clint van damme
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I think the tories took Hartlepool because of the work of the mayor up there, but then again, doubtful a Labour mayor would have received the backing of Westminster in terms of finances?
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I think the tories took Hartlepool because of the work of the mayor up there, but then again, doubtful a Labour mayor would have received the backing of Westminster in terms of finances?
Agreed Dave. By continuing to focus on people being tricked into voting Tory/or the electorate are thick argument, labour will miss the point and the opportunity to adapt/change to become a more attractive option in the eyes of the public. The aggressive left social media comments like ‘I’ve never met a nice Tory’, ‘How thick must that working class bloke be for voting for the Tories’, ‘I could never date a Tory’ etc etc...it’s half the country that’s being alienated and probably put off voting Labour.
This was an interesting article (published before Thursday)
Labour keeps pushing the ‘same old Tories’ line – but voters have moved on | Rafael Behr
Keir Starmer is trying to ignite flames of public indignation by blowing on 25-year-old embers, says Guardian columnist Rafael Behr
Ps also an interesting opinion article over the weekend about Ben Houchen, teeside mayor (Didn’t realise he was only 34). Shmmeee - might be of interest following your post about mayors. Sounds like he’s got Johnson’s ear and Johnson’s backed him in various areas. When people in a local community can see action/improvement it doesn’t matter if the person delivering it is left or right, they are likely to back them
Houchenism – the brand of can-do Tory threatening the left and right old guard | Will Hutton
With a 73% majority and a string of interventionist initiatives, Tees Valley mayor, Ben Houchen, is reinventing Conservatism
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Ben Houchen.....Nephew of Keith according to wiki.
....As you were.
....As you were.
David O'Day
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It would more to do with Labour being seen as too liberal and not of the same values as them.
As Schmeee has said before they are thefundteh NHS hang the paedos voters. Anyone liberal in places like Hartlepool has moved to a bigger city.
NorthernWisdom
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Guess you can't choose your family
NorthernWisdom
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Point of order, not being proud of your country doesn't mean you hate it.Interesting but not surprising, we've become America
also falls in line with what people say about many on the left hating their country ... not a dig but an observation proving to be correct View attachment 20045
Evo1883
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NorthernWisdom
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It's patently true though.
I'm not necessarily proud of it atm. I'm ashamed we're making ourselves insular, less global in outlook, I'm certainly not proud that traditional British values, for me, of tolerance, acceptance, and co-operation become less and less significant.
I was proud of us under Blair, and hosting the 2012 Olympics, and showing ourselves as positive, and looking outwards. Of course, Iraq didn't make me proud... The actions atm do not make me proud, that does not mean that there aren't things that I'm proud of, but given the question is about pride most of the time, it's a reactive question to events.
I suspect give me a more left leaning government, I would be more proud of this country. Does that mean I hate it? No, it's my home, it's where I come from. It's my... land. I also suspect that give us a more left leaning government, and some of those righties would *not* be as proud of this country as they are now, as values *they* see as important would end up marginalised.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The opposition puts forwards policies people like but don’t vote for because it’s all about personalities and perception
chiefdave
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To me he seems very much in the Boris say what people want to hear category. When he was campaigning round here he went to the HS2 site by the uni, where there is a decent sized protest about cutting down ancient tress, protecting the countryside etc and spoke about how much he in favour of HS2 he was.
He then went to the Kings Hill development site and spoke about how concerned he was about local infrastructure not being able to cope with a few extra houses.
Few minutes later he was at the airport talking about shutting it down and building a massive factory on the site
As far as I can tell he's achieved very little in his first term and his manifesto was pretty much the same things he promised last time and didn't deliver.
But he was up against a Labour candidate who didn't seem to even bother campaigning and when I googled him to see who Labour had actually put forward the results weren't inspiring. Like they went out of their way to pick someone who wouldn't win.
Exactly this. Two different things.
