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shmmeee

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A) I haven't mentioned new homes, have I?

B) I haven't frothed at the mouth, I have literally said get the cunts off the motorway. You only come on here to post about Brexit and post memes about politics.

C) Isn't it possible for people to get their own homes insulated now?

TBF have you seen the cost of external wall insulation? No way could I justify that purely from a personal finance angle. I’d need some level of government support. Triply so when you’re talking ground heat pumps and the like.

Solar is about the only tech that’s at the level of market viability for where it needs to be I think. I’m in the market for a new boiler and non-gas isn’t even on my radar.
 

SBT

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People get information , the information spreads ,people do what people generally do they all look out for themselves .

They get their information from media ... full stop

So where does personal responsibility come into it?
 

Nick

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So where does personal responsibility come into it?

Where does media responsibility come into it?

Of course people need to take responsibility but when you switch the TV on in the morning and they are going on about a crisis then it will make people panic. They really didn't and don't need to panic, just fill up as normal.
 

Evo1883

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How Sky news started reporting this , the statement in itself is misleading and extremely dramatic , it was about 1% of their fuelling stations

They've played a huge part

But HEY , gotta get those clicks for AD revenue
 

SBT

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Where does media responsibility come into it?

Of course people need to take responsibility but when you switch the TV on in the morning and they are going on about a crisis then it will make people panic. They really didn't and don't need to panic, just fill up as normal.

Well clearly it's a factor, I've said so from the beginning. But it all seems very convenient to say everything's the media's fault, doesn't it? Nothing has to change, no-one has to take responsibility. Just bash the media for a few days, then go back to reading the same stuff on a different story next week.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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I have just given examples.

Is it big national news that a handful of petrol stations have run out of fuel? Enough to try and get the mass hysteria going? It's hardly censorship is it. It is pretty obvious to anybody with eyes how the media are trying to whip things up.

"Petrol Station Chaos"
"Tesco, Morrisons, BP, Shell, Texaco, Esso issue statements over fuel crisis"
"Fuel supply crisis live: Up to 90% of some brands 'running dry"

It's amazing how fucking thick people get when they can cry about Brexit.

Sadly it's what happens to make people take notice. Report things in a sensationalist manner.

As for people wanting to cry about Bexit, what about:
EU immigration putting NHS on its knees.
Housing crisis caused by huge influx of EU immigrants
Huge benefits bill from EU immigrants milking the system
No jobs for Brits due to cheap immigrant labour.

It's amazing how fucking thick people get when they can cry about the EU.

To be fair when the news first reported it they did say that it was delivering the fuel due to the lack of drivers that was a problem, not the amount of fuel. I suspect however that they knew thick people would take that as a fuel crisis and rush out and panic buy, thus giving them an actual story to report on later when it did start to run out due to the panic buying.
 

David O'Day

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skybluetony176

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Not like Grenners to be at best in a long distance relationship with the truth

The irony of using it as a statement of fact to argue that the media blow things out of proportion. The true story is it only went out live in one state, didn’t have huge listening numbers, a number of people rang the police, the police rang the radio station about a quarter of the way in to read a statement that it’s a fictional radio drama not a live news report which they promptly did. The press got hold of the story, blew it out of all proportion and the urban myth was born. Which grendull now states as a matter of fact. He probably knew a kid at school who got his head stuck in railings only to be anally raped by the first 20 people who stumbled across him.
 

chiefdave

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I expect people to do exactly what they've done, confirm how stupid they are.
Its interesting that in a lot of the political threads we've had on there when it comes to discussing things like Brexit, 'the left', or anything else the idea that people aren't intelligent enough to digest a nuanced political standpoint is frowned upon. We're told voters aren't stupid and if you in any way believe they are then that's why you're on the losing side.

Not sure how you square that off with people being too stupid to understand a basic statement about the availability of petrol, or toilet roll for that matter, and instead rushing out and buying everything they can because of some misleading clickbait headlines.
 

