So now we know (3 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

That's possibly true. In the workplace and elsewhere you often see people taking actions that they know their boss wants even though he hasn't ordered it. If it goes wrong the boss can say " i didn't tell him/her to do it". No, but everyone knows that's what he wanted

I don’t get this idea that CCC are bossing Wasps around at all. Why would they let them? It’s perfectly possible for it to be in Wasps interests.

We really need someone to ask the question of CCC.

 

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[djr8369]

Don't forget they tried to force through an ACL / Wasps takeover of the football club too.

Yeah but why? I’m not doubting they appear to have done some odd things but why?

 

[Warwickhunt]

So is it the case that WASP only have the indemnity in for just the CCC because that was in the condition of sale to the WASPS by the CCC at the time and its not an option to exclude it?

 

[skyblueinswansea]

Being out of the city its hard to gage, but would a mass protest outside the council offices put them under pressure and realise that they need to be honest and transparent. As much as they clearly hate CCFC and are happy to screw us over, if they fear their approval ratings are going to drop and that they could be losing their grip would it make a difference?

 

[ceetee]

I don’t get this idea that CCC are bossing Wasps around at all. Why would they let them? It’s perfectly possible for it to be in Wasps interests.

We really need someone to ask the question of CCC.

I illustrated a point,. I'm not saying CCC were bossing Wasps around but Wasps might have thought it was in their interests to do what they thought CCC might want.

 

[djr8369]

What justifies their actions pre-SISU?

Maybe it was the Wasps promise of this amazing new training facility and all these jobs that sucked them in. Maybe it was the thought of a packed out Ricoh full of Wasps fans and fireworks while they get their freebies in Corporate? What about all the houses their owner was talking about building?

Why the need for PR then? Bringing money into the city is PR in itself. Why try to turn fans against SISU? If wasps bring these benefits there’s no need to justify their actions. It might just be they wanted public opinion on their side but as half the city doesn’t care about the club and most that do probably don’t vote it just feels a bit thin.

 

[shmmeee]

I illustrated a point,. I'm not saying CCC were bossing Wasps around but Wasps might have thought it was in their interests to do what they thought CCC might want.

I mean maybe? But still doesn’t sit right with me as clearly today is not at all in the councils interests

Richardson will be hard nosed businessman I’d imagine and will be making decisions for himself.

CCC are the easiest to hold to account here. We need a statement from Duggins clearly saying the council don’t require indemnity. If Wasps then don’t drop it weknow it’s for their benefit.

 

[Nick]

You’ve also got to consider that since Sisu CCFC have been quite anti council. See aligning with council critics from the start, and apparently Fisher calling them “a bunch of communists” when asked if he’d talk to them I heard yesterday.

CCC just want an easy life. They probably wanted Wasps in because it is a good thing if you take out the impact on CCFC for a second and don’t have strong feelings about franchises. Economically it’s a positive for the city really. They also don’t want to lose the Ricoh to a party they don’t trust.

I mean look, I know for a cast iron fact that while my Dad was leading the council they weren’t anti CCFC, because I was there and I know my Dads a massive CCFC fan (that’s why I am, he got me into them), I know other councillors such as Maton are big, genuine CCFC fans. I don’t know about every single council leader or councillor, but I find it hard to believe they’d actively hate the club and wish it harm. Most are either ambivalent or actively support CCFC.

CCFCs ace in the hole has always been the ability to razzle dazzle locals. Am I naive enough to think my first game being taken into the dressing room and getting signed programs and seeing Oggy in the bath happened for any other reason than the club wanted to curry favour with the council? No not at all.

So for things to have got to this point all sides must have made some pretty major missteps. And let’s be honest, until Robins arrived Sisu were generally seen by all CCFC fans as pretty shitty owners.

That still doesn't explain CCC's attitude to CCFC before SISU though does it? It's all well and good saying "Tim Fisher said a nasty" but CCC were being cunts to CCFC even before anybody knew who Tim Fisher was so it doesn't stack up.

How has it worked out for the local economy and the Ricoh? We heard the council shouting about SISU would just mortgage against the Ricoh and burden it with debt? Wasps have done exactly what CCC publicly said SISU would do and why they were against SISU owning it.

How much of the public perception is down to the expensive PR campaign? Of course SISU are not goodies and have not been right about everything but how much of the Weber Shandwick stuff did exactly as intended?

