It’s a new day it’s a new dawn

[clint van damme]

It's amazing to see some of the revisionism around Robins.

7 years of success and apparently it was all in spite of Robins and just down to various instances of luck and good fortune.

You'd think we'd be flying with the burden removed

 

[Grendel]

And yet sakamoto is playing now with MVE and the form is shite ?

Er I said 3 together?

 

[PVA]

They talk shit , every manager has an assistant , every manager has coaches .

Robins is no different and last season we had a poor start even when adi and Lawrence were here , again proving our fans talk waffle

You could argue with them all day

The funny thing is they come up with all those reasons why Robins actually wasn't that good, whilst at the same time dismissing Lampard's previous failures as outside of his control and not his fault.

 

[clint van damme]

The funny thing is they come up with all those reasons why Robins actually wasn't that good, whilst at the same time dismissing Lampard's previous failures as outside of his control and not his fault.

It's batshit mental.

 

[Grendel]

Oh dear someone is playing to the gallery

 

[Sick Boy]

Again, it's the hypocrisy that some are applying, I totally agree about ignoring him, I get that he probably felt he had to big up the playing squad but its ignore something said to the local media when it suits, but take other stuff as gospel when it suits

There’s hypocrisy on both sides of the argument and you’re better off taking everything King says with a pinch of salt.

 

[skybluecam]

This thread is an all time stinker tbf, trying to gloat after 4 games and then we turn in an awful performance on our next run out.

 

[Grendel]

It's batshit mental.

No one can judge anyone until they can recruit their own players

 

[PVA]

It's batshit mental.

The mental gymnastics are incredible.

 

[Perennial Lurker]

No one can judge anyone until they can recruit their own players

What so no new manager bounce and automatic promotion form ?
What a difference a few days make eh

 

[Grendel]

What so no new manager bounce and automatic promotion form ?
What a difference a few days make eh

If we do win against Plymouth that’s 10 points in 5 games when we were averaging slightly more than a point a game previously

 

[Perennial Lurker]

If we do win against Plymouth that’s 10 points in 5 games when we were averaging slightly more than a point a game previously

But if we dont then we wait till after a few transfer windows ?

 

[Grendel]

But if we dont then we wait till after a few transfer windows ?

We aren’t going anywhere this season. Staying in the league is it. If we do win we have won 3 games in 5 having won 4 in 17.

We need significant changes next season in a lot of areas

 

[Captain Dart]

We aren’t going anywhere this season. Staying in the league is it. If we do win we have won 3 games in 5 having won 4 in 17.

We need significant changes next season in a lot of areas

I can see there being a rebuild but to do that some assets have to be sold. That means one or more of Sheaf, vanEwijk and Wright will go and I hope we will seek upgrades for DaSilva and Collins. It's so disappointing this season that we're only treading water, it's going to result in a significant drop in season ticket sales.

 

[Perennial Lurker]

I can see there being a rebuild but to do that some assets have to be sold. That means one or more of Sheaf, vanEwijk and Wright will go and I hope we will seek upgrades for DaSilva and Collins. It's so disappointing this season that we're only treading water, it's going to result in a significant drop in season ticket sales.

Can see a significant drop off in the " Doug King is god " t-shirt sales too

 

[SBT]

If we do win against Plymouth that’s 10 points in 5 games when we were averaging slightly more than a point a game previously

 

[Chris1987]

He did, but he’s had history turning us around.

How many games into a season do you wait for the turnaround? He had Adil & Lawrence in the previous seasons. He looked bereft of ideas this season. What's gone before doesn't imply that it will happen repeatedly in the future if the variables alter significantly which they had.

 

[Chris1987]

They talk shit , every manager has an assistant , every manager has coaches .

Robins is no different and last season we had a poor start even when adi and Lawrence were here , again proving our fans talk waffle

You could argue with them all day

You are deliberately missing the point and twisting things which have been said. Adi & Lawrence were here as part of the managerial team which turned things round. To conveniently just mention the poor start bit solely with reference to Adi & Lawrence is deliberately misleading.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

This thread is an all time stinker tbf, trying to gloat after 4 games and then we turn in an awful performance on our next run out.

You were literally gloating after the hull game

 

[Great_Expectations]

What is clear with the ‘new dawn’ is the disconnect between club, players, fans is increasing.

That’s not something I expected to be saying after recent years.

 

[SBT]

What is clear with the ‘new dawn’ is the disconnect between club, players, fans is increasing.

That’s not something I expected to be saying after recent years.

Unfortunately it wasn’t ever likely to last. Miraculous it lasted as long as it did.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

There is so much gaslighting going on by people with agendas.

