Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (56 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

We paid £3.95 for 50 disposable masks on Amazon, saw the same ones in Boots for £30!

 

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[Ian1779]

It's funny they have now decided to fine people £100 for not wearing one in a shop just over a month before the plan to pack every child back into school. Or like when they decided to introduce 2 week quarantines months after the outbreak started.

The horse hasn't just bolted it's done the Grand National

Fucking clowns the lot of them.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Fucking clowns the lot of them.

As it happens I’m going to Brighton around when this kicks in. Spending most of it on the Downs to avoid the nonsense

 

[Macca]

And yet during the peak with 1000 deaths a day you could freely walk around the supermarket. Now people out in the open air walking their dogs 100 metres from anyone are wearing them. Just a big mess of inconsistency. So many questions. Is this the way until there is a vaccine, or if no vaccine then forever?

 

[clint van damme]

And yet during the peak with 1000 deaths a day you could freely walk around the supermarket. Now people out in the open air walking their dogs 100 metres from anyone are wearing them. Just a big mess of inconsistency. So many questions. Is this the way until there is a vaccine, or if no vaccine then forever?

I think this is the new normal until there's a vaccine. Be interesting to see how work places cope when everyone's back off furlough.

 

[tisza]

We paid £3.95 for 50 disposable masks on Amazon, saw the same ones in Boots for £30!

Happened here. Gouging on prices. Now a lot of stores/individuals left with huge stocks they can't shift. N95 masks were around a pound a piece in Jan. Seen them as much as 15 quid a piece in March now back to around 2 quid.
500ml of 80% sanitiser 2 quid Jan. 100ml 15 quid in April. Now back down 4 quid for the 500ml.

 

[tisza]

We've had mandatory masks for months. Death rate around 1 or 2 a day now but still most people still wearing masks where they are supposed to
Where it falls down a bit is small store owners who need every customer and so are a bit more lax.

 

[Macca]

I think this is the new normal until there's a vaccine. Be interesting to see how work places cope when everyone's back off furlough.

I’m very lucky in that I can work from home so my view is that if they think I need a mask to go in the office because it’s not safe then I guess I’ll stay where I am

 

[wingy]

I’m very lucky in that I can work from home so my view is that if they think I need a mask to go in the office because it’s not safe then I guess I’ll stay where I am

Not sure they do.
Or that it is a requirement?
PM wants people to return to work

To clog transport and.help the wider economy I think.

 

[larry_david]

I’m very lucky in that I can work from home so my view is that if they think I need a mask to go in the office because it’s not safe then I guess I’ll stay where I am

Exactly. They need to be careful here, trying to get people back saying it will be safe then insisting on masks indoors. Alot of people I work with will say fuck that I'll be staying at home then.

 

[clint van damme]

bloody hell

Coronavirus: UK must prepare for second wave now or risk 120,000 deaths this winter, major report warns

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

bloody hell

Coronavirus: UK must prepare for second wave now or risk 120,000 deaths this winter, major report warns

Pure click-bait scaremongery....I just read the same "story" on the beeb....

......what if your arm bursts?

 

[clint van damme]

Pure click-bait scaremongery....I just read the same "story" on the beeb....

......what if your arm bursts?

I did think that until I read this at the end:

"The "reasonable worst-case planning scenario" agreed by the government's advisory group SAGE found on 29 March a first peak could see as many as 50,000 deaths."

 

[David O'Day]

Pure click-bait scaremongery....I just read the same "story" on the beeb....

......what if your arm bursts?

How it's a story about the worst case scenario report for a second wave. The worst case scenario report for the first wave was 50k deaths which we will hit.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

How it's a story about the worst case scenario report for a second wave. The worst case scenario report for the first wave was 50k deaths which we will hit.

Its a story of a group of folks guesstimating the outcomes of a complete set of variables & unknowns with a range of possible deaths from a few thousand to a 1/4 million....one of several potential worst case scenarios full of caveats & confirmations that it isn't even a prediction.....

keeping in mind its gots more caveats than a caveat shop, .....they could just have easily run the same article with the low end figure of a few thousand as a headline.....so why didn't they?