 

[Nick]

Why the need for PR then? Bringing money into the city is PR in itself. Why try to turn fans against SISU? If wasps bring these benefits there’s no need to justify their actions. It might just be they wanted public opinion on their side but as half the city doesn’t care about the club and most that do probably don’t vote it just feels a bit thin.

The big PR job was before Wasps.

When you look at it on the timeline, you could say that as CCC already knew about Wasps way before Sixfields that a juicy PR hatchet job made everybody hate SISU and the backlash against Wasps coming in was minimal. Everybody hated SISU so they saw Wasps as allies, see the Trust for a perfect example of this. Wasps were riding on the wave of the Weber Shandwick stuff and people fell for it. If in doubt "It was SISU".

The PR job meant they could get away with lots of shit and how Duggins could smugly gloat about public perception.

 

[Levship20]

I would like to know what the opposition think to all this?? Eg Cllr Ridley & co. They have in the past supported the councils stance against SISU but is this now a different agenda? Maybe the Tory’s need to be pushing Labour for an answer and as representatives to you and the City, it should be a no brainier. OR if they got into power, they would have the same cloud hanging over their head!!! So might be why they have not challenged anything YET??

 

[djr8369]

The big PR job was before Wasps.

When you look at it on the timeline, you could say that as CCC already knew about Wasps way before Sixfields that a juicy PR hatchet job made everybody hate SISU and the backlash against Wasps coming in was minimal. Everybody hated SISU so they saw Wasps as allies, see the Trust for a perfect example of this. Wasps were riding on the wave of the Weber Shandwick stuff and people fell for it. If in doubt "It was SISU".

The PR job meant they could get away with lots of shit and how Duggins could smugly gloat about public perception.

I guess what I am saying Nick is I think they would have gotten away with that shit anyway, why the effort to spin it and hide things. Maybe it is as simple as trying to smooth things out and I’m over thinking it.

 

[Nick]

I would like to know what the opposition think to all this?? Eg Cllr Ridley & co. They have in the past supported the councils stance against SISU but is this now a different agenda? Maybe the Tory’s need to be pushing Labour for an answer and as representatives to you and the City, it should be a no brainier. OR if they got into power, they would have the same cloud hanging over their head!!! So might be why they have not challenged anything YET??

Maybe it would be like last time?

People seemed to have differing opinions, a secret meeting with no minutes and NDAs galore and then everybody suddenly agrees?

 

[djr8369]

I would like to know what the opposition think to all this?? Eg Cllr Ridley & co. They have in the past supported the councils stance against SISU but is this now a different agenda? Maybe the Tory’s need to be pushing Labour for an answer and as representatives to you and the City, it should be a no brainier. OR if they got into power, they would have the same cloud hanging over their head!!! So might be why they have not challenged anything YET??

It’s worth somebody asking for their thoughts. It’s also well worth (as somebody did) contacting local MPs and getting them to ask questions of the council.

 

[shmmeee]

That still doesn't explain CCC's attitude to CCFC before SISU though does it? It's all well and good saying "Tim Fisher said a nasty" but CCC were being cunts to CCFC even before anybody knew who Tim Fisher was so it doesn't stack up.

How has it worked out for the local economy and the Ricoh? We heard the council shouting about SISU would just mortgage against the Ricoh and burden it with debt? Wasps have done exactly what CCC publicly said SISU would do and why they were against SISU owning it.

How much of the public perception is down to the expensive PR campaign? Of course SISU are not goodies and have not been right about everything but how much of the Weber Shandwick stuff did exactly as intended?

But who was being cunts? Honest question again I’m not as into this as you? And why does someone who isn’t there any more being cunts matter today?

That’s my point. I bring my Dad up (not particularly willingly as you know) because that’s not rumour or a one sided account from someone trying to sell a book, that’s my lived experienced. So I know, for a fact, there was a point where relations between CCC and CCFC were positive.

So just saying “oh CCC are cunts and always have been” doesn’t really help shed any light. Who is a c**t? How were they a c**t? Why were they cunts? Are they still being cunty?

It’s a thought terminating cliche that doesn’t get us anywhere.

And I mention the Fisher comment not because he “did a nasty” but because it was his reply when a olive branch was offered. It shows that for him he was letting his personal politics cloud his judgement. Going to Les Reid shows that. Going to Nikki whatsherface shows that. Sisu have consistently been anti council, not surprising a hedge fund doesn’t like left wing government. But their lack of understanding and seemingly political beliefs have meant some major missteps for the club.

