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[fernandopartridge]

Wouldn't wasps have to agree to that, i can't see a cash strapped business agreeing to offset rent against a new pitch.

We're also a cash strapped business and making ourselves worse, you can only try and find a settlement and it doesn't feel like either party has

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[NorthernWisdom]

We're also a cash strapped business and making ourselves worse

We've never done that before when sensing an opportunity...

 

[Johnnythespider]

We're also a cash strapped business and making ourselves worse, you can only try and find a settlement and it doesn't feel like either party has

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I'm not saying i don't think it's a workable solution, the question of when is also an issue, Boddy says it was june when we were informed they weren't laying a new pitch, even if we'd have come to an agreement i don't think I'd have paid for a new pitch and then watched 66 games of 7s played on it before city get to play on it. I agree that both sides pointing at each other as to who sorts this out isn't going to get us playing there anytime soon.

 

[Johnnythespider]

Better that than being litigated for the rest I think.
Would imagine it would placate the EFL, whether they have any pressure or sanctions somehow the the ACL arm and not the team.

Is there any circumstance where the freeholder becomes responsible for upkeep and maintenance of the stadium

 

[oldfiver]

I'm not saying i don't think it's a workable solution, the question of when is also an issue, Boddy says it was june when we were informed they weren't laying a new pitch, even if we'd have come to an agreement i don't think I'd have paid for a new pitch and then watched 66 games of 7s played on it before city get to play on it. I agree that both sides pointing at each other as to who sorts this out isn't going to get us playing there anytime soon.

66 games I'd misleading- its 66 games of 7's

That's about the same impact on the pitch as 5 full games

 

[oldfiver]

Is there any circumstance where the freeholder becomes responsible for upkeep and maintenance of the stadium

There should be clauses in the Headlease about maintenence

 

[MalcSB]

I'm not saying i don't think it's a workable solution, the question of when is also an issue, Boddy says it was june when we were informed they weren't laying a new pitch, even if we'd have come to an agreement i don't think I'd have paid for a new pitch and then watched 66 games of 7s played on it before city get to play on it. I agree that both sides pointing at each other as to who sorts this out isn't going to get us playing there anytime soon.

Which is exactly what I think wasps view was.

 

[MalcSB]

66 games I'd misleading- its 66 games of 7's

That's about the same impact on the pitch as 5 full games

Their own support seemed shocked at the damage from the very start of the 7s which suggest the pitch was poor to start with.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

 

[usskyblue]

Kinell.. this was ‘fun’ to wake up to. Grendel managing to drag some posters down his rabid Boddy/SISU rabbit hole.

Wasps said they were ‘going to re-lay the pitch’.
- Rotherham game called off.

Wasps make a statement saying they ‘have a contingency plan’
- Wigan game off

Some of the suggestions on here are beyond fucking brainless. Ownership lay a new pitch and don’t pay rent? What? So Wasps can claim that we’re in breach of contract too?

Pay for a new pitch instead of buying Palmer?
Fuckinell.. I’ve got to say, this even trumps the Kenny Jackett bollox

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

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So it begins

 

[djr8369]

I think it's building a charge large enough that can force their admin.

Yeah could be

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

So it begins

Indeed. Appreciate if anyone has a Telegraph subscription and can C+P the contents

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Time for Sisu to actually batter someone in court for once…

 

[SBT]

Landlord: Hey remember that bedroom you’re renting off me - yeah, it’s not going to be liveable for the next few weeks, hope that’s ok

Tenant: Hmm, maybe I’ll just use my annual food budget on a new loft conversion instead then?

 

[djr8369]

Wasps will still have to pay for lost revenue though , that's a separate claim

You’re assuming the contract is watertight enough to make that legally possible.

 

[Grendel]

You’re assuming the contract is watertight enough to make that legally possible.

And either party will still be around when it’s resolved

 

[djr8369]

And either party will still be around when it’s resolved

Yes, but then that’s irrelevant if the plan is to distress wasps into admin, which, to my mind, is a reckless strategy which does us significant damage also.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Yes, but then that’s irrelevant if the plan is to distress wasps into admin, which, to my mind, is a reckless strategy which does us significant damage also.

Certainly high risk. I'm not sure I agree with the argument you sort the pitch yourself, but there is a certain logic that, given the potential to lose major income for potentially a few weeks, you take the action to avoid it even if it's not technically or legally your responsibility. Who, after all, wants to be right but bankrupt?

