Brighton Sky Blue

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I hadn't realised anyone was using it as the basis for future performance. Isn't it an attempt to gauge relative performance, removing the discrepancy in number of games played?

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Yeah, but it's often used to predict the end of season table and it doesn't account for relative difficulty of opposition. More a caveat than a criticism
 

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Yeah, but it's often used to predict the end of season table and it doesn't account for relative difficulty of opposition. More a caveat than a criticism
Take your point. Such a table might be more meaningful once all teams have played each other.

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Take your point. Such a table might be more meaningful once all teams have played each other.

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True, but then we're just getting closer to the point that all games have been played. I think there probably is more merit to an Elo/Glicko rating but with a huge number of variables predicting the future in football still seems in the distant well...future.
 
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True, but then we're just getting closer to the point that all games have been played. I think there probably is more merit to an Elo/Glicko rating but with a huge number of variables predicting the future in football still seems in the distant well...future.
You've gone too deep for me, I'm afraid!

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That was purely meant as a snap shot of current performance based on games played to date. It's not intended as a forecast for end of season positions.

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Love this - did you create that from scratch?

We are essentially 4th then on level playing field
Yeah, just copied the table and then did the calculation and then sorted it by points per game.

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Goal difference of plus 3 tells you that our position in the table is rather flattering At the moment
 

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Goal difference of plus 3 tells you that our position in the table is rather flattering At the moment

Huddersfield were promoted to the Premier League with a -2 goal difference. I know we all like to be as negative as we possibly can but we are having a decent season. Can't we just be happy that we've done well so far, even if there's still room for improvement?
 

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Goal difference of plus 3 tells you that our position in the table is rather flattering At the moment
I don’t think we are flattered by our position. The only game I thought we were lucky to win was Fleetwood. The only game we deserved to lose was Rotherham, and we did. If we had more of the rub of the green with regard to referees we would be in an even better position. With regard to the goal difference it shows that we win games often by a single goal. Anyone who has watched our games knows that a lot of them should have won by a 2 or 3 goal margin. I think it does show we need someone to consistently put the ball away.
 
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Philosoraptor

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I hadn't realised anyone was using it as the basis for future performance...

If all you ever seen are green apples you can't say all apples are green 'cause when someone hands you a red apple you are going to feel like Grendel. However, this hasn't stopped science from making a killing from this sort of working out.

Yes, it's future predictions as well.

It's not just predicting the present position of each team in the division but their finishing positions as well.

The more games played: the more accurate it gets.
 

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If you look at the faded line in the graph, the earlier games show much more ratings deviations then later on in the graph. The more games played the more stable the ratings become.

A note also needs to be made with this years line that the teams started with last years gradings which should make sorting teams a lot more accurate but can lead to some interesting choice of gradings earlier on in the competition, for example Portsmouth.
 

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If all you ever seen are green apples you can't say all apples are green 'cause when someone hands you a red apple you are going to feel like Grendel. However, this hasn't stopped science from making a killing from this sort of working out.

Yes, it's future predictions as well.

It's not just predicting the present position of each team in the division but their finishing positions as well.

The more games played: the more accurate it gets.
Your first paragraph leaves me baffled, especially the Grendel reference.

Anyway, I take it you're referring to your more sophisticated models when you say that they are predictive, rather than stup07's analysis of results to date? You'd hope that any model would become more accurate as data accumulates, otherwise it's fit for fuck all. Keep up the good work.

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It’s all over the place isn’t it. I know it’s because of bury going bust and so that game throws everyone out but got to admit it makes the season a bit weird. Hard to get excited about the league table when it doesn’t really mean anything.

Burton have 3 games in hand on us
Four out of the current top 6 have played the same number of games - Wouldn't worry too much about any of that, Cov will finish in the top two from what I have seen in this league - added to that statement
1. We have a number of players returning from injury but still kept in the top 6 mix when we were down to bare bones
2. Lots of teams in the top two divisions would loan a player to us in January (if we needed) as they like the way Mark Robins plays his football and looks after loan players - Robins does not get loan players in and let them rot on the bench
3. Robins is an excellent manager
 

Philosoraptor

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Your first paragraph leaves me baffled, especially the Grendel reference.

Anyway, I take it you're referring to your more sophisticated models when you say that they are predictive, rather than stup07's analysis of results to date? You'd hope that any model would become more accurate as data accumulates, otherwise it's fit for fuck all. Keep up the good work.

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Problem of induction - Wikipedia

I thought Grendel would appreciate this :)
 
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A bird in the oven ‘is worth two in the bush :emoji_thinking: or summat like that.
 

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