You saying “oh they just hate us and always have” is not only demonstrably untrue and frankly a childish way of understanding competing motivations. Your theory that a bunch of people that on average are avid CCFC fans just hate CCFC makes no sense at all. So let’s look at another theory.

 

[usskyblue]

Fuckinell...HELP

IM DROWNING IN DAMAGE LIMITATION

 

[Nick]

I guess what I am saying Nick is I think they would have gotten away with that shit anyway, why the effort to spin it and hide things. Maybe it is as simple as trying to smooth things out and I’m over thinking it.

They spun and hide things because it gave them more leeway.

Everybody hated SISU, it gave CCC / Higgs / Wasps / ACL much more scope to fuck about and get away with it. All they had to ever do was say "It was SISU's fault" and it would be forgotten about.

They loved it. They would get everybody wound up about SISU by spreading things (regardless of if they are true or not) and behind the scenes they were organising for Wasps to come in.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Relationships probably soured in 2005 when we said we couldn’t afford the rent and the council stuck 2 fingers up to our request

But who was being cunts? Honest question again I’m not as into this as you? And why does someone who isn’t there any more being cunts matter today?

That’s my point. I bring my Dad up (not particularly willingly as you know) because that’s not rumour or a one sided account from someone trying to sell a book, that’s my lived experienced. So I know, for a fact, there was a point where relations between CCC and CCFC were positive.

So just saying “oh CCC are cunts and always have been” doesn’t really help shed any light. Who is a c**t? How were they a c**t? Why were they cunts? Are they still being cunty?

It’s a thought terminating cliche that doesn’t get us anywhere.

And I mention the Fisher comment not because he “did a nasty” but because it was his reply when a olive branch was offered. It shows that for him he was letting his personal politics cloud his judgement. Going to Les Reid shows that. Going to Nikki whatsherface shows that. Sisu have consistently been anti council, not surprising a hedge fund doesn’t like left wing government. But their lack of understanding and seemingly political beliefs have meant some major missteps for the club.

You saying “oh they just hate us and always have” is not only demonstrably untrue and frankly a childish way of understanding competing motivations. Your theory that a bunch of people that on average are avid CCFC fans just hate CCFC makes no sense at all. So let’s look at another theory.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

That still doesn't explain CCC's attitude to CCFC before SISU though does it? It's all well and good saying "Tim Fisher said a nasty" but CCC were being cunts to CCFC even before anybody knew who Tim Fisher was so it doesn't stack up.

How has it worked out for the local economy and the Ricoh? We heard the council shouting about SISU would just mortgage against the Ricoh and burden it with debt? Wasps have done exactly what CCC publicly said SISU would do and why they were against SISU owning it.

How much of the public perception is down to the expensive PR campaign? Of course SISU are not goodies and have not been right about everything but how much of the Weber Shandwick stuff did exactly as intended?

There is a difference between CCC being ambivalent at best, and them actively working against the club, however.

Now, if we do indeed go backwards, it was ultimately Dave Nellist who iniststed that any Ricoh deal involved commitments to regeneration of the surrounding area, before he signed up to it (the Ricoh deal was campaigned for by the club btw, McGinnity was very forward in being proactive in encouraging that deal to be made, to divest the club of their responsibilities to build it) and that has, arguably, handicapped the stadium being seen as just a sports stadium from that point on.

When we come to ACL, we should probably target national government rather than local government. Local government has been made to pay its way more and more, both in commercially justifying their actions, and in having funding withdrawn. As far as I am aware, CCC is not one of the better off councils and doesn't have the cash to throw around. Therefore, any deal (and remember, the club pushed for the deal) would have to make it pay its way.

At that stage, we get this horrible crunch, where the interests of ACL don't marry the interests of CCFC. That's still kept in check while CCFC owned half of ACL but... that didn't last long!

So it's certainly not working against the club to begin with (the directors did a fine job in that by themselves!), but it does end up financially straightjacketed. Elements such as stadium branding etc. yes, I would argue we have an intransigent council, but McGinnity had taken all the stuff about the cup winners down at Highfield Road - they weren't alone in being shit in realising the emotional connection of the club.

Fast forward to SISU, and it seems relations were actually OK between most parties involved. The personal stuff seemed to be agitated by Seppala and Mutton seemingly not getting on, and having vastly differing perspectives. It must have been very hard for Seppala, a ruthless businesswoman who makes decisions swiftly, to understand a council that drags its feet as much through following the process it has to follow. Likewise, Mutton's comments about SISU were deeply unhelpful, and they badly needed some empathy about how, ultimately, SISU were a business who didn't need to have that emotional connection of fan and then yes, things broke down, seemingly irrevocably.