TomRad85

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Its interesting that in a lot of the political threads we've had on there when it comes to discussing things like Brexit, 'the left', or anything else the idea that people aren't intelligent enough to digest a nuanced political standpoint is frowned upon. We're told voters aren't stupid and if you in any way believe they are then that's why you're on the losing side.

Not sure how you square that off with people being too stupid to understand a basic statement about the availability of petrol, or toilet roll for that matter, and instead rushing out and buying everything they can because of some misleading clickbait headlines.
I don't think that anyone who votes left or right is stupid, everyone is entitled to a different opinion on how things should be run. If you do, then that's on you.
People going bananas over petrol and shit roll are stupid.

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Nick

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I don't think that anyone who votes left or right is stupid, everyone is entitled to a different opinion on how things should be run. If you do, then that's on you.
People going bananas over petrol and shit roll are stupid.

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I think people who obsess over left or right are stupid though.

It's like they can't form an opinion without checking the politics first.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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I don't think that anyone who votes left or right is stupid, everyone is entitled to a different opinion on how things should be run. If you do, then that's on you.
People going bananas over petrol and shit roll are stupid.

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But you're saying that numerous people are stupid enough to be taken in by sensationalist reporting and start panic buying toilet rolls and fuel.
However, the very same people aren't thick enough to be taken in by lies and sensationalist reporting of EU immigration and are just making balanced, informed choices.

So, which is it? Are people thick or aren't they?

It's not about voting left or right, it's being taken for mugs time and time again by lies and misinformation.
 

Skybluefaz

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I expect people to do exactly what they've done, confirm how stupid they are.

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I don't particularly blame the media. I listen to 5 live in the morning on the way to work and they reported a few BP stations having issues but no shortages and buy as usual. At no point did I think that was a trigger to head up to the petrol station and fill my car with fuel just in case. The last year with the bog roll and KFC stuff has shown just how fucking stupid people are. We shouldn't have to dumb down the news to cater to the lowest common denominator.
 

skybluetony176

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DVLA sitting on 40,000 hgv applications .

We've also had a situation at work where people haven't been able to drive because DVLA haven't managed to renew their licenses .

Get back to fucking work Jesus wept
Worth pointing out that in the last decade the Tories closed all local DVLA offices, centralised everything in Swansea, cut their budget under the failed austerity policy and started selling of DVLA services to the private sector. The MSM and government are doing a good job at pointing the finger at the DVLA while selectively ignoring the reasons why there’s a backlog. The problems were there pre Covid, this hasn’t suddenly sneaked up on the government, they’ve been the architects of it.
 

TomRad85

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But you're saying that numerous people are stupid enough to be taken in by sensationalist reporting and start panic buying toilet rolls and fuel.
However, the very same people aren't thick enough to be taken in by lies and sensationalist reporting of EU immigration and are just making balanced, informed choices.

So, which is it? Are people thick or aren't they?

It's not about voting left or right, it's being taken for mugs time and time again by lies and misinformation.
Found another person who thinks people who don't vote his way are thick.
You have no idea why people vote the way they do and the panic buying of petrol and shit roll isn't a left/right divide as far as I'm aware.

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Grendel

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Found another person who thinks people who don't vote his way are thick.
You have no idea why people vote the way they do and the panic buying of petrol and shit roll isn't a left/right divide as far as I'm aware.

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Didn't dreamer once say the problem with democracy is it allows people to vote for people who are not going to represent them
 

TomRad85

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I don't particularly blame the media. I listen to 5 live in the morning on the way to work and they reported a few BP stations having issues but no shortages and buy as usual. At no point did I think that was a trigger to head up to the petrol station and fill my car with fuel just in case. The last year with the bog roll and KFC stuff has shown just how fucking stupid people are. We shouldn't have to dumb down the news to cater to the lowest common denominator.
I agree with you mate. The media plays its part at times but its the general public being daft more than anything.

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TomRad85

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Didn't dreamer once say the problem with democracy is it allows people to vote for people who are not going to represent them
I have no idea as I rarely read his twaddle but it sounds believable.