Clickbait scaremongery is why.

 

[David O'Day]

Its a story of a group of folks guesstimating the outcomes of a complete set of variables & unknowns with a range of possible deaths from a few thousand to a 1/4 million....one of several potential worst case scenarios full of caveats & confirmations that it isn't even a prediction.....

keeping in mind its gots more caveats than a caveat shop, .....they could just have easily run the same article with the low end figure of a few thousand as a headline.....so why didn't they?

Clickbait scaremongery is why.

Run the story about the reasonable worst case scenario without giving the reasonable worst case scenario and giving the number which ism't the reasonable worst case scenario?

Okay

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Run the story about the reasonable worst case scenario without giving the reasonable worst case scenario and giving the number which ism't the reasonable worst case scenario?

Okay

Thats exactly what they've done though aint it? The headline figure isn't the reasonable worst case scenario figure....its about 2.5 times higher.

Also, the estimate does not take into account any prohibitive actions, lockdowns, treatments or vaccines.....so they may as well stick a wet finger in the wind & whistle.

 

[clint van damme]

Thats exactly what they've done though aint it? The headline figure isn't the reasonable worst case scenario figure....its about 2.5 times higher.

Also, the estimate does not take into account any prohibitive actions, lockdowns, treatments or vaccines.....so they may as well stick a wet finger in the wind & whistle.

given we've had more deaths than the initial worse case scenario report in March predicted and the idea of the report is to prompt preparation for a second wave wouldn't it be defeating the object to down play the potential severity of a second wave?

 

[Ian1779]

Its a story of a group of folks guesstimating the outcomes of a complete set of variables & unknowns with a range of possible deaths from a few thousand to a 1/4 million....one of several potential worst case scenarios full of caveats & confirmations that it isn't even a prediction.....

keeping in mind its gots more caveats than a caveat shop, .....they could just have easily run the same article with the low end figure of a few thousand as a headline.....so why didn't they?

Clickbait scaremongery is why.

If it makes a few more people chuck masks on and think twice about their behaviours then it might not be the worst article.

 

[ajsccfc]

When we're approaching 50000 deaths from a life-changing virus that didn't exist a year ago I'm not sure anything can be dismissed as scaremongering any more.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Its a story of a group of folks guesstimating the outcomes of a complete set of variables & unknowns with a range of possible deaths from a few thousand to a 1/4 million....one of several potential worst case scenarios full of caveats & confirmations that it isn't even a prediction.....

keeping in mind its gots more caveats than a caveat shop, .....they could just have easily run the same article with the low end figure of a few thousand as a headline.....so why didn't they?

Clickbait scaremongery is why.

Come off it, it isn't even a prediction of deaths in all settings.
We're sleepwalking into a disaster, already as bad as the reasonable worst case scenario for the first wave yet still tiny amounts of testing, no comprehensive test and trace and reopening pubs and restaurants. On top of that a dickhead PM encouraging people not to social distance by returning to offices even where they don't need to.
Every single measure has been completely reactive, hence why we're one of the worst countries in the world in just about every covid measure.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Come off it, it isn't even a prediction of deaths in all settings.
We're sleepwalking into a disaster, already as bad as the reasonable worst case scenario for the first wave yet still tiny amounts of testing, no comprehensive test and trace and reopening pubs and restaurants. On top of that a dickhead PM encouraging people not to social distance by returning to offices even where they don't need to.
Every single measure has been completely reactive, hence why we're one of the worst countries in the world in just about every covid measure.

Top of the death charts though.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Come off it, it isn't even a prediction of deaths in all settings.
We're sleepwalking into a disaster, already as bad as the reasonable worst case scenario for the first wave yet still tiny amounts of testing, no comprehensive test and trace and reopening pubs and restaurants. On top of that a dickhead PM encouraging people not to social distance by returning to offices even where they don't need to.
Every single measure has been completely reactive, hence why we're one of the worst countries in the world in just about every covid measure.

i'm not denying any of that. I also agree with CVDs point about the report hopefully acting as a catalyst for a ramping up of preparation.