And the ones who claim to be most proud of their country continually vote to make it worse
fatso
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Yep, totally incompetent labour party = massive tory majority.To me he seems very much in the Boris say what people want to hear category. When he was campaigning round here he went to the HS2 site by the uni, where there is a decent sized protest about cutting down ancient tress, protecting the countryside etc and spoke about how much he in favour of HS2 he was.
He then went to the Kings Hill development site and spoke about how concerned he was about local infrastructure not being able to cope with a few extra houses.
Few minutes later he was at the airport talking about shutting it down and building a massive factory on the site
As far as I can tell he's achieved very little in his first term and his manifesto was pretty much the same things he promised last time and didn't deliver.
But he was up against a Labour candidate who didn't seem to even bother campaigning and when I googled him to see who Labour had actually put forward the results weren't inspiring. Like they went out of their way to pick someone who wouldn't win.
Evo1883
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Here's a question .
Has a conservative government ever done anything that you think is good or is it quite literally a situation where no matter what you just despise them .
I struggle with the idea that you shouldn't vote for a particular party no matter what .
I did vote Labour again , but if the tories did absolutely nothing good at all , then surely everybody would want them out .
As it stands they are one of the most successful political parties in the democratic world in terms of elections won .
It doesn't add up .
I'd appreciate your thoughts on it
Not everything can be bad , it's impossible
SkyBlueDom26
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They just want to look cool and get a few likes on twitter by saying how bad Boris or the tories are.....when thankfully in the real world things couldn't be more different
Evo1883
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No seriously I'm interested in the answer
Brighton Sky Blue
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Brighton Sky Blue
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From the last decade they get credit from me for
1. Passing gay marriage though with a big nudge from the Lib Dems
2. Raising the minimum wage, though not by enough
3. Furlough, though again this could have reached more people
4. Buying up vaccines before anyone else
The rest I am struggling
SkyBlueDom26
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There is no answer
Evo1883
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To be fair the Scottish nationalists were pushing for referendums Irrespective.
Labour tories , brexit or not ...they still would be .
They'd find another excuse
NorthernWisdom
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Yes.
NorthernWisdom
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A lot of that are left leaning policies, too - furlough especially.
Evo1883
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Elaborate please mate
NorthernWisdom
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Well Ted Heath took us into the EEC, for one.
SkyBlueDom26
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fatso
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Didnt Tony Blair win 3 general elections for Labour? That was during a pretty bleak time for the tory party, but I guess they learnt some lessons and bounced back. Every dog has its day though, the question is, can Labour learn from its mistakes and re invent itself as the party of the working people (not just the working class) and mount a challenge in the future?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Brexit has made a lot more Scots and NI reconsider whereas if it hadn’t happened the Union would be much more stable. Don’t know about you but for me the Union trumps flipping off Europe
Brighton Sky Blue
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When the Tories steal Labour policies nobody ever asks how they’ll be paid for, funny that
NorthernWisdom
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Indeed, and at the time the Tories were under threat from the Liberals of becoming the third party.
We're in odd times atm - Brexit and now (especially) Covid makes it hard to judge policies. All the incumbent governments in the UK had a relatively successful day last Thursday, including the seemingly lost Labour Party.
I'm not sure these elections, in particular, show anything particularly.
Evo1883
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Scots so against leaving the EU, yet happy to leave the UK ..
Now they are more confused than both brexiteers and remainers combined aren't they ?
The economic damage people think brexit is doing would have nothing on that
Brighton Sky Blue
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The effect on Northern Ireland is surely impossible to ignore? My point was Brexit has pushed both countries closer to leaving and you can’t really deny that.
Evo1883
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No I can't deny that , Boris won't allow the vote anyway
fatso
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Scottish people voting to stay in the EU when they wouldn't meet any of the entry criteria if they became independent is crazy.
I didn't say they should be in power with a majority.
You said their policies are awful and the reason they don't get elected. Which is not true.
Here's Hartlepool saying they are in favour of Labour policies / the opposite of Tory policies.... before going on to vote Tory.
