skybluetony176
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That’s just project fear.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (71 Viewers)
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skybluetony176
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That’s pretty much what Boris’ sister said when she was saying how her brother only represents the disaster capitalists that have backed him.
skybluetony176
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We should have given them back decades ago. Along with all the stuff we stole from Egypt, let’s give that back.
Ring Of Steel
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Hey Dom- why do you keep posting stuff then deleting it, I see it all on my phone 
Stand by your views- you wanna state your support for Prince Charles, Andrew, the Queen etc you go right ahead, you wanna talk about how Dominic Cummings & Boris are good guys you go right ahead, have some confidence in your opinions
Stand by your views- you wanna state your support for Prince Charles, Andrew, the Queen etc you go right ahead, you wanna talk about how Dominic Cummings & Boris are good guys you go right ahead, have some confidence in your opinions
NorthernWisdom
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Hey Dom- why do you keep posting stuff then deleting it, I see it all on my phone
That'll be his mum deleting them.
SkyBlueDom26
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Hey Dom- why do you keep posting stuff then deleting it, I see it all on my phone
Stand by your views- you wanna state your support for Prince Charles, Andrew, the Queen etc you go right ahead, you wanna talk about how Dominic Cummings & Boris are good guys you go right ahead, have some confidence in your opinions
Just admit you hate the UK, absolute bellend....
Think most of the country like Boris tbh that’s why he got voted in
Ring Of Steel
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SkyBlueDom26
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I like the way you’re signing off your posts, very apt
You have to make different accounts to try and prove ya points, how embarrassing
Ring Of Steel
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Well no matter what account is used you end up looking like a racist, a homophobe and massively ignorant, so I guess it doesn’t matter which account is used ‘cause the end result is always the same
I’m off to walk the dog, you may take the floor.
SkyBlueDom26
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So all 35 people that voted leave on this thread are what you’ve just said then? You ain’t right in the head mad mart!! Just because people voted different to you doesn’t mean they hate everyone and everythingWell no matter what account is used you end up looking like a racist, a homophobe and massively ignorant, so I guess it doesn’t matter which account is used ‘cause the end result is always the same
I’m off to walk the dog, you may take the floor.
Ring Of Steel
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Nope, but they don’t make a habit of praising Dominic Cummings, hyping up Boris, Prince Andrew & the others- you do. The others have stated legitimate reasons, you don’t, you just rock up sticking up for the racists & other highly sinister individuals. You’re either just plain ignorant or you do approve of what the above get up to, only you know which it is.
I need to switch accounts now, laters
Sick Boy
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Yeah I’ve noticed that as well. All of this stuff coming out about Cummings is quite disturbing, just maybe he’s realised that he’s voted for a bunch of scumbags.Hey Dom- why do you keep posting stuff then deleting it, I see it all on my phone
Stand by your views- you wanna state your support for Prince Charles, Andrew, the Queen etc you go right ahead, you wanna talk about how Dominic Cummings & Boris are good guys you go right ahead, have some confidence in your opinions
skybluetony176
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Noticed it to. I think it’s because he posts, then Google’s what you said, realises that you’re on to something so has to go back quickly and delete his post in case he looks stupid and then sit back in the glow of knowing he’s dodged that bullet.
This is what I don’t quite get Sick boy, why would you (or others)be happy with the EUs stance ? This is like groundhog day but we have moved on and left so surely you (and others) should just want what is best for us now. I’m surprised people can be supportive of the EUs current stance on what are essentially now discussions to secure a free trade agreement (which would mean zero tariffs on a majority of goods thereby cheaper products for citizens in the U.K. and Europe ?)
The current requests for a level playing field our outside of the free trade talks usual remit. Why is this acceptable ? Why should the EU have an influence/jurisdiction over our rules and regulations now we have left ?
We already maintain higher standards way above EU minimum standards in various areas of employee rights, should all EU countries match our standards ie on maternity, sick pay, minimum wage ? The net migration figures from the EU over the past 10 years support what EU citizens think our employment opportunities and rights. We don’t need EU directions to maintain that ? (Worth having a read of this Don’t be fooled – the EU is no defender of workers’ rights | Larry Elliott)
and ultimately if U.K. citizens see their employment rights being eroded in future, you know what, they can vote to change the government.
In relation to state aid influence look at the number of times the EU has had to intervened in state aid cases in the U.K. compared to other EU nations, who all appear to take the piss. However, if the government now wants to help certain key industries for the country why shouldn’t it be allowed ?
I have no doubt that we will maintain high environmental standards, why do we need to follow the EU on this ? We were the first major economy to pass the net zero emissions by 2050 into law. I think the EU are still finalising this but it excludes Poland and certain other EU nations want financial incentives.
How can the EU want to influence our corporate tax policy when it allows Ireland, which is on our doorstep, to have Corp Tax of 12.5% and further huge incentives/tax breaks in innovation areas ?
