Match Thread Sunderland - Coventry City Match Thread - Tuesday 13th May (77 Viewers)

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Since reverting to a back 4 we've played 6 away games and took 4 points.
We're 20th in the last 6 away form table.
We've heavily dominated possession in 4 of those games, had the majority of possession against Sheffield U and obviously had our backs to the wall v Luton due to the red card. It isnt working on our travels.
If we play the same tactics on Tuesday I fear the outcome will be the same.

You may be right that Lampard has little room for flexibility with the current squad and he's certainly not been helped by the performances of the strikers. But we had more success away with 3 at the back and definitely think we should consider some variation of it for Tuesday, or at least be prepared to switch to it depending on how they're set up.

I have been thinking about that and given how deep Grimes sits why not effectively play him as the third CB? Worry with that is that the FB have to push forward leaving space and we saw they can cause problems in behind with pace.

I'm basically trying to pick 11 players who would be able to either set up as a 4-3-3/4-5-1 if Sunderland play more expansive or to a formation with 2 up top and someone to play as a no10 to try and break a low block should they play that.

If I couldn't do that I'd go fro broke, assume Sunderland would sit back and change the formation as they'd not be expecting it.

 

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[quinn1971]

But they needed to acknowledge that was because they needed to score and he had space. That was never going to happen in the first leg of a play off game.

exactly, Friday wasn’t the game to start him, massive mistake that I thinks done us,

 

[quinn1971]

I understand why Lamps went for BTA. Speed, movement and into the channels but we need to understand our strategy. Do we want more balls pumped into the box in the air from the wings (seeing as we score from headers) or more in the channels inside and narrow. That would help decide on BTA or Simms

But there were no channels to run into, bassette If fit would of done a better job, sunderland We’re rubbing their hands when that team sheet went in, as bad as simms has been he’d of caused them problems with the crosses

 

[Gint11]

Could FL really surprise us all and then by reverting to 5-3-2 like we did when we won 9 in 10?

 

[Gint11]

But there were no channels to run into, bassette If fit would of done a better job, sunderland We’re rubbing their hands when that team sheet went in, as bad as simms has been he’d of caused them problems with the crosses

Agree to an extent but I don’t rate Simms anyway. I tbink there’s much chance he spends 90 mins saying sorry to their centre halves

 

[quinn1971]

Agree to an extent but I don’t rate Simms anyway. I tbink there’s much chance he spends 90 mins saying sorry to their centre halves

He’s only been playing because EMC’s been out But he’d of Given them something to worry about, didn’t get why we changed the team that did so well against Mboro, took a gamble and it didn’t work, worrying not the first time we’ve done it

 

[wince]

Just kick Off at 8 15, simples

 

[quinn1971]

Could FL really surprise us all and then by reverting to 5-3-2 like we did when we won 9 in 10?

Thought that but then youve got to start binks or Lati in there, makes a poor defence even worse, wouldn’t mind seeing Allen start in place of sheaf, go there with the same set up and we’ll struggle like wev,e done away all season. we had to go there with a lead, but you never know, pressures back on them, might be too much for them

 

[Gint11]

He’s only been playing because EMC’s been out But he’d of Given them something to worry about, didn’t get why we changed the team that did so well against Mboro, took a gamble and it didn’t work, worrying not the first time we’ve done it

We did play against Boro but Simms didn’t so I understand him trying it

 

[torchomatic]

Thought that but then youve got to start binks or Lati in there, makes a poor defence even worse, wouldn’t mind seeing Allen start in place of sheaf, go there with the same set up and we’ll struggle like wev,e done away all season. we had to go there with a lead, but you never know, pressures back on them, might be too much for them

I would put Allen in for Sheaf and Simms for BTA. We need more energy and presence and Sheaf/BTA provide neither.

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

We are gonna win this 2-0

 

[quinn1971]

think if we put some better quality crosses in their keepers got one of those Collins moments in him, flapped at one cross and you could see the panic,

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If you can’t cope with the challenge, or even hope to make up a one-goal deficit in 90 minutes, then you may as well call Sunderland now and tell them we’ll forfeit, save everyone the journey.

Personally I think we have a fighting chance.

The signs are we’re going to play the same way as what didn’t work on Friday with the scores level.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

The signs are we’re going to play the same way as what didn’t work on Friday with the scores level.

signs are based on what though

 

[SIR ERNIE]

I mentioned Man City because Pep is seen as the guru of possesion football and even he is talking of a different approach, not because I think we are a Man City clone.

But dominating possesion away from home isn't working.

Been saying for weeks that we should switch to a Burnley style away from home.
No wide men, no expansive football, sit two DMs infront of the CBs and make it hard for the home team to play through us.