I'm just stating that, imho, the headline figures in the story itself is one of scaremongery, especially as we all know that headline figure will become todays go-to and is already being reported (presented) on the radio as a fact based prediction, yet It is nothing of the sort.
All the conditions, caveats, ifs, buts & maybes get lost in the noise & I know by tea-time this evening my mother-in-law & millions like her will be ramped back up into a high state of anxiety......its not helpful

 

[Ring Of Steel]

i'm not denying any of that. I also agree with CVDs point about the report hopefully acting as a catalyst for a ramping up of preparation.

I'm just stating that, imho, the headline figures in the story itself is one of scaremongery, especially as we all know that headline figure will become todays go-to and is already being reported (presented) on the radio as a fact based prediction, yet It is nothing of the sort.
All the conditions, caveats, ifs, buts & maybes get lost in the noise & I know by tea-time this evening my mother-in-law & millions like her will be ramped back up into a high state of anxiety......its not helpful

No idea how something can be dismissed as 'scaremongering' when the first half of it has already come true & then some. And it is arguably better to be in a high sate of anxiety than be sleepwalking into more mass deaths. Have you actually seen what has happened around you over the last few months?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Just on a civil service live event with professor chris whitty. He was just asked why we have the highest death rate

he answered in 3 mins

Multiple reasons

How it started
Particular response In our country
Demographics

Clarified we are One of the worst

Need to Learn lessons

In Hindsight Some things would have been done differently

Some we did right too - 2 main things

The solution is a scientific - not an accident that leading vaccine and drug are coming out of the uk.

And that we managed to Speed up many of our processes from months to days.

Also said that anything Negative Is amplified
And anything Positive Is hidden

really interesting

 

[Ian1779]

i'm not denying any of that. I also agree with CVDs point about the report hopefully acting as a catalyst for a ramping up of preparation.

I'm just stating that, imho, the headline figures in the story itself is one of scaremongery, especially as we all know that headline figure will become todays go-to and is already being reported (presented) on the radio as a fact based prediction, yet It is nothing of the sort.
All the conditions, caveats, ifs, buts & maybes get lost in the noise & I know by tea-time this evening my mother-in-law & millions like her will be ramped back up into a high state of anxiety......its not helpful

I know what you are saying, and it is happening all over the place. Look at that article in the Mail on Sunday about a Chinese ‘cyber 9/11 attack’ - that will be taken as fact by the same kind of people, that will think China unleashed the virus through 5G towers and then they’ll try and incapacitate us using our iPhones. Everything has been scaremongering - the reason is seems quite clear to me....

A lack of any kind of leadership, direction, firm and decisive guidance from what is shaping up to be the most incompetent government in the history of the UK. Easy to fill the narrative with scaremongering nonsense when the government of the day say nothing.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

No idea how something can be dismissed as 'scaremongering' when the first half of it has already come true & then some. And it is arguably better to be in a high sate of anxiety than be sleepwalking into more mass deaths. Have you actually seen what has happened around you over the last few months?

Have you actually read the "article" or any of the following posts?

...and with regards you're rather condescending remark about witnessing whats going on, I'd bet the cost of a ST that I've seen far more of it first hand than you in your white-collar sleepy little irish idyll.

 

[fernandopartridge]

i'm not denying any of that. I also agree with CVDs point about the report hopefully acting as a catalyst for a ramping up of preparation.

I'm just stating that, imho, the headline figures in the story itself is one of scaremongery, especially as we all know that headline figure will become todays go-to and is already being reported (presented) on the radio as a fact based prediction, yet It is nothing of the sort.
All the conditions, caveats, ifs, buts & maybes get lost in the noise & I know by tea-time this evening my mother-in-law & millions like her will be ramped back up into a high state of anxiety......its not helpful

I don't think that's a bad thing, the whole thing was massively understated and underplayed back in February and March to our great cost. To allay fears, the onus is on the government to put in place some serious and comprehensive health protection measures, not on the media to not report was an independent advisory group's worst case scenario.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I don't think that's a bad thing, the whole thing was massively understated and underplayed back in February and March to our great cost. To allay fears, the onus is on the government to put in place some serious and comprehensive health protection measures, not on the media to not report was an independent advisory group's worst case scenario.

