The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (16 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

She didn’t start this farce off. That was the billionaires‘ puppet Farage... the leavers compounded it... and the Brexiteers legged it... leaving May to get a deal together... scum... but, fair play to May for trying.. fxxk Lord Snooty and his coup..

Yeah it has shown the Hard Brexiteers to be a joke, never putting any solutions forward and seemingly still failing to understand negotiations.

 

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[skybluetony176]

She didn’t start this farce off. That was the billionaires‘ puppet Farage... the leavers compounded it... and the Brexiteers legged it... leaving May to get a deal together... scum... but, fair play to May for trying.. fxxk Lord Snooty and his coup..

Patients is a virtue.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Gibraltar : I think that's the last straw for me . We leave with no deal and then invade Spain. Serve them right.

 

[martcov]

Gibraltar : I think that's the last straw for me . We leave with no deal and then invade Spain. Serve them right.

Good idea. Wait, won’t we need a visa for the EU?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It ends when the money runs out.
As Margaret Thatcher said "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

A point made by smug right wingers who like giving tax breaks to those who don't need them and always want loose change for an intervention or two.

Which generation do you blame the most for this though?

The generation who put climate change on steroids and filled the oceans with plastic crap

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You know my feelings about Tories. You know my feelings about politicians. Why would I suddenly start to try and defend them?

All this diatribe was caused by Cameron trying to win votes. He said there would be a referendum if they won another term in office.

Why do you constantly try to make out that I defend the Tories? I would love you to point out just once where I have. Your problem with me is I also don't defend Corbyn and Labour. It is a sad time for politics in the UK. I don't trust any of them. Nearly all of them are full of shit.

One put forward one of the most progressive Labour manifestos in a long time. The other promised to deny teachers a pay rise and to devote above inflation spending increases for the military. Even if you think Corbyn's a prick there was no contest between the policy substance. Is he the messiah no and I would much rather someone with no skeletons in the closet for our right wing media to pick up and run with.

 

[Grendel]

One put forward one of the most progressive Labour manifestos in a long time. The other promised to deny teachers a pay rise and to devote above inflation spending increases for the military. Even if you think Corbyn's a prick there was no contest between the policy substance. Is he the messiah no and I would much rather someone with no skeletons in the closet for our right wing media to pick up and run with.

When you are older you will look back at the tripe you have posted and here and laugh at yourself

 

[dutchman]

Gibraltar : I think that's the last straw for me . We leave with no deal and then invade Spain. Serve them right.

It was said at one time that Spain would never be allowed to join unless they first acknowledged Britain's sovereignty over Gibraltar but like all such assurances it was soon overridden by political expediency.

 

[Astute]

As I've said before, the Tories must love people like you scapegoating tax pay people coming here to work.

It's shocking.

And here you go again. You make comments that have nothing to do with what I have said.

So let's have a look then. You say that the rise of populists has nothing to do with the EU. I mention one of the reasons is a lot of people don't like the idea of anyone with an EU passport being able to live where they want. This is true. But you turn it into me scapegoating immigrants.

What is wrong with you? Is it that you don't like the truth or is it you couldn't see it even if it smashed you in the face?

Let's try again. It looked like we were going to vote remain. Cameron said just before the referendum that he had a meeting with Juncker to discuss freedom of movement to the UK. Juncker said publicly that there was no meeting planned and there was no plans for one in the future. There was a late swing for leave. I suppose this made no difference to the way anybody voted. This isn't looking for a scapegoat. This is reality.

 

[Astute]

Patients is a virtue.

Who is ill?

 

[Astute]

Yeah it has shown the Hard Brexiteers to be a joke, never putting any solutions forward and seemingly still failing to understand negotiations.

Or you could say about hard remainers like yourself that you ignore the thoughts of people who want to leave and make accusations against them that are not true. I am not a hard leaver as you call it. But you don't even like me mentioning the truth and make stupid accusations against myself.

You are like those who run the EU. You will never understand the problems because you refuse to consider the problems. You make out that they don't exist. You always look for someone else to blame.

 

[Astute]

A point made by smug right wingers who like giving tax breaks to those who don't need them and always want loose change for an intervention or two.



The generation who put climate change on steroids and filled the oceans with plastic crap

And that generation is?

You are part if the throw away generation. Am I supposed to have a go at you for this?

The biggest threat to the future is overpopulation. Who do you blame for this?

 

[Astute]

One put forward one of the most progressive Labour manifestos in a long time. The other promised to deny teachers a pay rise and to devote above inflation spending increases for the military. Even if you think Corbyn's a prick there was no contest between the policy substance. Is he the messiah no and I would much rather someone with no skeletons in the closet for our right wing media to pick up and run with.

So you fully agree with me but make out that you disagree with me.