Ultimately we’re a goods importing nation with a massive trade deficit on goods traded with Europe (£90bn) Whilst they are obviously a bigger, more powerful bloc, tariffs will damage a lot of currently struggling EU nations as well as our own. In a world when they are wider trade battles ie with Trump over tariffs, do they really think this is best for a majority of EU citizens ?
Be in no doubt this is purely damage limitation from the EU perspective. They desperately don’t want a more competitive direct neighbour. For all the doomsayers, we are forecast to grow more than Germany, France and the EU as a whole this year. Germany as we all know is the European powerhouse (and to some large extent are essential to its prosperity) is forecast to grow at only 1.1%, last year it was 0.6%. Also see some recent comments from the IMF in terms of our longer term future economic standing and even Mark Carney which certainly forecast the future in a (much) more positive light than previously.
I personally want the EU countries to flourish as ultimately, we will benefit. Why wouldn’t they want the same for the UK, unless it is purely for political reasons of protecting ‘the project’ ?
If so, basically, what they and others appear to be saying, is that its ok for the EU to unilaterally make a majority of its citizens worse off because it doesn’t want the UK to make a success of leaving the EU ? I just can’t get my head around that personally.
I don’t expect people to agree with everything above and I know many are still, quite rightly, upset about the result and where we are (as they didn’t vote for it), however, now we have left, the question is, why would UK citizens not want us to be the most successful country as we can be, even if it doesn’t fit in with the EU project ?
NorthernWisdom
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It's not being happy, it's being pissed off that what was dismissed by imperialist idiocy... actually happens.
And *still* it's the people pointing that out that get the brickbats.
Its a negotiation stance, not the end outcome though NW. everyone knew the EU would be difficult, they didn’t want us to leave. It now depends how far, under the current circumstances, they want to push their ideological support of the EU project over the best interests for the EU and UK citizens
ps there are still many EU supporters that appear want to see a major UK downturn as a result of leaving the EU because they are so entrenched in their views. It’s not happened so far and I’m still keeping my fingers crossed that it doesn’t. James O’Brien is definitely one of those... every subject he discusses he appears to tie back into 2016. The bloke is weirdly obsessed (bizarre as he’s obviously very intelligent)
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He's the opposite of Farage .
Invested , entrenched in the belief that the EU is s good thing like plenty of us.
I guess he may feel more European after 40 yrs .like many do.
skybluetony176
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Then why the faux shock and anger about the EU’s behaviour from sections of the press and sections of Brexit voters. We keep getting told that they know what they voted for so if that’s true then this is nothing to be either shocked or angered by. It’s just part of the process that they voted for. The only emotion that they should be conveying is acceptance, acceptance of the path they’ve brought the country down. The misdirection of accusing remainers of being happy about the EU’s stance, fingers crossed for a U.K. downturn etc. is quite frankly pathetic.
NorthernWisdom
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Again though, the simple fact will be that the best interests for the EU is demonstrating that leaving does not bring beneficial results to an individual country, and you're better off in the bloc.
That's not going to change, it's going to be awkward, it's running completely counter to what we're trying to do (which, seemingly, is not to reflect the mood of the country as a whole and try and heal wounds by reaching a happy compromise that allows both sides to grudgingly accept the result).
So, we have to hope that somehow the negotiating tactics work, the same as we have to desperately hope that leaving works.
That doesn't involve ignoring what's in front of your face, however.
SkyBlueDom26
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Its true though, just because we've left the EU people are now wanting us to get a shite deal its obvious to 'prove a point'
Would be great if people could actually accept it instead of bitching and making things as hard as possible
NorthernWisdom
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Yeah, I desperately want to lose my job and be out on the streets to prove a point.
SkyBlueDom26
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Why the constant bitching then?
It’s not pathetic, people quite happily picking any the negatives. Very rarely do you see any acknowledgement of any positive news and/or push back against the EUs position
Its also not faux outrage, I just said, I can’t get my head around it but then again, I’ve never really bought into the whole EU political project so have probably always held a sceptical view in relation to their position/stance
I also appreciate its just their starting negotiating position. As I have said before though the EU have overplayed their (admittedly strong) hand twice previously, once when they could’ve given Cameron (who was half hearted in negotiations) a little bit that would’ve swung the referendum result and then again with May when she was trying to force through her WA through, that would’ve ensured full alignment they are now pushing for. It wouldn’t surprise me to see them do it again which will damage them and us.
From our perspective it’s a mess because of the union but I’m reasonably relaxed about our future prospects (global economic pressures aside). I’d imagine a lot of countries will want a broadly free trade agreement with us as we are a significant net importer of goods
NorthernWisdom
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Can you read words of more than one syllable?
Ring Of Steel
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If you can't see what is going to happen then you need your head examined.
The next 10 months are going to be an exercise in pro-brexit people talking about how intransigent the EU are, how they are bullying us, how they are so nasty, while us plucky "spirit of Dunkirk" Brits are doing everything we possibly can- this is in order to well and truly convince everyone that the EU are the bad guys in all this. Then there will be no deal, and the govt have their scapegoat all nicely lined up so nobody blames them.
