Club Statement regarding EFL vote and stadium situation (2 Viewers)

[SkyBlueCRJ]

I’m only suggesting a limited time. It’d bring in some funds whilst the uncertainty is happening.

I’m actually personally against the Bradford model - I’m talking for like 3 weeks then when the stadium is confirmed the proper ticketing strategy comes into place

You can't offer deals for tickets when we don't know where we're playing, for a number of reasons.

Plus it still wouldn't work as everyone would rush to purchase the tickets at the lowest price. Usually after the early bird window the club gets very few purchases in comparison to tickets sold during this period. It would end up being counter productive for the club both for the forthcoming season and in the long term.

 

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[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

Knowing what our fanbase will be like, if it's not sorted soon we will have a NOPM brigade / 'I'm not getting a season ticket because they announced it too late!'

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

You can't offer deals for tickets when we don't know where we're playing, for a number of reasons.

Plus it still wouldn't work as everyone would rush to purchase the tickets at the lowest price. Usually after the early bird window the club gets very few purchases in comparison to tickets sold during this period. It would end up being counter productive for the club both for the forthcoming season and in the long term.

Course you could that’s why I suggested the mark down until it’s known.

There wouldn’t be a rush, but you may aswell and attempt to bring in some money quickly whilst the negotiation is ongoing -

I’d hazard you’d get 1000 die hard a who will follow them anyway,

Then once the ground is sorted you revert to £300 - you’d get 6000 easily at the Ricoh. Although as I write this you’ve screwed yourself if we’re at St. Andrews because not many more than the initial 1000 would get STs

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Course you could that’s why I suggested the mark down until it’s known.

There wouldn’t be a rush, but you may aswell and attempt to bring in some money quickly whilst the negotiation is ongoing -

I’d hazard you’d get 1000 die hard a who will follow them anyway,

Then once the ground is sorted you revert to £300 - you’d get 6000 easily at the Ricoh. Although as I write this you’ve screwed yourself if we’re at St. Andrews because not many more than the initial 1000 would get STs

You can't because if it turns out that the club is playing at the Ricoh next season and thousands of fans have bought reduced season tickets, do you not realise that qualifies a significant financial loss to the club? Season tickets are set at their price for a reason. They're not pulled out of thin air.

Exactly, lets say we're definitely playing at St. Andrews. We'd probably get 1000 die hard fans who'd be willing to make the trip, and the club knows that, so why would they cut the standard season ticket by, lets say, 50% and then take a 50% loss, when realistically said die hard fans would probably pay the full amount anyway?

Plus what if the ground isn't sorted and St. Andrews is our permanent home for the foreseeable future? Do the club keep season tickets at the discounted price until we're back at the Ricoh? The main issue with your logic is that it isn't fair. You can't drop ST's to 'competitive' prices only to pump them back up again overnight, regardless of the situation we're in. It will piss fans off I can assure you. I've had this conversation before with people that are far more qualified to make these decisions than you or I.

 

[Legia Sky Blue]

It's a hugely difficult balancing act. Given that we believe a large number of season ticket holders would buy them whatever, rather than following the Bradford model, the club might be better increasing the prices, even at St Andrews. I think season tickets last season worked out to the equivalent cost of attending 12 individual matches (not absolutely sure about that), but given we play 23 home games in a season, there is probably scope to increase the price to say something like the equivalent of 18 games a season, and maybe also offer a free extra ticket to season ticket holders as a sweetener, for say maybe non Saturday games.

By the way I have just thought of this as I've read through the thread, so this is definitely not an entrenched viewpoint. Just trying to think outside the box a little bit, so.happy to be shot down in flames

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

It's a hugely difficult balancing act. Given that we believe a large number of season ticket holders would buy them whatever, rather than following the Bradford model, the club might be better increasing the prices, even at St Andrews. I think season tickets last season worked out to the equivalent cost of attending 12 individual matches (not absolutely sure about that), but given we play 23 home games in a season, there is probably scope to increase the price to say something like the equivalent of 18 games a season, and maybe also offer a free extra ticket to season ticket holders as a sweetener, for say maybe non Saturday games.

