Trust response to Tim Fisher (1 Viewer)

[letsallsingtogether]

The Trust is an embarrassment and is about as fit for purpose as Fisher is for CCFC.

There is so such hypocrisy and double standards in their statement surrounding London Wasps and SISU.

The sooner SISU, the franchise and the trust are out of the picture the better.

I think you are stuck with the wasps and sisu.
What the trust or supporters think doesn't matter we have seen that over the last 10 years.
The only ones who can change anything are our prestigious owners or the pests.
Which one will win this game of chicken?

 

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[letsallsingtogether]

Is there a league club in Cornwall? It could make excellent business sense in the long- run.

Coventry pirates

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

The sooner SISU, the franchise and the trust are out of the picture the better.

Never thought of that!

 

[NorthernWisdom]

What the trust or supporters think doesn't matter we have seen that over the last 10 years.

The most damning assessment of modern football of them all, really!

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

The Trust is an embarrassment and is about as fit for purpose as Fisher is for CCFC.

There is so such hypocrisy and double standards in their statement surrounding London Wasps and SISU.

The sooner SISU, the franchise and the trust are out of the picture the better.

The Sky Blues Trust haven’t been fit for purpose for some time now and aren’t taken seriously by anyone. They are sanctimonious and self serving. They seem willing for the club to fold to get SISU out and it’s sheer lunacy. How many other football supporters across the country wish for their team to fold?!

Fuck the Sky Blues Trust

 

[oucho]

I personally think that fans would be reassured if we had a full board of directors, including some drawn from the local community, led by an active, full time chairman/CEO who was visibly in the local media being a cheerleader for the club, banging the drum on our behalf (like BR but more effective on the business side). I do understand that we'd need to ensure this didn't divert funds from the team, but if so then we'd see a team of directors, meeting weekly in Cov, hopefully being more open in terms of the club's plans. This would give fans confidence that we were not being run by a faceless London business entity, with the various people like JS and TF allocating a few hours a week to discuss CCFC matters via Skype. A little re-jig like this wouldn't cost much but could go a long way in making the management seem more local, more accessible and thus letting the fans feel a bit more ownership over the club.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I personally think that fans would be reassured if we had a full board of directors, including some drawn from the local community, led by an active, full time chairman/CEO who was visibly in the local media being a cheerleader for the club, banging the drum on our behalf (like BR but more effective on the business side). I do understand that we'd need to ensure this didn't divert funds from the team, but if so then we'd see a team of directors, meeting weekly in Cov, hopefully being more open in terms of the club's plans. This would give fans confidence that we were not being run by a faceless London business entity, with the various people like JS and TF allocating a few hours a week to discuss CCFC matters via Skype. A little re-jig like this wouldn't cost much but could go a long way in making the management seem more local, more accessible and thus letting the fans feel a bit more ownership over the club.

You'd think that this would be seen as common sense really wouldn't you ? Oh but no.....

 

[oucho]

You'd think that this would be seen as common sense really wouldn't you ? Oh but no.....

Everyone has different views. The trust statement sums up my views but I am happy to accept that others disagree. I do ''tut' every time I see another unattributed statement on the CCFC site regarding the Ricoh row, but then I criticise others who sneer at the Trust at every opportunity. I have had enough of the whole saga now so had enough of slagging off other people for holding different opinions to me. As the Queen said the other day, time to start respecting the legitimacy of opposing views as a first step to agreement and reconciliation.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Everyone has different views. The trust statement sums up my views but I am happy to accept that others disagree. I do ''tut' every time I see another unattributed statement on the CCFC site regarding the Ricoh row, but then I criticise others who sneer at the Trust at every opportunity. I have had enough of the whole saga now so had enough of slagging off other people for holding different opinions to me. As the Queen said the other day, time to start respecting the legitimacy of opposing views as a first step to agreement and reconciliation.