To get where we ended up, where every single member of the council voted for the Wasps deal, regardless of party allegiance, is... unprecedented (to borrow a Covid trendy word!) really. usually you have one or two rogues who see either an opporunity to make a name on being different, or because they can get something for themselves and / or their ward. That's not really a council conspiracy, and *something* in that deal made it important to be passed. i'd assume the main thing is transferring risk onto Wasps, rather than the council, tbh, and allowing CCC therefore to budget with less constraints.

It's safe to say (as, well, it's been for the past half a dozen years plus ) that none of the parties cover themselves in glory with their attitude. Current events don't change that really, they just continue along the same lines...

 

[shmmeee]

I would like to know what the opposition think to all this?? Eg Cllr Ridley & co. They have in the past supported the councils stance against SISU but is this now a different agenda? Maybe the Tory’s need to be pushing Labour for an answer and as representatives to you and the City, it should be a no brainier. OR if they got into power, they would have the same cloud hanging over their head!!! So might be why they have not challenged anything YET??

The fact that there’s been cross party consensus on the councils approach and not a single councillor from any party or none has broken cover for political gain is a real signal to me there’s more than just a group of nasty people at the heart of the council.

Blundell has already come out against the new ground I believe. But he would, its an area full of rich twats who don’t want a load of football fans turning up every fortnight. And he’s a Tory and they both hate green belt development and like rich people.

 

[Nick]

But who was being cunts? Honest question again I’m not as into this as you? And why does someone who isn’t there any more being cunts matter today?

That’s my point. I bring my Dad up (not particularly willingly as you know) because that’s not rumour or a one sided account from someone trying to sell a book, that’s my lived experienced. So I know, for a fact, there was a point where relations between CCC and CCFC were positive.

So just saying “oh CCC are cunts and always have been” doesn’t really help shed any light. Who is a c**t? How were they a c**t? Why were they cunts? Are they still being cunty?

It’s a thought terminating cliche that doesn’t get us anywhere.

And I mention the Fisher comment not because he “did a nasty” but because it was his reply when a olive branch was offered. It shows that for him he was letting his personal politics cloud his judgement. Going to Les Reid shows that. Going to Nikki whatsherface shows that. Sisu have consistently been anti council, not surprising a hedge fund doesn’t like left wing government. But their lack of understanding and seemingly political beliefs have meant some major missteps for the club.

You saying “oh they just hate us and always have” is not only demonstrably untrue and frankly a childish way of understanding competing motivations. Your theory that a bunch of people that on average are avid CCFC fans just hate CCFC makes no sense at all. So let’s look at another theory.

So Tim Fisher's personal politics clouded his judgement but when you have Mutton / Lucas clearly having clouded judgements that's OK?

Go to the Fletcher thread, he gives examples of the Council working against CCFC in his time with both ACL and CCFC. That was pre-SISU so it shows "They hated Fisher" isn't an excuse for them.

You are indirectly doing what I am talking about, you are effectively saying "It was SISU" for the reasoning of the council being against CCFC. It wasn't, it was going on before they were even here.

You are far too quick to write things off that are there in black and white as a conspiracy.

 

[Nick]

There is a difference between CCC being ambivalent at best, and them actively working against the club, however.

Now, if we do indeed go backwards, it was ultimately Dave Nellist who iniststed that any Ricoh deal involved commitments to regeneration of the surrounding area, before he signed up to it (the Ricoh deal was campaigned for by the club btw, McGinnity was very forward in being proactive in encouraging that deal to be made, to divest the club of their responsibilities to build it) and that has, arguably, handicapped the stadium being seen as just a sports stadium from that point on.

When we come to ACL, we should probably target national government rather than local government. Local government has been made to pay its way more and more, both in commercially justifying their actions, and in having funding withdrawn. As far as I am aware, CCC is not one of the better off councils and doesn't have the cash to throw around. Therefore, any deal (and remember, the club pushed for the deal) would have to make it pay its way.

At that stage, we get this horrible crunch, where the interests of ACL don't marry the interests of CCFC. That's still kept in check while CCFC owned half of ACL but... that didn't last long!

So it's certainly not working against the club to begin with (the directors did a fine job in that by themselves!), but it does end up financially straightjacketed. Elements such as stadium branding etc. yes, I would argue we have an intransigent council, but McGinnity had taken all the stuff about the cup winners down at Highfield Road - they weren't alone in being shit in realising the emotional connection of the club.