By the way I have just thought of this as I've read through the thread, so this is definitely not an entrenched viewpoint. Just trying to think outside the box a little bit, so.happy to be shot down in flames

There is no evidence to suggest even half would renew if we moved to ST Andrews. We'll be lucky to shift 2000 season tickets.

 

[Legia Sky Blue]

There is no evidence to suggest even half would renew if we moved to ST Andrews. We'll be lucky to shift 2000 season tickets.

You've misunderstood - I probably didn't write it clearly enough. I didn't mean that I think a large number of season ticket holders will go to St Andrews, but rather those that do would probably still do so, even if season ticket prices were increased.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

You can't because if it turns out that the club is playing at the Ricoh next season and thousands of fans have bought reduced season tickets, do you not realise that qualifies a significant financial loss to the club? Season tickets are set at their price for a reason. They're not pulled out of thin air.

Exactly, lets say we're definitely playing at St. Andrews. We'd probably get 1000 die hard fans who'd be willing to make the trip, and the club knows that, so why would they cut the standard season ticket by, lets say, 50% and then take a 50% loss, when realistically said die hard fans would probably pay the full amount anyway?

Plus what if the ground isn't sorted and St. Andrews is our permanent home for the foreseeable future? Do the club keep season tickets at the discounted price until we're back at the Ricoh? The main issue with your logic is that it isn't fair. You can't drop ST's to 'competitive' prices only to pump them back up again overnight, regardless of the situation we're in. It will piss fans off I can assure you. I've had this conversation before with people that are far more qualified to make these decisions than you or I.

As I said you wouldn’t get thousands - I anticipate 1000 at most would buy without knowing the stadium.

With regards to the bottom point, it’s no different to early bird pricing. Like I said the reduction takes into account not knowing. It’s not about fairness it’s about enticing early funding.

Again I’m not an advocate for the Bradford model, I merely thinking of some quick easy ways to make money to allow some transfers the next couple of weeks.

 

[Johnnythespider]

If as has been stated, there is a 2 year deal that was agreed before Wasps found out about the EC, i find myself asking why there is a delay now they have returned to the negotiations, I'm very suspicious of their motives and am waiting for another "reason" to walk away to surface.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

You've misunderstood - I probably didn't write it clearly enough. I didn't mean that I think a large number of season ticket holders will go to St Andrews, but rather those that do would probably still do so, even if season ticket prices were increased.

Ah. Apologies. I suppose it depends on how much the increase is. It's a kick in the teeth as it is if we end up at St Andrews, and so a second kick in the teeth would be the final straw for many There will be those of course with no teeth of their own to start with who would go irrespective, but I still think 2000 max will go to Birmingham with season tickets even if prices were frozen.

 

[Adge]

They said this-he said that. What about when they done this-yes but let’s not forget about when they said that.
Can’t be bothered to trawl through pages and pages of this cobblers.
Boring-boring-boring!

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Did any of you hear the "article" on BBC C&W this morning (just after 7.30), "updating fans" about the Sky Blues situation.
Absolute SHITE!
The female fan they had on "Amanda something-or-other" was just blethering on providing no new information at all. Trish Adudu asked her "Have you bought your season ticket yet?", so clearly unaware that they aren't on sale yet.
Then they had an expert in European law from Cov Uni, talking about changes to the European Commission. While it was reasonably informed in parts, he seemed to think that the EC might consider SISU, the fans, the club situation, etc. WANK - they won't: they will make their decision based solely on whether there was a factual case of state aid contrary to Article 107 of the EU Treaty! Any suggestion that the EC give a shit about "the fans" is just nonsense.

Anyway, for those who didn't hear it, the newly elected European Parliament will vote later this year on who they want to be the new Commissioners for the various treaties. The current Commissioner for Competition has taken a very hard line on the multi-nationals like Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc., where the sums involved are in the tens of billions, and hasn't been too bothered about the minor cases (e.g. £26M). A new commissioner may take a different stance if they believe that "the people" of member states might benefit if they were to look into things like the Ricoh deal.
If we leave the EU, the UK will be enshrining most of the current EU law into UK law, so the expert seemed to think that state aid laws would then come under the jurisdiction of UK courts.

Interesting, but the background knowledge of Sky Blues issues was, as usual, shaky!

