilated, is thrust back into its stall, and its head and legs tied to prevent it licking or scratching its wounds. After six days agony, the poor calf is subjected to another revolting piece of barbarism. The healing scabs are scraped from its wounds and the filthy exuding matter collected into a gruelly mass. It is then mixed with glycerine, which is a nutritive medium for the growth of petrifactive and other germs which invade the whole of the fluid. This dangerous concoction is then put into tubes and injected into the bodies of babies, and adults who wish to enter the military, naval, civil, railway, and other services. The calves are sold to butchers at a cheap rate, and afterwards eaten by the public. In the above photo workmen are seen scraping the calf’s sores open to collect the poison.”

“Vaccination the Foul Invention of Hell,” Leaves of Healing, vol. XXXV, No. 14, January 2, 1915, p. 316.

Covid vaccine very different kettle of fish but damned by many to the point of falsifying certificates.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Just so you understand the science a bit better, this technique is of course much refined from those used in the early 1800s where the lymph was not administered by injection but into cuts in the recipients arm.


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“What is called ‘pure glycerinated calf lymph’ is the lineal descendant, for vaccination purposes, of cow-pox, horse grease, swine-pox, donkey-pox, goat-pox, buffalo-pox, humanized lymph, chloroformed calf lymph and a few other beastly poisons. The above photo shows how calves are outraged in order to obtain it. The abdomen is shaved, and then stabbed from 100 to 120 times with a spear-headed lancet blade. The wretched animal, thus mutilated, is thrust back into its stall, and its head and legs tied to prevent it licking or scratching its wounds. After six days agony, the poor calf is subjected to another revolting piece of barbarism. The healing scabs are scraped from its wounds and the filthy exuding matter collected into a gruelly mass. It is then mixed with glycerine, which is a nutritive medium for the growth of petrifactive and other germs which invade the whole of the fluid. This dangerous concoction is then put into tubes and injected into the bodies of babies, and adults who wish to enter the military, naval, civil, railway, and other services. The calves are sold to butchers at a cheap rate, and afterwards eaten by the public. In the above photo workmen are seen scraping the calf’s sores open to collect the poison.”

“Vaccination the Foul Invention of Hell,” Leaves of Healing, vol. XXXV, No. 14, January 2, 1915, p. 316.

RFK Junior wants his conspiracist garbage back

 

[Ian1779]

It’s the ignoring these things as contributing to standard of living. They might not be how you would like your standard of living to be improved but that doesn’t mean it isn’t an improvement.

It’s not ignoring as they don’t really know any different.
Why are some people so fixated on trying pull up the ladder for the younger generation?

 

[shmmeee]

 

[MalcSB]

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How much on the left hand side is / was culmination of Blair government policy including net million immigration competing for housing?

Plus encouraging university education for “everyone”,at a cost even when it may not really be in their best interests?

I don’t want or need your cheap electronics, so no deal,I’m afraid.

Job security made me laugh, been made redundant 3 times.

I'm sure there were homeless people and renters 50 years ago.

It wasn’t necessarily the golden age you want to paint it as.

 

[shmmeee]

How much on the left hand side is / was culmination of Blair government policy including net million immigration competing for housing?

Plus encouraging university education for “everyone”,at a cost even when it may not really be in their best interests?

I don’t want or need your cheap electronics, so no deal,I’m afraid.

Job security made me laugh, been made redundant 3 times.

Blair never let net a million people in that was Boris under the Ukraine Afghanistan and Hong Kong deals. And house prices started rising well before EE countries entered the EU, by at least a decade.

 

[MalcSB]

Blair never let net a million people in that was Boris under the Ukraine Afghanistan and Hong Kong deals. And house prices started rising well before EE countries entered the EU, by at least a decade.

I put culmination of policy. I expect that Thatcher’s right to buy didn’t help either with any of it. Ultimately house prices will reflect supply and demand, increased population has occurred. Supply has been limited in part by concerns about bats and great crested newts. Put human beings first!

The unusually low interest rates will also have contributed to increasing house prices, as will frozen stamp duty fees. Both of which would normally have been seen as consumer benefits.

Cant win really.

 

[Grendel]

Blair never let net a million people in that was Boris under the Ukraine Afghanistan and Hong Kong deals. And house prices started rising well before EE countries entered the EU, by at least a decade.

The net migration flow during his tenure was well over a million

 

[Sick Boy]

Not sure what this means.