Fast forward to SISU, and it seems relations were actually OK between most parties involved. The personal stuff seemed to be agitated by Seppala and Mutton seemingly not getting on, and having vastly differing perspectives. It must have been very hard for Seppala, a ruthless businesswoman who makes decisions swiftly, to understand a council that drags its feet as much through following the process it has to follow. Likewise, Mutton's comments about SISU were deeply unhelpful, and they badly needed some empathy about how, ultimately, SISU were a business who didn't need to have that emotional connection of fan and then yes, things broke down, seemingly irrevocably.

To get where we ended up, where every single member of the council voted for the Wasps deal, regardless of party allegiance, is... unprecedented (to borrow a Covid trendy word!) really. usually you have one or two rogues who see either an opporunity to make a name on being different, or because they can get something for themselves and / or their ward. That's not really a council conspiracy, and *something* in that deal made it important to be passed. i'd assume the main thing is transferring risk onto Wasps, rather than the council, tbh, and allowing CCC therefore to budget with less constraints.

It's safe to say (as, well, it's been for the past half a dozen years plus ) that none of the parties cover themselves in glory with their attitude. Current events don't change that really, they just continue along the same lines...

This is where somebody needs to do some digging and find out what the people voting were told in the no minutes, NDA meeting to make them all agree.

The relationship had soured before SISU between the football club and the council. SISU then just poured a tanker full of petrol on that.

We have already seen that it was a condition about CCFC not being damaged and how Duggins laughed that off.

It's alright saying Tim Fisher said something nasty and hated the council, look at how actual Council Leaders have behaved. That goes for Mutton, Lucas and Duggins. Does Tim Fisher being a smarmy c**t give a council leader the excuse to be?

 

[shmmeee]

Relationships probably soured in 2005 when we said we couldn’t afford the rent and the council stuck 2 fingers up to our request

You’re quite possibly right. But that was different owners. Relationship with Sisu started OK IIRC. Also, that was the point to start getting your ducks in a row for an alternative. As I e said repeatedly the rent was almost certainly too high especially after we dropped to L1, but the strategy for fixing that has been an absolute clusterfuck

 

[tisza]

This is where somebody needs to do some digging and find out what the people voting were told in the no minutes, NDA meeting to make them all agree.

We have already seen that it was a condition about CCFC not being damaged and how Duggins laughed that off.

It's alright saying Tim Fisher said something nasty and hated the council, look at how actual Council Leaders have behaved. That goes for Mutton, Lucas and Duggins. Does Tim Fisher being a smarmy c**t give a council leader the excuse to be?

probably find out that like the original sale meeting it's not available to the public

 

[Nick]

You’re quite possibly right. But that was different owners. Relationship with Sisu started OK IIRC. Also, that was the point to start getting your ducks in a row for an alternative. As I e said repeatedly the rent was almost certainly too high especially after we dropped to L1, but the strategy for fixing that has been an absolute clusterfuck

Yet the common denominator for the whole beef seems to be the Council?

 

[usskyblue]

It all means: Get your socially distanced arses to St. Andrews and support the fucking team

 

[tisza]

You’re quite possibly right. But that was different owners. Relationship with Sisu started OK IIRC. Also, that was the point to start getting your ducks in a row for an alternative. As I e said repeatedly the rent was almost certainly too high especially after we dropped to L1, but the strategy for fixing that has been an absolute clusterfuck

Weren't SISU the council's preferred option and they basically nixed the 2 other potential buyers (the American one and another)?

 

[Nick]

probably find out that like the original sale meeting it's not available to the public

It isn't, it seemed to be there some people didn't agree until that meeting and then they did.

Maybe it was just a presentation on everything Wasps claimed they were going to do for the city and that nasty SISU would never do that? After all, it's ingrained into these people that it was only ever SISU who do anything wrong. There had been a massive PR campaign going on.

I mean, if every councillor who voted had been told Wasps were going to do everything for their areas. Tickle their balls, tuck them in, stop wars, prevent homelessness, save puppies from dying etc. Why wouldn't they go for it?

There is actually a condition in writing that said that the sale condition must not harm CRFC and CCFC. The same one Duggins then tried to say "Yeah but it was only for 4 years".

 

[MusicDating]

So unraveling this means that after State Aid thingy Wasps give council mega bucks and go out of business which leaves CCC with a white elephant but 54m in the bank.

SISU/CCFC are unaffected.