 

[Nick]

Did any of you hear the "article" on BBC C&W this morning (just after 7.30), "updating fans" about the Sky Blues situation.
Absolute SHITE!
The female fan they had on "Amanda something-or-other" was just blethering on providing no new information at all. Trish Adudu asked her "Have you bought your season ticket yet?", so clearly unaware that they aren't on sale yet.
Then they had an expert in European law from Cov Uni, talking about changes to the European Commission. While it was reasonably informed in parts, he seemed to think that the EC might consider SISU, the fans, the club situation, etc. WANK - they won't: they will make their decision based solely on whether there was a factual case of state aid contrary to Article 107 of the EU Treaty! Any suggestion that the EC give a shit about "the fans" is just nonsense.

Anyway, for those who didn't hear it, the newly elected European Parliament will vote later this year on who they want to be the new Commissioners for the various treaties. The current Commissioner for Competition has taken a very hard line on the multi-nationals like Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc., where the sums involved are in the tens of billions, and hasn't been too bothered about the minor cases (e.g. £26M). A new commissioner may take a different stance if they believe that "the people" of member states might benefit if they were to look into things like the Ricoh deal.
If we leave the EU, the UK will be enshrining most of the current EU law into UK law, so the expert seemed to think that state aid laws would then come under the jurisdiction of UK courts.

Interesting, but the background knowledge of Sky Blues issues was, as usual, shaky!

That's the issue really, none of them have a fucking clue what they are talking about but try to cover it. It then just ends up misleading people.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

That's the issue really, none of them have a fucking clue what they are talking about but try to cover it. It then just ends up misleading people.

I think the bit about the potential change of direction with a new Commissioner was interesting information, but the rest was just bollocks, especially the naive questions asked by Trish "I'm a Sky Blue fan" Adudu, who clearly doesn't have the faintest idea!
And she's a fucking useless presenter to boot - bring back Shane O'Connor (even though he is a Vile fan)!

 

[Nick]

It's pointless when she even talks about it. Just reading from a bit of paper rather than actually knowing anything. All fake smiles and chuffedness.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Interestingly, their wanky article about Trump's visit was narrated by a BBC reporter called James Alexander. According to his Twitter account, he is based in Halifax, but i am wondering if there is any connection to the knob James Alexander on Twitter who goes by the name of JimmyHillsChin (an insult to the great man). He talks like a Giblet clone, who definitely has the perfect voice for printed media!

 

[covboy1987]

That's the issue really, none of them have a fucking clue what they are talking about but try to cover it. It then just ends up misleading people.[/QUO
That's disgusting with what's going on and fans waiting patiently for news of where we might be playing that our main radio station asks have you purchased your season ticket yet?

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

You can tell she's reading stuff when she asks the next question on the list even though the interviewee just answered it!!

 

[Nick]

You can tell she's reading stuff when she asks the next question on the list even though the interviewee just answered it!!

Yep, it's the same tone no matter what they talk about.

More enthusiasm with "Get in touch today to let me know your views about dogs shitting in the park, yeah wow yeah nice yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh" and all that shit.

Fuck off and stop being fake.

 

[hill83]

Why do you even listen it? Sounds great.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

I was trying to figure out a way of calculating how much time they spend (e.g. between 7.00 and 8.00 on my morning commute) telling the audience how they can get in touch.
Did you know that you can call on 0800 75 65 200 (free from landlines and mobiles), text on 81 333 (start your message Ceeeeeeeeeeeeeee-Double-Yoooooooo - lest your message ends up being read out on BBC Hereford & Worcester or somesuch!) - messages are charged at your standard network rate (although intriguingly incur a fee when on an "unlimited texts" Vodafone work contract!), or on Twitter on @BBCCovWarks????

I'm really happy to learn she's going to see the Spice Girls though!

 

[Nick]

Why do you even listen it? Sounds great.

I don't but it's when it is on in places like waiting rooms. It's not even partridge funny.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Why do you even listen it? Sounds great.

Traffic news mainly - though that is woefully inaccurate and lacking in local knowledge (you'd think they could send their main announcers on a tour of Cov & Warks so they know a BIT about where the Warwick by-pass is, wouldn't you?).