I once wrote a letter to Brian Richardson: I was a season ticket holder and once got to a game and found someone sitting in my seat. The stewards wouldn't move the idiot who refused to leave and instead they put me somewhere else.
I complained and I got back a long letter of apology from Mr Richardson who enclosed 2 free tickets for guests to take for the next home game.
The thing is I wouldn't ever feel like sending a letter to Fisher because despite the endless threads on this site that seem to clarify Fisher's role I really don't think such a letter would reach him. I don't think any letter be it positive or negative would be dealt with by fisher. I don't really know what his position entails. I don't even know the address to send such a letter to. If it's the training ground at Ryton I doubt he knows where it is, though he may have been there with an RBC planning officer .
We need some local people on board, making decisions and being seen to be doing so to repair that void between club and community. It can't be all done by the likes of Boddy but I can't see Tim Fisher getting excited about it. Then again I don't understand whether Fisher and Boddy work together or not. I don't understand much. They don't tell us.

 

[oucho]

I once wrote a letter to Brian Richardson: I was a season ticket holder and once got to a game and found someone sitting in my seat. The stewards wouldn't move the idiot who refused to leave and instead they put me somewhere else.
I complained and I got back a long letter of apology from Mr Richardson who enclosed 2 free tickets for guests to take for the next home game.
The thing is I wouldn't ever feel like sending a letter to Fisher because despite the endless threads on this site that seem to clarify Fisher's role I really don't think such a letter would reach him. I don't think any letter be it positive or negative would be dealt with by fisher. I don't really know what his position entails. I don't even know the address to send such a letter to. If it's the training ground at Ryton I doubt he knows where it is, though he may have been there with an RBC planning officer .
We need some local people on board, making decisions and being seen to be doing so to repair that void between club and community. It can't be all done by the likes of Boddy but I can't see Tim Fisher getting excited about it. Then again I don't understand whether Fisher and Boddy work together or not. I don't understand much. They don't tell us.

If you come across an issue then I suggest you email Dave Boddy and see what happens from there, judge from that episode how effective this method of interaction is.

 

[covcity4life]

Fuck em all

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Nonsense

Well evidently, yes, as the subsequent backtracking (and lack of new ground) proves. But he did say it!

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Fuck em all

CC4L is always right.

 

[Otis]

CC4L is always right.

Don't encourage him.

 

[Pete in Portugal]

As usual they continue their pathetic agenda

I assume you mean SISU Grendel? If so, I agree 100%. ;-)

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

I once wrote a letter to Brian Richardson: I was a season ticket holder and once got to a game and found someone sitting in my seat. The stewards wouldn't move the idiot who refused to leave and instead they put me somewhere else.
I complained and I got back a long letter of apology from Mr Richardson who enclosed 2 free tickets for guests to take for the next home game.
The thing is I wouldn't ever feel like sending a letter to Fisher because despite the endless threads on this site that seem to clarify Fisher's role I really don't think such a letter would reach him. I don't think any letter be it positive or negative would be dealt with by fisher. I don't really know what his position entails. I don't even know the address to send such a letter to. If it's the training ground at Ryton I doubt he knows where it is, though he may have been there with an RBC planning officer .
We need some local people on board, making decisions and being seen to be doing so to repair that void between club and community. It can't be all done by the likes of Boddy but I can't see Tim Fisher getting excited about it. Then again I don't understand whether Fisher and Boddy work together or not. I don't understand much. They don't tell us.

I would suggest that it is not local people we need but competent people. See Leicester City for details.

 

[Nick]

I once wrote a letter to Brian Richardson: I was a season ticket holder and once got to a game and found someone sitting in my seat. The stewards wouldn't move the idiot who refused to leave and instead they put me somewhere else.
I complained and I got back a long letter of apology from Mr Richardson who enclosed 2 free tickets for guests to take for the next home game.
The thing is I wouldn't ever feel like sending a letter to Fisher because despite the endless threads on this site that seem to clarify Fisher's role I really don't think such a letter would reach him. I don't think any letter be it positive or negative would be dealt with by fisher. I don't really know what his position entails. I don't even know the address to send such a letter to. If it's the training ground at Ryton I doubt he knows where it is, though he may have been there with an RBC planning officer .
We need some local people on board, making decisions and being seen to be doing so to repair that void between club and community. It can't be all done by the likes of Boddy but I can't see Tim Fisher getting excited about it. Then again I don't understand whether Fisher and Boddy work together or not. I don't understand much. They don't tell us.

On this note the club do decent stuff like that, I doubt highly it is down to Fisher but if you write to the club it would be delegated to somebody else and it would be sorted.