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COV

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How Sky news started reporting this , the statement in itself is misleading and extremely dramatic , it was about 1% of their fuelling stations

They've played a huge part

But HEY , gotta get those clicks for AD revenue

Do you not think its human nature whatever the platform though, as opposed to 'the media' specifically? People want crises, people love drama.

Look at here, someone has one less than stellar game and before you know it there are pages arguing about him "not good enough", take a look at the Bright thread, and look at the stuff pre-season banging on about MR 'needing shooting' for the supposedly shocking recruitment. None of it based on proven fact, all massively over the top- but people love a good drama to get stuck into. 'The media' are only giving people what they actually want as they know they'll be drawn to it.

Oh and by the way, "BREXIT CANCELS CHRISTMAS" may be the next one :)
 
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torchomatic

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Found another person who thinks people who don't vote his way are thick.
You have no idea why people vote the way they do and the panic buying of petrol and shit roll isn't a left/right divide as far as I'm aware.

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Skybluefaz

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I agree with you mate. The media plays its part at times but its the general public being daft more than anything.

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TBF though I don't read the papers, maybe they have played it up a lot worse. In which case they should be fined heavily if they've printed lies and not just have to print an apology 2 months later tucked away somewhere on page 17.
 

TomRad85

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TBF though I don't read the papers, maybe they have played it up a lot worse. In which case they should be fined heavily if they've printed lies and not just have to print an apology 2 months later tucked away somewhere on page 17.
Also tbf I'm watching ITV hamming it up a bit atm. People just need to show common sense though.

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Found another person who thinks people who don't vote his way are thick.
You have no idea why people vote the way they do and the panic buying of petrol and shit roll isn't a left/right divide as far as I'm aware.

You've missed the point spectacularly. I was talking about the population as a whole, across the entire political spectrum.
I didn't say panic buying was left/right. It's going to be a mix.

You're the one that said people panic buying are stupid because they can't work out they're being manipulated by the media.
These are the same people that vote, whether it be left or right, that you claim are not stupid enough to be manipulated by lies and misinformation by politicians and are just making balanced, informed choices.

They are the same people. Either they're stupid enough to be taken in by misleading reports and misinformation or they're not.
If they're stupid enough to go and start panic buying because of a few sensationalist reports they're certainly stupid enough to be taken in by sensationalist politicians.

My message is consistent. People are stupid enough to panic buy so they're stupid enough to be taken in by politicians.
Your's isn't. People are stupid enough to panic buy but not stupid enough to be taken in by politicians.
 

skybluetony176

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Have to say, it was government saying don't panic buy, that made me convinced people would panic buy... and so they did.

DON'T PUSH THE RED BUTTON.
Made the same point earlier. If you look at the timeline of events it was government ministers pushing this briefing that triggered the panic.
 

TomRad85

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You've missed the point spectacularly. I was talking about the population as a whole, across the entire political spectrum.
I didn't say panic buying was left/right. It's going to be a mix.

You're the one that said people panic buying are stupid because they can't work out they're being manipulated by the media.
These are the same people that vote, whether it be left or right, that you claim are not stupid enough to be manipulated by lies and misinformation by politicians and are just making balanced, informed choices.

They are the same people. Either they're stupid enough to be taken in by misleading reports and misinformation or they're not.
If they're stupid enough to go and start panic buying because of a few sensationalist reports they're certainly stupid enough to be taken in by sensationalist politicians.

My message is consistent. People are stupid enough to panic buy so they're stupid enough to be taken in by politicians.
Your's isn't. People are stupid enough to panic buy but not stupid enough to be taken in by politicians.

Except, again, you have no idea why people vote how they do.

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skybluetony176

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Half of this shit is just ranting over Brexit aimlessly.
Hardly aimlessly. Pre brexit yes we had a drivers shortage but we were managing, post brexit we no longer manage and the government’s only real fix is to partially reverse brexit and issue a few thousand visas to EU drivers who didn’t previously require them. If it had nothing to do with brexit the government would have other fixes.
 

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