 

[Tealeaf]

I was at the match Friday night , & came away disappointed, i was one of those who thought that we would beat them at ease .
So now i have watced the game on TV again . We weren't that bad , only thing missing for me was a little bit of luck that we are used to at home , nothing went are way .
On tuesday night with the belief & lady luck , we are going to Wembley.

 

[chiefdave]

Think there’s a lot of coping and hoping in this thread.

I'm not really getting the 'we just need to do the same and it will all be fine'. Not like Friday was the first time a team has tried those tactics against us. Far worse teams than Sunderland have done it with success.

 

[David O'Day]

In principle I agree, but we're playing a Sunderland with a 1-0 lead who had success by sitting in against us Friday.

They won't sit in anywhere near as deep at home.

 

[quinn1971]

We remind me of how England played in big games, teams are happy for us to have the ball, we don’t create enough,haven’t got that bit of quality to put a clever pass through,

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

signs are based on what though

FL’s comments

 

[AOM]

They have 90 minutes to hang on. Couldn’t do that for 2 minutes on Friday, and it was our own error that gifted them the win. So I’m still in for a city win.

Yeah my thoughts too really.
I'm torn between thinking if they sit back again, it'll be better for us or would I prefer they come out and attack as they're at home.
I just don't think they could park the bus for another 90 and not concede

 

[SBT]

The signs are we’re going to play the same way as what didn’t work on Friday with the scores level.

Ah ok then - there’s always next season I guess. Any plans for Tuesday?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Ah ok then - there’s always next season I guess. Any plans for Tuesday?

Watch the game then turn it off once the first goal is conceded

 

[SBT]

Watch the game then turn it off once the first goal is conceded

Good idea - got a movie suggestion for you if you’re bored:

 

[clint van damme]

They won't sit in anywhere near as deep at home.

Well hopefully but I think that would be a mistake on their part. But that's their problem.

 

[clint van damme]

Ah ok then - there’s always next season I guess. Any plans for Tuesday?

As a ST holder who regularly travels away why would you think he won't be watching even if he's pessimistic about the outcome?
Strange.

 

[SBT]

As a ST holder who regularly travels away why would you think he won't be watching even if he's pessimistic about the outcome?
Strange.

Because he’s literally just said he’s planning to turn off!

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

Lampard has been here before with Derby when they went into the game a goal down in the Frist leg

I trust we will give it a go, get a goal early doors and then that will put the pressure on them to change tactics

Confident we can take it to extra time, after then who knows

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[quinn1971]

Well hopefully but I think that would be a mistake on their part. But that's their problem.

just the timing of that second goal, pretty sure if they scored that earlier we’d of got a 2nd We played ok. The only annoying thing was all the balls into the box they cleared seemed to go to their players, the only time it didn’t it fell to,Allen at the end and nearly scored, play the same again and you never know, pretty sure we’ll score just hope it first then game on,

 

[Sick Boy]

Lampard has been here before with Derby when they went into the game a goal down in the Frist leg

I trust we will give it a go, get a goal early doors and then that will put the pressure on them to change tactics

Confident we can take it to extra time, after then who knows

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I'm pretty sure they also went a goal down in the second leg as well.

 

[quinn1971]

And what’s happened to sheafs shooting, the way we play we’re hoping balls drop to our players on the edge of the box, he’s had loads of chances and he’s been awful, but he’s not the only one, wright and simms have been so frustrating, that was embarrassing from wright on Friday, huge game and never looked interested,

 

[clint van damme]

Because he’s literally just said he’s planning to turn off!

I took that a a sarcastic response to your 'any plans for Tuesday' remark.

He's been pessimistic since Friday, (so was I but a bit more hopeful now), don't see what the issue is.

If we do come through the play offs most of us will be expecting to get spanked nearly every week in the top flight.

 

[SBT]

I took that a a sarcastic response to your 'any plans for Tuesday' remark.

He's been pessimistic since Friday, (so was I but a bit more hopeful now), don't see what the issue is.

If we do come through the play offs most of us will be expecting to get spanked nearly every week in the top flight.

Believe it or not, my suggestion to watch Liam Neeson performing as a Scottish national hero wasn’t all that sincere either.

I would say that predicting defeat against the combined might of the Premier League is a bit more grounded in reality than writing off our chances of winning away at Sunderland.

 

[shmmeee]

I would put Allen in …We need more … presence .

Lol

 

[clint van damme]

Believe it or not, my suggestion to watch Liam Neeson performing as a Scottish national hero wasn’t all that sincere either.

I would say that predicting defeat against the combined might of the Premier League is a bit more grounded in reality than writing off our chances of winning away at Sunderland.

But I would say predicting defeat in a game where you're starting from a 1-0 deficit having took 1 point from 15 in your last 5 aways isn't some illogical doomsday scenario either.