I would also prefer to have someone who doesn't change his mind every few months because that is what he thinks the voting public wants to hear. Just like with our relationship with the EU. He wants in. He wants out. He isn't sure if he wants in or out. Can anyone tell me what he really wants on the subject?

I suppose most would agree that he wants out. He always wanted out until he became Labour leader. He was always very vocal on the matter.

So what would we get with him on the subject if he became PM? I want to vote for someone who I think will give me what I want. I want to vote for someone who will help my children and grandchildren. He just tells you what he thinks you want to hear.

I see you are like me and are a Labour voter. You said about the younger generations not having the same pensions and blamed it on my generation for some unknown reason. But when I pointed out that Gordon Brown was to blame for the demise of the final salary pensions you never mentioned it again.

You can't just blame certain generations. You need to look at the leadership and knowledge at the time. We have to play within the rules.

 

[Astute]

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As I've said before, the Tories must love people like you scapegoating tax pay people coming here to work.

It's shocking.

Just come across this as was reading the BBC news.

Homeless population 'rises to 320,000'

Scaremongering? Scapegoating?

This is real life. Blame who you want for the homeless crisis. But not everyone will blame the same people as yourself. At least 320,000 homeless people in the UK? And they are just the official ones. Just those in temporary accommodation which is normally a hotel room shared between a family or those who are registered as being on the street. This doesn't include those where people are in squats. Or those who are 20 or even more people in a small house with mattresses in every available place.

Then you moan that your rent is too high. It is all about supply and demand. That is why house prices are too high. That is why people struggle to buy a place of their own these days. But as long as you can blame someone or something else all is OK. And if anyone mentions anything you come out with your old line of scapegoating immigrants. You ignore the problems caused by open borders for anyone with an EU passport.

Yes I understand that your parents were immigrants. I understand that your partner isn't from the UK. But this doesn't mean that you should deny the truth. It makes a difference. It makes people go against EU principles and then the EU.

This is why I say we need to catch up with the infrastructure. We need breathing space. It isn't that I am anti immigration. But we can't continue as we are now. Something has to change. And I don't trust any UK government to solve the problem. They see it as more important to build a train line through the country than solve the housing crisis.

 

[clint van damme]

When you are older you will look back at the tripe you have posted and here and laugh at yourself

we've got record numbers of homeless, massive spike in crime, record levels of wealth inequality, the UN has just released a damning UN report on the poverty in the country, the country's fucked and it has nothing to do with anyone other than this tory government, the sooner we get shot the better, though they'll have made a complete dogs dinner of Brexit first as I predicted.

 

[Sick Boy]

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Just come across this as was reading the BBC news.

Homeless population 'rises to 320,000'

Scaremongering? Scapegoating?

This is real life. Blame who you want for the homeless crisis. But not everyone will blame the same people as yourself. At least 320,000 homeless people in the UK? And they are just the official ones. Just those in temporary accommodation which is normally a hotel room shared between a family or those who are registered as being on the street. This doesn't include those where people are in squats. Or those who are 20 or even more people in a small house with mattresses in every available place.

Then you moan that your rent is too high. It is all about supply and demand. That is why house prices are too high. That is why people struggle to buy a place of their own these days. But as long as you can blame someone or something else all is OK. And if anyone mentions anything you come out with your old line of scapegoating immigrants. You ignore the problems caused by open borders for anyone with an EU passport.

Yes I understand that your parents were immigrants. I understand that your partner isn't from the UK. But this doesn't mean that you should deny the truth. It makes a difference. It makes people go against EU principles and then the EU.

This is why I say we need to catch up with the infrastructure. We need breathing space. It isn't that I am anti immigration. But we can't continue as we are now. Something has to change. And I don't trust any UK government to solve the problem. They see it as more important to build a train line through the country than solve the housing crisis.

My rent is high as I live in a desirable city of the south coast where there are 2 universities so a lot of rental accommodation is swallowed up by them, people from London selling up there and buying homes down here and pushing up cost of buying houses, it's also a very dense area with not a lot of room left to build.

Your scapegoating of tax paying immigrants is shocking but it's been a tactic used for decades, I guess.

 

[Sick Boy]

And here you go again. You make comments that have nothing to do with what I have said.

So let's have a look then. You say that the rise of populists has nothing to do with the EU. I mention one of the reasons is a lot of people don't like the idea of anyone with an EU passport being able to live where they want. This is true. But you turn it into me scapegoating immigrants.

What is wrong with you? Is it that you don't like the truth or is it you couldn't see it even if it smashed you in the face?

Let's try again. It looked like we were going to vote remain. Cameron said just before the referendum that he had a meeting with Juncker to discuss freedom of movement to the UK. Juncker said publicly that there was no meeting planned and there was no plans for one in the future. There was a late swing for leave. I suppose this made no difference to the way anybody voted. This isn't looking for a scapegoat. This is reality.