Yep worst case scenario moved a lot of people’s mindsets but is now being rejected as fake news isn’t it. Interesting. Someone likened it just now on being run over

We know it’s risky to cross busy roads so we have crossing points and pedestrian lights and people look both ways and the number of deaths reduces

So when the number of deaths reduces we’d be idiotic to say it’s not necessary to look both ways or cross when the lights say we can

Covid is deadly, dangerous and highly contagious. Just cause we’ve mitigated it’s effects doesn’t change the virus however positive we want to be about it

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Here is the same story from the beeb.....with many of the ifs, buts & maybes that sky omitted...

Winter wave of coronavirus 'could be much worse'

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Have you actually read the "article" or any of the following posts?

...and with regards you're rather condescending remark about witnessing whats going on, I'd bet the cost of a ST that I've seen far more of it first hand than you in your white-collar sleepy little irish idyll.

Not really interested in the cute little attempts to insult, however the reality is that to not be highly vigilant, careful etc would be massively foolhardy, and attempts to write stuff off as "scaremongering" and "not helpful" is patently stupid.

 

[David O'Day]

Here is the same story from the beeb.....with many of the ifs, buts & maybes that sky omitted...

Winter wave of coronavirus 'could be much worse'

What are you talking about the likely reasonable worst case is 120k - there is a range yes but that 120k is the what they think would be the worst case.

I think you misunderstand how these estimates work, they think it is 120k but it could be higher or it could be lower.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Not really interested in the cute little attempts to insult, however the reality is that to not be highly vigilant, careful etc would be massively foolhardy, and attempts to write stuff off as "scaremongering" and "not helpful" is patently stupid.

Not understanding the dramatic & significant negative effects that sensationalist scaremongering headlines have on the mental health & well-being of society most vulnerable groups is patently stupid.

Interestingly, the beeb have since changed their headline from the more panic laden early morning version.......so i'm clearly not alone in thinking the headline may have over-egged it somewhat.

Anyway.....if the report gives the government a kick up the arse, then great. But as a stand alone numerical prediction (which the authors point out its not even a prediction) its about as much use as a chocolate teapot....especially once you included all the whys, ifs, whens, buts & maybes.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Not understanding the dramatic & significant negative effects that sensationalist scaremongering headlines have on the mental health & well-being of society most vulnerable groups is patently stupid.

Interestingly, the beeb have since changed their headline from the more panic laden early morning version.......so i'm clearly not alone in thinking the headline may have over-egged it somewhat.

Anyway.....if the report gives the government a kick up the arse, then great. But as a stand alone numerical prediction (which the authors point out its not even a prediction) its about as much use as a chocolate teapot....especially once you included all the whys, ifs, whens, buts & maybes.

Still not sure how you can classify the figure as 'sensationalist' when you had the chief medical officer throwing figures like 20,000 around a few months ago and we're more than three times that, and we've been fed lies, bullshit, false claims of success every single day. That was truly sensationalist. They aren't saying its a prediction, no, thats kind of the point here, they're saying that if people aren't ultra vigilant it could be even more horrendous in winter- really not sure why you're so revved up by this.

 

[chiefdave]

And yet during the peak with 1000 deaths a day you could freely walk around the supermarket. Now people out in the open air walking their dogs 100 metres from anyone are wearing them. Just a big mess of inconsistency. So many questions. Is this the way until there is a vaccine, or if no vaccine then forever?

I'm just working on the basis of outside is OK so long as you maintain 2m distancing, anywhere inside then its mask on. Not that I'm risking the pub but if I did why would it be safe to be inside with a load of strangers and minimal distancing without a mask? Makes no sense.

Might not be a bad thing if there's permanent improvements in hygiene standards. Was the wearing of masks common in Asia before SARS or did they start then? Wonder what impact their mask wearing has had on the rates of flu.

It needs to be a really simple message. Its either masks all the time or its not. We saw when we went from Stay Home to Stay Alert that nuanced messages and relying on peoples common sense doesn't work.