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shmmeee

shmmeee

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
There’s a stronger case to tinker with the CM combinations than the strikers to be honest. We need someone in that area who carries the ball, puts more passes into the box and shoots more than Eccles and sheaf currently do.

I was impressed with Torp’s cameo v QPR and if he did that consistently for 90m, week in and week out, he could be the answer to a lot of issues we have. Unfortunately, that inconsistency in and between games is lacking atm.
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Dasilva and Saka are curve ball suggestions as well. Dasilva ball retention is very good as is his link up around the box, and Saka seems to have a good eye for a pass with either foot but not sure if he’s too set as a wide player to come inside.
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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shmmeee said:
Dasilva and Saka are curve ball suggestions as well. Dasilva ball retention is very good as is his link up around the box, and Saka seems to have a good eye for a pass with either foot but not sure if he’s too set as a wide player to come inside.
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As CMs? They have some good traits but we seen what happened with Euros when England put TAA in midfield despite his some of attributes being v suited to the position. Positioning wise, all over the place and think that would happen to JDS and Sakamoto. Sakamoto did play AM v QPR when he came on and it wasn’t his best cameo.

I think Sakamoto thrives when he can pick off defenders in 1v1 situations, he won’t get as many opportunities to do that centrally.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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Potbellypig said:
Reading some of your most recent posts, you've gone for 'this is shit', 'this is tedious' and 'this is ridiculous', closely followed by this post. I'll be honest, I don't think a discussion board is for you.
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The irony
 
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Cov kid 55

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Rudoni is outperforming COH on these metrics this season and indeed last season too. Again, playing for a worse team in both seasons.

This has Rudoni v COH 23/24 and 24/25:

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Is it really worth comparing metrics on two totally different types of player? O’Hare was a total menace to the opposition with his pressing and energy, and his enthusiasm would surely rub off on the players around him. He made things happen and there’s not many in our team doing that at the moment. He may have lost his way a bit towards the end of last season, but it looked to me that he was being frozen out by the club, and when he did play he looked frustrated. If we had perhaps made him feel more wanted then maybe he would have still be with us, and I don’t think we’d be in the position we are now if he was still playing for us.
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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Cov kid 55 said:
Is it really worth comparing metrics on two totally different types of player? O’Hare was a total menace to the opposition with his pressing and energy, and his enthusiasm would surely rub off on the players around him. He made things happen and there’s not many in our team doing that at the moment. He may have lost his way a bit towards the end of last season, but it looked to me that he was being frozen out by the club, and when he did play he looked frustrated. If we had perhaps made him feel more wanted then maybe he would have still be with us, and I don’t think we’d be in the position we are now if he was still playing for us.
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Yes. It is worth it because the stats dispute your characterisation of COH. It was true in the seasons leading up to 22/23 but is no longer the case and is out of date.

Compare the stats with Rudoni and COH this season and you should understand why Sheff U fans are frustrated with him.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
As CMs? They have some good traits but we seen what happened with Euros when England put TAA in midfield despite his some of attributes being v suited to the position. Positioning wise, all over the place and think that would happen to JDS and Sakamoto. Sakamoto did play AM v QPR when he came on and it wasn’t his best cameo.

I think Sakamoto thrives when he can pick off defenders in 1v1 situations, he won’t get as many opportunities to do that centrally.
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Yeah I agree on Saka. I think he wants to play down the line against his fullback.

Just worry about a formation that gives us no options in two key areas.
 
PUSB-We_are_going_up

PUSB-We_are_going_up

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Dropping Eccles over a flailing Sheaf to only play one of them?

You're all absolutely mad. Eccles is probably our best player this season, and was one of the best last season as well.
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I agree but I think this game is calling out for a different approach. With 1 sitting player and 2 8/10 style players rather than a 6/8 in Eccles. Its calling out for something different like Rudi and Torp
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Rudoni is outperforming COH on these metrics this season and indeed last season too. Again, playing for a worse team in both seasons.

This has Rudoni v COH 23/24 and 24/25:

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Player Comparison: Callum O'Hare vs. Jack Rudoni vs. Jack Rudoni vs. Callum O'Hare | FBref.com

Player Comparison: Callum O'Hare vs. Jack Rudoni vs. Jack Rudoni vs. Callum O'Hare
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TBF posters here can only compare O'Hare last season with Rudoni this, and O'Hare outperforms him on the majority of metrics.