So now you've moved the goalposts from it being the EU to UK? What's your excuse for Trump? Do you blame than on that the EU, as well?

A meeting on freedom of movement? Why would the EU allow Britain to curb it while being an EU member? Have you not been following over the last couple of years? Did you genuinely believe that the UK could end freedom of movement while being an EU member?

 

[Astute]

we've got record numbers of homeless, massive spike in crime, record levels of wealth inequality, the UN has just released a damning UN report on the poverty in the country, the country's fucked and it has nothing to do with anyone other than this tory government, the sooner we get shot the better, though they'll have made a complete dogs dinner of Brexit first as I predicted.

So Labour under Bliar never had a thing to do with it?

Oh yes record number of homeless. Why is it that it is mentioned when it goes with the point you want to make?

Both Labour and the Tories have shaped where we are now. Then add EU rules and regulations and you come to our present situation. But I am supposed to ignore the part that Labour and EU rules and regulations have played in the situation.

Labour's social housing record

Anthony Giddens: The rise and fall of New Labour

 

[Astute]

My rent is high as I live in a desirable city of the south coast where there are 2 universities so a lot of rental accommodation is swallowed up by them, people from London selling up there and buying homes down here and pushing up cost of buying houses, it's also a very dense area with not a lot of room left to build.

Your scapegoating of tax paying immigrants is shocking but it's been a tactic used for decades, I guess.

Yet again I ask you to explain how I am scapegoating anyone. I have stated facts. What I have stated is not my views. That is what you do.

So are you saying that rent and house prices are not high because of supply and demand?

 

[Sick Boy]

Yet again I ask you to explain how I am scapegoating anyone. I have stated facts. What I have stated is not my views. That is what you do.

So are you saying that rent and house prices are not high because of supply and demand?

You've consistently tried to blame migrants for the housing crisis but as I said, it's been a tactic used for decades.

You've tried to blame EU immigrants for high levels of housing in Brighton and Hove, which is quite frankly hilarious when it is caused by having 2 universities in a small city and rich middle class families moving out of London having sold their houses in the capital for a lot of money.

 

[Astute]

So now you've moved the goalposts from it being the EU to UK? What's your excuse for Trump? Do you blame than on that the EU, as well?

A meeting on freedom of movement? Why would the EU allow Britain to curb it while being an EU member? Have you not been following over the last couple of years? Did you genuinely believe that the UK could end freedom of movement while being an EU member?

Moved goalposts?

So what are these?

Trump is an arrogant w@nker. But what has he got to do with the EU? Just you making up crap to try and take the conversation off what you can't defend as usual.

And who said anything would be allowed? But you are trying to make out that EU policies have nothing to do with the rise of the populist vote growing or right wing votes growing in the EU. But everyone knows the truth.

 

[Sick Boy]

Moved goalposts?

So what are these?

Trump is an arrogant w@nker. But what has he got to do with the EU? Just you making up crap to try and take the conversation off what you can't defend as usual.

And who said anything would be allowed? But you are trying to make out that EU policies have nothing to do with the rise of the populist vote growing or right wing votes growing in the EU. But everyone knows the truth.

You were going on about populism in the EU then focused on the UK to blame FoM as the reason, yet now seem to have switched back to the EU as a whole.

The point I made this time and before is that it is not consigned to the EU and is going on elsewhere. It doesn't fit into your constant EU bashing so you have to ignore it and pretend it and claim the discussion is going off course.

And what is 'the truth'/your opinion?

 

[Grendel]

we've got record numbers of homeless, massive spike in crime, record levels of wealth inequality, the UN has just released a damning UN report on the poverty in the country, the country's fucked and it has nothing to do with anyone other than this tory government, the sooner we get shot the better, though they'll have made a complete dogs dinner of Brexit first as I predicted.

Income inequality has hardly changed from the 80’s. This country offers far better opportunities than countries like Ukraine which is one of the most equal in the world

Homelessness increase has co-incided with increased migration from “emerging” EU countries.

 

[Astute]

You've consistently tried to blame migrants for the housing crisis but as I said, it's been a tactic used for decades.

You've tried to blame EU immigrants for high levels of housing in Brighton and Hove, which is quite frankly hilarious when it is caused by having 2 universities in a small city and rich middle class families moving out of London having sold their houses in the capital for a lot of money.

Point out where I have said the word Brighton. That is how stupid your point is. There is a severe housing shortage in most of the UK. Supply and demand?

And yet again I have blamed nobody. I have stated facts. Both Labour and the Tories haven't built enough homes. Yet you try and state that immigration makes no difference to the homeless situation. I state you are wrong. Anything that puts the population up makes the situation worse. Just like we have mire births than deaths. Oh dear. I am blaming people for having a family now I take it.

 

[clint van damme]

So Labour under Bliar never had a thing to do with it?

Oh yes record number of homeless. Why is it that it is mentioned when it goes with the point you want to make?