 

[sylus]

this shit is like a nightmare you can't wake up from

 

[djr8369]

Certainly high risk. I'm not sure I agree with the argument you sort the pitch yourself, but there is a certain logic that, given the potential to lose major income for potentially a few weeks, you take the action to avoid it even if it's not technically or legally your responsibility. Who, after all, wants to be right but bankrupt?

Yeah, as much as it has angered people I am sympathetic to Gs argument. It’s all well and good saying wasps should provide a useable pitch but it’s doesn’t solve anything when they have no money to do so.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Boddy has said they’re looking at reversing the fixture and play at Huddersfield next week.

 

[chiefdave]

Boddy has said they’re looking at reversing the fixture and play at Huddersfield next week.

Was he on CWR? Did anyone think to ask him if there's a plan / timescale to sort this.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Was he on CWR? Did anyone think to ask him if there's a plan / timescale to sort this.

CT spoke to him earlier

 

[oldfiver]

Yes, but then that’s irrelevant if the plan is to distress wasps into admin, which, to my mind, is a reckless strategy which does us significant damage also.

Did SISU force WASPS into around £60m in debt that they cannot repay?

 

[oldfiver]

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[oldfiver]

Absolutely

Any real CEO would way up benefits and risks.

We were told the two respective occupants of the role were on good terms

The problem would have been obvious months ago. The football club could have negotiated at that point. It didn’t have to be a total new pitch but a solution that would make the pitch workable. The clubs could have worked together and negotiated a sensible solution to benefit both parties.

If the football club did a proper risk valuation analysis on the situation it’s clear that they will be the ones this will have a potentially disastrous impact on - in fact almost to the point of zero income for weeks on end.

So a worked solution would easily have been achieved where up front costs are negotiated and long term rental adjustments made.

No normal companies would act like spoilt children sending strongly worded statements on their websites

It’s pathetic

But the two parties did discuss the pitch and WASPs agreed to spend at least £100k and have only spent £7k and carry out maintenance

I think that is called negotiation? Risk analysis builds in all known and reasonable risks - I suppose that should include the inability of WASPs to honour any agreement

 

[stupot07]

66 games I'd misleading- its 66 games of 7's

That's about the same impact on the pitch as 5 full games

Someone on here worked it out as 11 nornal rugby because of stoppages, etc. Not to mention warm ups etc.

And whilst they have no rucks and mauls, they scoring and number constant restarts mean the same pitch Was getting hammered constantly for 3 days.

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[Sky Blue Heaven]

Just listening to Boddy on the radio, this problem isn’t getting resolved quickly! Trying to move Huddersfield fixture….. you couldn’t make it up! Season is jeopardy already, very disappointing, very frustrating.

 

[shepardo01]

New pitch 100% needed- pitch totally ruined.
...wasps refusing to accept clubs financial support to lay a new pitch.
Triggered a dispute stage in contract.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Happy Saturday

 

[djr8369]

Just listening to Boddy on the radio, this problem isn’t getting resolved quickly! Trying to move Huddersfield fixture….. you couldn’t make it up! Season is jeopardy already, very disappointing, very frustrating.

Didn’t catch it all as was in the car but to me it sounded like he was very strongly hinting we’ll be moving grounds?

 

[oldfiver]

Someone on here worked it out as 11 nornal rugby because of stoppages, etc. Not to mention warm ups etc.

And whilst they have no rucks and mauls, they scoring and number constant restarts mean the same pitch Was getting hammered constantly for 3 days.

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7s games are 14 mins
Full games are 80+ mins so 6 times longer
Equivalent of 66 is 11

There are no 16 man heavy scrums

Only 14 people on pitch not 30 so half

11/ 2 = 6 comparable use of pitch

 

[Sky Blue Heaven]

Didn’t catch it all as was in the car but to me it sounded like he was very strongly hinting we’ll be moving grounds?

Sadly, it definitely sounded like this was a possibility

 

[chiefdave]

New pitch 100% needed- pitch totally ruined.
...wasps refusing to accept clubs financial support to lay a new pitch.
Triggered a dispute stage in contract.

missed that, hopefully that part will make it to iplayer or whatever they call the radio thing but am I reading that right, we've tried giving financial help to get the pitch sorted and Wasps have refused.

I know Wasps fans will want to frame this as SISU always wanting to drag everyone into court, ignoring how we had no issues at Sixfields or St Andrews, but if the landlord is unable / unwilling to meet basic requirements and won't even allow the tenant to fix the issue themselves I'm not sure how it can be framed as anyone but Wasps fault.