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I don't care too much about how O'Hare is doing for Sheffield United as they're a different team playing a different system.
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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fernandopartridge said:
TBF posters here can only compare O'Hare last season with Rudoni this, and O'Hare outperforms him on the majority of metrics.

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I don't care too much about how O'Hare is doing for Sheffield United as they're a different team playing a different system.
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Yes, you’re right that COH outperforms Rudoni on many of the attacking stats on a per 90 basis. This is true, however, COH played less games had a fantastic run of form that is and remains an outlier in his career which can skew the numbers. Particularly on a per 90m basis.

Something you have also factor in is that Rudoni played for a team that finished 23rd. Naturally, his team performances will impact many of those KPIs, to state the obvious, he’d have spent more time out of possession and getting the ball in less advanced positions. So the comparison is difficult because of COH being out for the start of the season and of course Rudoni playing for a horrific side.

24/25 is actually the best data set we have because both players have played similar games and minutes. Frankly, COH’s creative actions (and other things) isn’t great especially considering Sheff U’s position.
 
Domo

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Not to dig up the past - but quick google from his first season at SU
games 19
goal 2

considering he was games 31/ goals 10 for us last season and he was injured for a large part of it.
is he not being used correctly? or something else?
 
Alkhen

Alkhen

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Domo said:
Not to dig up the past - but quick google from his first season at SU
games 19
goal 2

considering he was games 31/ goals 10 for us last season and he was injured for a large part of it.
is he not being used correctly? or something else?
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*Edit, on closer inspection the following is nonsense!*

SU have a far better squad than we had at any point O'Hare was with us. Was always a possibility that he'd struggle for consistent game time with them. Look at Rudoni for us, he took a while and a range of positions to really start showing what he was capable of. Probably helped him that our squad is not that deep so he got game time. O'Hare doesn't get that there.
 
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brinner

brinner

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Domo said:
Not to dig up the past - but quick google from his first season at SU
games 19
goal 2

considering he was games 31/ goals 10 for us last season and he was injured for a large part of it.
is he not being used correctly? or something else?
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He has played in 44 games this season for them. 2 goals 6 assists.
 
Domo

Domo

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Alkhen said:
*Edit, on closer inspection the following is nonsense!*

SU have a far better squad than we had at any point O'Hare was with us. Was always a possibility that he'd struggle for consistent game time with them. Look at Rudoni for us, he took a while and a range of positions to really start showing what he was capable of. Probably helped him that our squad is not that deep so he got game time. O'Hare doesn't get that there.
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tbf you're right, i looked at the stats at the bottom of wiki, but true it is 44 games. either way. 2 goals.
 
Alkhen

Alkhen

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Domo said:
tbf you're right, i looked at the stats at the bottom of wiki, but true it is 44 games. either way. 2 goals.
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Yeah those Wiki game figures can be a bit misleading as literally 1 min late sub appearance counts as a game I believe.

That said regardless of the 641 more mins there is no denying Rudi has had way better output this season
 
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napolimp

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From our point of view shouldn't matter at all what he's done in Sheffield, only really matters what he did for us whilst he was here. Not really a measure of whether it would have been good if he stayed, because he may have had a completely different season here. Glad that he came back from his ACL injury without any hangover.
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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Alkhen said:
Yeah actually I'm talking shite, I thought Cal had been more of a Sub player but he's racked up a decent amount of time on the pitch! Poor numbers this year really.


Cal : 3,159 mins 2 goals 6 assists
Rudi : 3,800 mins 9 goals 13 assists
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Scored 2 goals in a brief period of time, much like for us last season. He is just not a prolific goal scorer and in hindsight, the best case scenario was selling him in Jan 2023 had he not got injured.

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Pretty clear visualisation that Rudoni is a significant upgrade. COH has a better pass % but less progressive and less attempts and touches in the opposition box… with less chances created, shots, goals and xG + xA.

COH leaving in a free was, in hindsight, a net positive because had he signed a new contract we may not have signed Rudoni.
 
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