Have a Guardian article (liberals like those)

Having children may make you more conservative, study finds

Research offers possibility that a decline in the birthrate contributes to liberalisation

www.theguardian.com

And an AI overview.

You won’t like that because it doesn’t back up your assertion.

Ahh yes because the AI Overviews are never wrong.

17 cringe-worthy Google AI answers demonstrate the problem with training on the entire web

From dangerous medical advice to extremist disinformation.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[PVA]

The net migration flow during his tenure was well over a million

Over 10 years yes.

Johnson managed it in just over one year.

 

[MalcSB]

Over 10 years yes.

Johnson managed it in just over one year.

Events dear boy, events.

Not boomers fault per se, we lived through and responded to different sets of events.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Blair never let net a million people in that was Boris under the Ukraine Afghanistan and Hong Kong deals. And house prices started rising well before EE countries entered the EU, by at least a decade.

House prices went up from around 98. Imo the culprit for that was lending rules and the rise of the buy to let "investor". One of the Labour government's biggest sins.

 

[Captain Dart]

RFK Junior wants his conspiracist garbage back

You might disagree with the tone and intent of it's language but are you claiming the historical article I posted contains untruths and the methodology was different to that described?

 

[wingy]

House prices went up from around 98. Imo the culprit for that was lending rules and the rise of the buy to let "investor". One of the Labour government's biggest sins.

Yes one of Gordon Brown's not so great moment's,and I think he wanted to go further.

 

[shmmeee]

None of it would matter if we built enough homes. You want BtL investors out? Flood the market and make their investment worthless. You don’t want immigration rising prices? Build more. We need to build more anyway, we’re just rather destroy the country and the economy than have a semi built on a farmers field.

 

[Grendel]

None of it would matter if we built enough homes. You want BtL investors out? Flood the market and make their investment worthless. You don’t want immigration rising prices? Build more. We need to build more anyway, we’re just rather destroy the country and the economy than have a semi built on a farmers field.

“Build baby Build”

 

[Captain Dart]

House prices went up from around 98. Imo the culprit for that was lending rules and the rise of the buy to let "investor". One of the Labour government's biggest sins.

I can assure you they were going up quite rapidly well before then, looking at the linked information below house prices have regular peaks and troughs, I bought my first house in the mid 80s while the market was going up but before the peak, right now we appear to be in a trough.

UK Real House Prices Adjusted For Inflation (From 1975 - 2024)

UK Real House Prices Adjusted For Inflation - using Nationwide mortgage data & the Office for National Statistics Retail Price Index (RPI).

www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk

 

[The Philosopher]

Mostly breaking up abusive relationships is best for all involved, non standard arrangements like gay and lesbian parents or single parents are better recognised and supported. Child tax credits, child benefit and enforcing child maintenance has made a significant impact on child poverty rates.

Right,

Child tax credits, child benefit and so on has nothing at all to do with liberalism. That’s social support. Libya, under Gaddafi, had wide ranging social support. Was he a torchbearer for liberalism?

No.

Don’t fall into the trap of saying that social security = liberalism. It doesn’t.

Try again?

 

[The Philosopher]

The rights idea of “family” seems to be “my wife can’t divorce me and my kids can’t learn stuff I don’t teach them”, which belies a certain lack of confidence in your own family maintaining abilities.

“The “Right” believe that their wife can’t divorce them and kids can only learn stuff…”

Really?

You know that’s an incredible statement.

Those are perhaps, fundamental Islamic beliefs. Take the Anderton Park incident as a case in point.

Now,

Are you saying that these Islamic beliefs are “far right”.

Let’s have an answer……

 

[The Philosopher]

RFK Junior wants his conspiracist garbage back

Dismissing RFK Junior as a conspiracist is the typical playbook of a virtue-signaller.

Prove to me that his claims about chemicals in the food supply and the links to obesity, diabetes, autism, etc are a conspiracy theory…..

Should be so easy for you to prove…..

 

[The Philosopher]

With regards to liberalism, it should never be confused with socialism or classic liberalism. Only dopes confuse the above.

Conservative values (Oxford definition):

(in a political context) favouring free enterprise, private ownership, and sociallytraditional ideas.

Socially traditional values have roots in the Church, that marriage is sacred, men and women are different but equal, and so on

Liberals struggle to identify what a women is and preach about equality when really they want to oppress those they don’t agree with.

Let’s demonstrate:

Folks on here that think they are “progressive” and “better”

Do you agree that these church must be made to marry same-sex couples.

Have that answer in your mind.

Then:

Do you agree with equality?