Lampard is not the man. Nothing has changed under his leadership and we need to stop kidding ourselves that these players are all L2 wasters. We haven’t seen a single shred of improvement in any area. We’re in zero danger of relegation, never were- what’s probably going to happen now is we’ll just drift along and finish up lower mid table.

The people who wanted Robins out will then claim that’s a ‘good achievement’, and that we were certs to go down had he not gone, and we’ll spend until about this time next year kidding ourselves things will turn, but they won’t and we’ll be straight back on the managerial merry go round.

I am desperate for Lampard to get it right, because we stand to lose all the momentum which took 7 years to build, but head over heart if we’re honest we can all see where this is heading.

 

[Jamesimus]

There is so much gaslighting going on by people with agendas.

Lampard is not the man. Nothing has changed under his leadership and we need to stop kidding ourselves that these players are all L2 wasters. We haven’t seen a single shred of improvement in any area. We’re in zero danger of relegation, never were- what’s probably going to happen now is we’ll just drift along and finish up lower mid table.

The people who wanted Robins out will then claim that’s a ‘good achievement’, and that we were certs to go down had he not gone, and we’ll spend until about this time next year kidding ourselves things will turn, but they won’t and we’ll be straight back on the managerial merry go round.

I am desperate for Lampard to get it right, because we stand to lose all the momentum which took 7 years to build, but head over heart if we’re honest we can all see where this is heading.

I don’t think I have an agenda, but I think it’s a bit early to dismiss Lampard. Do you not?

 

[skybluecam]

You were literally gloating after the hull game

Tongue in cheek

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

No one can judge anyone until they can recruit their own players

You can judge the starting lineup on Boxing Day

I would expect at the very least Collins and Da Silva dropped and if that doesn't happen then it needs to be questioned

 

[Ccfcisparks]

You can judge the starting lineup on Boxing Day

I would expect at the very least Collins and Da Silva dropped and if that doesn't happen then it needs to be questioned

Collins starting apparently

 

[Sick Boy]

Collins starting apparently

Based on what?

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

Collins starting apparently

How do you know?

 

[Sick Boy]

There is so much gaslighting going on by people with agendas.

Lampard is not the man.

I am desperate for Lampard to get it right

Right.

 

[skybluecam]

Collins starting apparently

christmas in the toilet already

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Right.

Wouldn’t matter who was in charge, I will support them. I can also say whether I think they’re good enough. I will support Lampard (don’t forget, I’m one of those “happy clappers” that get the piss taken out of them for being too optimistic), but so far we’ve seen zilch to justify making a change. It’s not hard to understand.

 

[skybluecam]

Wouldn’t matter who was in charge, I will support them. I can also say whether I think they’re good enough. I will support Lampard (don’t forget, I’m one of those “happy clappers” that get the piss taken out of them for being too optimistic), but so far we’ve seen zilch to justify making a change. It’s not hard to understand.

We’ve seen changes. Whether they justify the decision is a matter of opinion but it’s not like nothing has changed.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

We’ve seen changes. Whether they justify the decision is a matter of opinion but it’s not like nothing has changed.

How is it not like nothing has changed, having seen that match against Portsmouth? There’s a genuine case for saying it’s got worse.

It is about opinions though, you’re right. Looking back at it I think I’d have rather seen Chris Ramsey become assistant and leave Robins in, but that’s long gone now and we have no choice but to really support Lampard- but it’s alarming to see how nothing has got better, I know it’s only a few games but.. anyway we’ll see.

 

[Viktor17]

There is so much gaslighting going on by people with agendas.

Lampard is not the man. Nothing has changed under his leadership and we need to stop kidding ourselves that these players are all L2 wasters. We haven’t seen a single shred of improvement in any area. We’re in zero danger of relegation, never were- what’s probably going to happen now is we’ll just drift along and finish up lower mid table.

The people who wanted Robins out will then claim that’s a ‘good achievement’, and that we were certs to go down had he not gone, and we’ll spend until about this time next year kidding ourselves things will turn, but they won’t and we’ll be straight back on the managerial merry go round.

I am desperate for Lampard to get it right, because we stand to lose all the momentum which took 7 years to build, but head over heart if we’re honest we can all see where this is heading.

your last line is my deep concern.

We all want FL to do well, but must admit im trying myself to be really positive, because in the back of my head, like your last line - I fear where this is going and that 7 years of utter blood sweat and tears is going up in smoke.

 

[clint van damme]

Far too early to start talking about Lampard as a failure in my opinion, he needs time.

However I think anyone saying there's been improvement is deluding themselves, but he needs a lot longer than 5 or 6 games before anyone can make an accurate assessment on his tenure.

For me he needs to do two things, make us hard to beat, even if that means sacrificing any notions of attractive football in the short term, and he needs to get some experience in the team, particularly though the spine (CB and CM)