From personal experience in the last couple of years it has been between Boddy / Mark Hornby who sort things like that out. (I say personal experience, when I have messaged the club about issues for others and pointed them out)

 

[NorthernWisdom]

I'll give one of them their due for bothering to answer between Christmas and New Year.

Basically says "while legal proceedings are ongoing councillors have been advised to not make any public comment"

I do actually get that position about no comment.

What it does do, is it confirms it's basically just about demonstrating that people *are* bothered about the situation, and people *do* care about the football club. If enough people were to do it, it would show they'd be stupid to let the club loose.

I might enter into a dialogue

 

[clint van damme]

If Fisher is really serious about ensuring CCFC's future at the Ricoh Arena in the long term, then his role as a Director of the companies pursuing litigation is key.
Under the "Confirmation Statement"

I care, he amongst many others have been at the heart of our demise.....why should that lying oxygen thief be taking any sort of place at the helm of our club. Fuck him off , he's surplus !

You think it will change anything if he goes?
Got no time for the man but him going won't change anything.

 

[clint van damme]

Yep, if we are to be kicked out we need the council to ensure we get to play at the Butts (Cov rugby permitting and onboard).

Can't see there are any other options. Ricoh, or last resort, the Butts.

Aren't CRFC putting a plastic pitch in in the summer and the spec isn't acceptable to the EFL?

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Aren't CRFC putting a plastic pitch in in the summer and the spec isn't acceptable to the EFL?

At the risk of digression, we were quite happy to pay for a suitable pitch for Northampton...

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Aren't CRFC putting a plastic pitch in in the summer and the spec isn't acceptable to the EFL?

Late April apparently. At some point in the near future the EFL will have to let that one go. Especially with so many Step 1 clubs opting for 4G.

 

[clint van damme]

At the risk of digression, we were quite happy to pay for a suitable pitch for Northampton...

True, but I'd imagine there's a good commercial reason behind why they've chosen the one they have.
I don't see them changing their plans to accommodate city

 

[chiefdave]

True, but I'd imagine there's a good commercial reason behind why they've chosen the one they have.
I don't see them changing their plans to accommodate city

Guess that would depend if the commercial benefit of having CCFC there outweighed what they'd lose by not changing the pitch.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

As LAST responded to me I take offence at the sly, moronic dig. Rather than ranting foolishly, I'd rather try and see a way forward. My personal agenda is to see the football club succeed (or at least exist!) without cutting off my nose to spite my face.

As LAST is being constructive, what stops you from being? Why reduce it to petty pathetic conspiracies?

Oh Dear,

I was actually referring to the two hedge funds and the council that have got us into this mess and not you .

So just to clarify, i was responding to L.A.S.T. comments, regarding last year's deal !

But it's ok , I'm not offended by your comments because after all everyone is entitled to have their say on the subject !

How is it a conspiracy when the landlords have said in public " drop the legals "

 

[skybluetony176]

You think it will change anything if he goes?
Got no time for the man but him going won't change anything.

Aside from the fact that we wouldn’t have to look at his smug face or listen to his sycophantic tones again (worth getting rid of him for them reasons alone from a fans perspective) I think OSB has already pointed out on another thread that within his roles with Otium and SBS&L he legally has to sign of anything for the club including legal documents. If OSB is right (and he normally is) then he personally and his actions unquestionably link the club directly the legal proceedings. If he’s gone that link is removed. Might also be enough to break the stand off.

 

[skybluetony176]

True, but I'd imagine there's a good commercial reason behind why they've chosen the one they have.
I don't see them changing their plans to accommodate city

John Sharpe has already said that they won’t deal with the club on a ground share while Sisu are involved.

 

[clint van damme]

Aside from the fact that we wouldn’t have to look at his smug face or listen to his sycophantic tones again (worth getting rid of him for them reasons alone from a fans perspective) I think OSB has already pointed out on another thread that within his roles with Otium and SBS&L he legally has to sign of anything for the club including legal documents. If OSB is right (and he normally is) then he personally and his actions unquestionably link the club directly the legal proceedings. If he’s gone that link is removed. Might also be enough to break the stand off.

I think they'd just bring a patsy in to do his bidding.
Don't get me wrong, I couldn't care less if he goes just don't think it would change anything.