Its so obvious and so easy to spot, you must be living under a rock to not see what is happening, I see Steve is already nicely taken in by all the "ooh they're being mean to us" style propaganda.
It makes me laugh when the brexit people talk about "looking after our own first" from now on and prioritising our own country, then start going nuts at the EU for.. well "looking after their own first" and prioritising their own countries.
the UK is now going to get steamrollered by the EU, USA and the rest- you voted for it so stop with the "constant bitching" and suck it up, this is what you wanted. And yes, you are going to have many, many people saying they told you so, because... they told you so.
The next 10 months are going to be an exercise in pro-brexit people talking about how intransigent the EU are, how they are bullying us, how they are so nasty, while us plucky "spirit of Dunkirk" Brits are doing everything we possibly can- this is in order to well and truly convince everyone that the EU are the bad guys in all this. Then there will be no deal, and the govt have their scapegoat all nicely lined up so nobody blames them.
Its so obvious and so easy to spot, you must be living under a rock to not see what is happening, I see Steve is already nicely taken in by all the "ooh they're being mean to us" style propaganda.
It makes me laugh when the brexit people talk about "looking after our own first" from now on and prioritising our own country, then start going nuts at the EU for.. well "looking after their own first" and prioritising their own countries.
the UK is now going to get steamrollered by the EU, USA and the rest- you voted for it so stop with the "constant bitching" and suck it up, this is what you wanted. And yes, you are going to have many, many people saying they told you so, because... they told you so.
I’m sure you don’t NW, I was suggesting people wanting direct negative impact on themselves/individuals
ps employment prospects and wages for most have gone up since 2016. It’s not a given but hopefully that will continue
I’m obviously a little more optimistic about future prospects RoS but each to their own. There’s plenty of variables and dynamics at play... countries (EU and non EU) economic performances, US election, things like corona virus (if it can’t be controlled). Just need to make it work and see how it goes
NorthernWisdom
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Hasn't in my area!!
Ring Of Steel
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And there in a nutshell you have the entire UK strategy- "Just need to make it work and see how it goes".
As for saying that the Corona virus might somehow help get a better deal- farcical.
Never said that. I was saying that there are dynamics at play that will impact how we as a country do. If the global growth dropped because of something like corona virus, then it will impact us whatever the deal is with the EU.
The make it work comment was to say we are where we are, so we will have to get on with it and make it work. Most businesses can and will do, whatever the outcome.
Ps that’s the problem people just read and pick the bits that suit their argument, without reading and/or acknowledging there is good and bad
clint van damme
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you've managed to read in to people predicting a bad outcome as them wanting the country to fail.
Ring Of Steel
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Another problem I have with all this- why are the people like Steve only focusing on "businesses" being alright?
What about the people who've lived here for 40 years who are being deported? What about the people who now can't travel the way they used to? How about the people who have already lost their jobs & the others to come?
Its not all about the economy and really keeping our lickle fingers crossed that the richer people can get even richer, there are millions of people who are going to be affected and you don't seem to give a toss about them, its all about 'economic indicators' and this guff- what about the rest of the population? Where are the "indicators" for the millions of people now filling in forms so they can stay in the country they've already lived in for decades? How about the people that are reading about about how their cost of living is about to go up- do you also tell them "you'll just have to make it work", and are you going to throw out these insulting platitudes to the students & carers who Priti Patel now says can fill the "skills gap" after brexit?
As long as business owners can protect their wealth you see no problem, which is typical, but all the same narrow minded & pathetic.
What about the people who've lived here for 40 years who are being deported? What about the people who now can't travel the way they used to? How about the people who have already lost their jobs & the others to come?
Its not all about the economy and really keeping our lickle fingers crossed that the richer people can get even richer, there are millions of people who are going to be affected and you don't seem to give a toss about them, its all about 'economic indicators' and this guff- what about the rest of the population? Where are the "indicators" for the millions of people now filling in forms so they can stay in the country they've already lived in for decades? How about the people that are reading about about how their cost of living is about to go up- do you also tell them "you'll just have to make it work", and are you going to throw out these insulting platitudes to the students & carers who Priti Patel now says can fill the "skills gap" after brexit?
As long as business owners can protect their wealth you see no problem, which is typical, but all the same narrow minded & pathetic.
skybluetony176
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If I wanted to celebrate us getting a shite deal I’d have voted leave.
The only people failing to accept the reality of Brexit is those who voted for it. Grow up, take ownership of your vote and stop looking to those who voted opposite to you as someone sort of scapegoat with the nonsense you keep spouting.
skybluetony176
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It is pathetic. Blaming those that didn’t vote for this shitfest rather than taking ownership of your own vote is pathetic. Quite often the people who do this are the same ones who get upset at the suggestion that they didn’t know what they voted for and/or they were too thick to understand what they voted for. If that’s true take the responsibility of what you voted for and stop trying to deflect/blame those that didn’t vote for. If you do anything other than that then pathetic is probably too small of a word if anything.