But yes, Hill - you are right, but so many other stations piss me off in other ways!!

 

[hill83]

I don't but it's when it is on in places like waiting rooms. It's not even partridge funny.

Bet you watch Love Island accidentally in waiting rooms as well.

 

[hill83]

But yes, Hill - you are right, but so many other stations piss me off in other ways!!

Absolute 80s.

 

[Nick]

Bet you watch Love Island accidentally in waiting rooms as well.

Nah, they never have it on. Frigid bastards.

 

[Adge]

Bet you watch Love Island accidentally in waiting rooms as well.

Followed by big brother on the other side after.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Did you ever listen to it when they first took Shane O'Connor off and replaced him (in the "Let's get all the straight white male presenters off BBC radio in the name of diversity" experiment) with Trish Adudu and Jo -can't think of her surname - she was a part-time newsreader on Midlands Today? Nice looking girl, and she could read an autocue on the telly quite well, but had ZERO ability to hold a conversation or interview people on the radio. They soon realised that the experiment wasn't going to work and she has now disappeared without trace.

 

[Nick]

Followed by big brother on the other side after.

RIP.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Absolute 80s.

Don't have DAB in my wagon currently, but most stations try to impose their views and/or their music on you, so i quickly lose the will. Tried Classic FM for quite a while, but they re-jigged that and it is more ads than music these days.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Did you ever listen to it when they first took Shane O'Connor off and replaced him (in the "Let's get all the straight white male presenters off BBC radio in the name of diversity" experiment) with Trish Adudu and Jo -can't think of her surname - she was a part-time newsreader on Midlands Today? Nice looking girl, and she could read an autocue on the telly quite well, but had ZERO ability to hold a conversation or interview people on the radio. They soon realised that the experiment wasn't going to work and she has now disappeared without trace.

In fact, it was very similar to when they brought Jo Whiley to co-host Drivetime on Radio 2 with Simon Mayo.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Considering the silence from the Wasps camp especially recently, I do wonder whether talks are going well.

Apart from the previously mentioned 'update' on Trish Adudu's show earlier today which clearly was just used to fill airtime, the PR has noticeably dwindled over the past week. E.g. The CT hasn't posted anything about the Ricoh row since the 28th May, and that was to announce that talks were back on. Similarly, Gilbert hasn't pushed his usual nonsense that he was a couple of weeks back and even some of the strange Twitter accounts have settled down over the past few days.

Whilst I think it's still important that we prepare ourselves for a ground share, I'd suggest that as nothing is being drip fed to people, that says to me Wasps (at the moment touch wood) aren't playing silly buggers and both parties are actually getting their heads down to negotiate a deal. The only issue is, I have in the back of my mind it's a question of when, not if, Wasps will move the goal posts again.

I personally don't think they can use the EC Complaint as ammo as that's already backfired. But if they find something to use as a get out of jail free card they almost certainly will use it. However, given their EC Complaint angle has been found wanting, I do wonder whether Eastwood and Co. will have the balls to move them without sufficient reasons. I.e. Just play the SISU blame game, or dig up previous misgivings. Like I said I don't think they can, so they could be backed into agreeing a deal. I think something will come out this week, not sure how it will play out but I'm confident we're fast approaching the end of this utter fiasco now.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

I admire your confidence, CRJ, and hope it isn't misplaced.
I think you're right that they can't (or rather, really shouldn't) use the EC investigation again, as they've already cried wolf over that one.
I hope they are just negotiating on the actual terms of the agreement at face value, not the other detritus.
MAYBE they have managed to plug the leak in their confidentiality agreement, which is why Giblet, Perry and Co have nothing to guess about?

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

I admire your confidence, CRJ, and hope it isn't misplaced.
I think you're right that they can't (or rather, really shouldn't) use the EC investigation again, as they've already cried wolf over that one.
I hope they are just negotiating on the actual terms of the agreement at face value, not the other detritus.
MAYBE they have managed to plug the leak in their confidentiality agreement, which is why Giblet, Perry and Co have nothing to guess about?

But then again ...

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Funny that he uses the Ricoh and Wasps twitter links but not that for the football club!