Have that answer

Then:

Should we enforce mosques to end congregational segregation and enforce them to permit same-sex marriage.

Answers with reasoning please

(my bet is I’ll get no answer but waffle and screechy whataboutery)

 

[duffer]

Dismissing RFK Junior as a conspiracist is the typical playbook of a virtue-signaller.

Prove to me that his claims about chemicals in the food supply and the links to obesity, diabetes, autism, etc are a conspiracy theory…..

Should be so easy for you to prove…..

You're making the claim, or at least supporting it. The burden of proof lies on you.

Where are the Peer Reviewed studies that support any of these claims. Links please, or it's simply uninformed opinion.

You can warble on for England, but when it comes to actual science you and all of the other wibbling conspiracy theorists haven't got a clue.

 

[The Philosopher]

You're making the claim, or at least supporting it. The burden of proof lies on you.

Where are the Peer Reviewed studies that support any of these claims. Links please, or it's simply uninformed opinion.

You can warble on for England, but when it comes to actual science you and all of the other wibbling conspiracy theorists haven't got a clue.

That’s a sad answer.

I’m making no claim.

Where am I making a claim?

The poster claimed RFK was a conspiracy theorist.

Anyone with an ounce of integrity knows that the burden of proof is on the accuser.

Classic deflection tactics employed there. Shame.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Well this is awkward

Rachel Reeves says UK economy 'beginning to turn a corner'

The economy grew faster than expected between January and March, before UK and US tax rises were brought in during April.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[PVA]

Well this is awkward

Rachel Reeves says UK economy 'beginning to turn a corner'

The economy grew faster than expected between January and March, before UK and US tax rises were brought in during April.

www.bbc.co.uk

But Rachel from accounts made a mistake on her LinkedIn profile

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

But Rachel from accounts made a mistake on her LinkedIn profile

And is awful at everything she does and touches

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You might disagree with the tone and intent of it's language but are you claiming the historical article I posted contains untruths and the methodology was different to that described?

The early days of modern medicine prior to it becoming a more regulated industry I can believe things being done in ways we wouldn’t do now. The technology however was lifesaving for huge numbers of people.

 

[MalcSB]

None of it would matter if we built enough homes. You want BtL investors out? Flood the market and make their investment worthless. You don’t want immigration rising prices? Build more. We need to build more anyway, we’re just rather destroy the country and the economy than have a semi built on a farmers field.

There seems to be plenty of house building going on around where I live. Ex mining area so I’ve seen some extensive subsidence damage! In brand new houses.

There has also been quite a lot of BtL antagonistic policies as well, such as changes in taxation approach and the EPC requirements. BtL investors pulling out will probably have unintended consequence. Shortage of rental properties and this that are available having high rental fees. Houses released to the market not necessarily finding the intended buyers.

Apparently real house prices are in a trough now (thank you @Captain Dart ).But still not good enough. Prices in a trough, interest rates reducing - should be perfect conditions for you all.

 

[MalcSB]

The early days of modern medicine prior to it becoming a more regulated industry I can believe things being done in ways we wouldn’t do now. The technology however was lifesaving for huge numbers of people.

Your last sentence is the key point.

 

[mmttww]

Classic deflection tactics employed there. Shame.

jfc the irony of some of the things you post!

I was up for a debate on the point you made about family units but if this is how it's gonna go down, nah. I hope you're trolling out of boredom because the alternative explanations for it are grim.

 

[shmmeee]

There seems to be plenty of house building going on around where I live. Ex mining area so I’ve seen some extensive subsidence damage!

There has also been quite a lot of BtL antagonistic policies as well, such as changes in taxation approach and the EPC requirements. BtL investors pulling out will probably have unintended consequence. Shortage of rental properties and this that are available having high rental fees. Houses released to the market not necessarily finding the intended buyers.

Apparently real house prices are in a trough now (thank you @Captain Dart ).But still not good enough. Prices in a trough, interest rates reducing - should be perfect conditions for you all.

Who are “the intended buyers”? Such a weird phrase. If there’s demand for houses build enough for everyone then you don’t have to ration out to buyer you deem worthy.

 

[The Philosopher]

jfc the irony of some of the things you post!

I was up for a debate on the point you made about family units but if this is how it's gonna go down, nah. I hope you're trolling out of boredom because the alternative explanations for it are grim.

You really weren’t.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Your last sentence is the key point.

Dr Jenner tested his cowpox vaccine on a young boy. Not how we would go about it now but that led the way for ridding the world of a horrible illness.