The bit I don’t understand is that why have WASPS withdrawn the indemnity clause when they stand to lose the most.

And why have CCC insisting on it when (according to you) they really don’t stand to lose much at all?


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Maybe Wasps already have an indemnity with CCC to benefit Wasps. We've thought all along that Wasps were naive if they didn't think SISU were the litigious type. Would explain why CCC want the indemnity clause if they'd have to pay Wasps?

Or more likely just protecting their beloved Wasps.

 

[shmmeee]

So Tim Fisher's personal politics clouded his judgement but when you have Mutton / Lucas clearly having clouded judgements that's OK?

Go to the Fletcher thread, he gives examples of the Council working against CCFC in his time with both ACL and CCFC. That was pre-SISU so it shows "They hated Fisher" isn't an excuse for them.

You are indirectly doing what I am talking about, you are effectively saying "It was SISU" for the reasoning of the council being against CCFC. It wasn't, it was going on before they were even here.

You are far too quick to write things off that are there in black and white as a conspiracy.

And you’re doing what all conspiracy theorists do and weaving together snippets of unrelated info and leaving out othersolid facts to create an overarching narrative that doesn’t exist.

I’m going to leave this here TBH. Don’t want to derail a productive thread.

 

[Liquid Gold]

You’re quite possibly right. But that was different owners. Relationship with Sisu started OK IIRC. Also, that was the point to start getting your ducks in a row for an alternative. As I e said repeatedly the rent was almost certainly too high especially after we dropped to L1, but the strategy for fixing that has been an absolute clusterfuck

I think this is where Ranson becomes an issue. Sisu never wanted a football club they just wanted the quick profit he promised, they gave him the cash and he wasn’t bothered about sorting the arena as he wanted to play football club. When he fucked off and sisu were left with something they didn’t want and had no idea how to run they looked at our outgoings, saw the rent was killing us, tried to renegotiate and that’s when the relationship between the two of them soured.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Fuckinell...HELP

IM DROWNING IN DAMAGE LIMITATION

You haven’t seen anything yet

 

[shmmeee]

I think this is where Ranson becomes an issue. Sisu never wanted a football club they just wanted the quick profit he promised, they gave him the cash and he wasn’t bothered about sorting the arena as he wanted to play football club. When he fucked off and sisu were left with something they didn’t want and had no idea how to run they looked at our outgoings, saw the rent was killing us, tried to renegotiate and that’s when the relationship between the two of them soured.

Id agree. Where we differ I’d imagine is that I think Sisus personal politics and lack of understanding of the difference between dealing with private orgs and local authorities meant they picked a strategy doomed to fail.

 

[djr8369]

This is where somebody needs to do some digging and find out what the people voting were told in the no minutes, NDA meeting to make them all agree

This is one of the things that really bothers me and for which I’m struggling to see a rational explanation.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

i dont whether I've done the right thing but as supporter of CCFC for 50 +years but not a resident of Coventry in any of that time I have sent a short letter to all of the local MP's

i attach the same below

Feel Free to criticise

Dear Member of Parliament



Coventry City Council and Wasps Rugby Club



You may well know about the situation with Coventry City FC being forced to play their home games in Birmingham. There appears to be a lot of underlying misinformation and misleading information as to why this is case.



Having heard a report on local radio CWR which you may now be aware of, it appears that the main problem with the refusal of wasps to allow CCFC to play games in the city that bears their name is due to the fact that the local authority appear to insist on CCFC signing an indemnity against damages which may occur following the complaint to the EU about state aid for the sale of the Ricoh Arena to wasps.



Is it right that the local authority should impose this condition on its football club which bears it’s name

Can questions be asked about the validity of the indemnity.



In my simplistic way of thinking two questions come to mind:



Does Coventry City council think it has broken state aid rules or done anything wrong or illegal in the sale of the Ricoh Arena to Wasps

If the answer is No why do they need an indemnity

If the answer is yes, they think they might have done something illegal or wrong then why should CCFC pay for that mistake.



I am writing to you all as local MPs because this situation cannot be allowed to continue just to protect Coventry City Council



There is great deal more to this than I know but is it right that 10s of thousands of people in Coventry and Warwickshire are losing out on their support and love of the local football team at the whim of the local authority and an erstwhile London Rugby Club

Great email. I hope that all of the local MPs get involved and start to put pressure on CCC.

 

[usskyblue]

TBH ...the fact shmmee’s in fucking overdrive says more than any statement ‘wording’