 

[clint van damme]

John Sharpe has already said that they won’t deal with the club on a ground share while Sisu are involved.

Yeah, the Butts isn't an option for plan B. There is no plan B that keeps us in Cov

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Taking aside that the letter has been written by an angry and confused teenager, Timmy is a front man who does what he is told by those above. If he resigns (and he has been in the post for nearly 7 years), someone like him will take his place.

This letter argues for the club to be given a deal while also arguing how the club IS involved in legal action against Wasps. Fact is, nobody wants the gruesome twosome of Wasps/SISU and it is those bodies, not Fisher, who could put a stop to the uncertainty overnight.

Target those who can actually effect change rather than trying to score points with Nicky and Derek.

 

[skybluetony176]

I think they'd just bring a patsy in to do his bidding.
Don't get me wrong, I couldn't care less if he goes just don't think it would change anything.

Undoubtedly they would. I think the point is though that Fisher must have signed off on the legal action being done in the clubs name if it’s legally required of him to do so as his roll. Any new patsy wouldn’t carry that connection so the clubs argument that they have no control over the legals would stand up more.

 

[duffer]

Who are the trust claiming to speak for these days? Despite signing up way back when, I can't remember the last time I was contacted by them.

As long as they clearly state who they're actually putting out statements on behalf of (i.e. "Four members of the trust board met last night and decided to put out this statement"), then I'm OK with it.

Otherwise they're no better than all of the other parties in my opinion.

As far as I'm concerned they've gone way beyond their remit and they've completely lost the plot in terms of only focusing on one side of the issue. The people putting out this stuff can call themselves whatever they want, but they can't claim to speak for their fans or even their membership if they manage themselves like this. I don't know the history behind the multiple twitter accounts etc. but if the trust are stooping to the level of honesty that SISU and the Council have fallen to then they've lost already!

Bluntly then, I don't want my quid back, but I certainly don't want them claiming to speak for me.

 

[Nick]

Undoubtedly they would. I think the point is though that Fisher must have signed off on the legal action being done in the clubs name if it’s legally required of him to do so as his roll. Any new patsy wouldn’t carry that connection so the clubs argument that they have no control over the legals would stand up more.

If that was the case, who chooses directors and has significant control so can make those decisions easily to bring legal action and even wind it up?

Think that's the point he is making. While SISU have control and make those decisions the "club" will never really have much of a say will they?

As NW said, they could just bring in an Orange Ken or an Onwe Igwe. It isn't as if his replacement is put to a public poll for the fans to pick, even then the only say they have over the legal stuff is to resign and make a moral stand. It still won't stop it.

 

[Nick]

You may well be right about a signed contract , because SISU, would not sign it , and if they did, going by SISU past record they probably wouldn't honour it, leaving themselves open to a beach of contract and litigation .

So if you were the landlords, and going by SISU past record , i think they would have made it very clear during last year's agreement " drop the legals " and we will talk .

A variable agreement is binging in law , harder to prove I know, but all of the those meetings would have been minuted and both parties would have copies .

So may I suggest it's more than just soundbites .

If it wasn't signed then how are we playing there?

You would think if it was part of last season's contract they would have just said that from the start as it gives them more "behind them" if they refuse to wouldn't it? "As per the signed contract from both parties last season, it stated no further agreement would be done if there is any legal action involving Wasps in anyway". It would then mean that Boddy can't say "but they did a deal last year".

When it's a whisper released to somebody around the trust, it's not quite the same.

If it was part of the contract for this season, Wasps would be mad to not have just stated that outright at the start to cover themselves, wouldn't they? Instead they just give a whisper for somebody else to push...

 

[fernandopartridge]

You may well be right about a signed contract , because SISU, would not sign it , and if they did, going by SISU past record they probably wouldn't honour it, leaving themselves open to a beach of contract and litigation .

So if you were the landlords, and going by SISU past record , i think they would have made it very clear during last year's agreement " drop the legals " and we will talk .

A variable agreement is binging in law , harder to prove I know, but all of the those meetings would have been minuted and both parties would have copies .

So may I suggest it's more than just soundbites .

Stop putting stuff in bold, it doesn't make your ramblings any more profound