Both Labour and the Tories have shaped where we are now. Then add EU rules and regulations and you come to our present situation. But I am supposed to ignore the part that Labour and EU rules and regulations have played in the situation.

Labour's social housing record

Anthony Giddens: The rise and fall of New Labour

I'm not going to defend Blair but are you seriously trying to make out homelessness hasn't increased massively in the last few years?
Strange that as net immigration is decreasing but homelessness is still going up.

 

[Astute]

You were going on about populism in the EU then focused on the UK to blame FoM as the reason, yet now seem to have switched back to the EU as a whole.

The point I made this time and before is that it is not consigned to the EU and is going on elsewhere. It doesn't fit into your constant EU bashing so you have to ignore it and pretend it and claim the discussion is going off course.

And what is 'the truth'/your opinion?

Constant EU bashing? Sorry I didn't know they were perfect.

Why do you never mention my constant Tory bashing? Oh yes just remembered. You do constant Tory bashing so you let that one go by.

I don't defend anyone. I state facts. I have a go at everyone. Because nobody comes out of this mess looking respectful. But you can't stand anyone pointing out anything that doesn't make the EU look good. There is always someone else to blame for everything.

 

[Sick Boy]

Constant EU bashing? Sorry I didn't know they were perfect.

Why do you never mention my constant Tory bashing? Oh yes just remembered. You do constant Tory bashing so you let that one go by.

I don't defend anyone. I state facts. I have a go at everyone. Because nobody comes out of this mess looking respectful. But you can't stand anyone pointing out anything that doesn't make the EU look good. There is always someone else to blame for everything.

Your constant Tory bashing - hahaha! Yeah, right! Most of the time desperately trying to deflect away from them

 

[Astute]

I'm not going to defend Blair but are you seriously trying to make out homelessness hasn't increased massively in the last few years?
Strange that as net immigration is decreasing but homelessness is still going up.

It has gone up massively for nearly 20 years. And yes it has now slowed down. But is still happening.

So do you agree that immigration has an effect on homelessness?

 

[Sick Boy]

Point out where I have said the word Brighton. That is how stupid your point is. There is a severe housing shortage in most of the UK. Supply and demand?

And yet again I have blamed nobody. I have stated facts. Both Labour and the Tories haven't built enough homes. Yet you try and state that immigration makes no difference to the homeless situation. I state you are wrong. Anything that puts the population up makes the situation worse. Just like we have mire births than deaths. Oh dear. I am blaming people for having a family now I take it.

You were going on about me complaining about the cost of my rent as an example and tried to blame EU immigration for it.

Oh yeah, and you bizarrely dragged my loves ones into it, presumably you feel I'm in a property who could have gone to someone able to claim their British bloodline back to the Magna Carta?

Now you can't blame it on EU migrants you claim you didn't mention it- fucking hell.

 

[Astute]

Your constant Tory bashing - hahaha! Yeah, right! Most of the time desperately trying to deflect away from them

What a load of bullshit. Just point out one post where I have defended them. I know for a fact you won't find one. But of course you know differently but can't show evidence.

Just like mass immigration has no effect on homelessness. And if you say it does you are scapegoating immigrants.

 

[Astute]

You were going on about me complaining about the cost of my rent as an example and tried to blame EU immigration for it.

Now you can't blame it on EU migrants you claim you didn't mention it- fucking hell.

I used you as you moan about having to pay a high rent so can't save for a mortgage. That is the usual problem for the younger generations. But of course you will deny this.

Try this from 5 years ago.

Redirect Notice

Don't mention it? You try to make out it makes no difference. What a joke.

 

[Sick Boy]

What a load of bullshit. Just point out one post where I have defended them. I know for a fact you won't find one. But of course you know differently but can't show evidence.

Just like mass immigration has no effect on homelessness. And if you say it does you are scapegoating immigrants.

You deflect away from them as much as you can and often attack both the EU and Labour; only a day or two ago you were commending her on doing a good job.

 

[Astute]

You deflect away from them as much as you can and often attack both the EU and Labour; only a day or two ago you were commending her on doing a good job.

Commending her on doing a good job? That is some twisting of the truth. Why don't you bring that post back up. I said she had a hard job as nobody is happy. Anybody who had her position would have a hard job. Especially when there are a lot like you who constantly try to change facts. And ignore everything that has an effect on the problems we now have if it can be made out to have nothing to do with what they defend constantly.

 

[Sick Boy]

Commending her on doing a good job? That is some twisting of the truth. Why don't you bring that post back up. I said she had a hard job as nobody is happy. Anybody who had her position would have a hard job. Especially when there are a lot like you who constantly try to change facts. And ignore everything that has an effect on the problems we now have if it can be made out to have nothing to do with what they defend constantly.

Yeah, it's all the fault of some people who voted remain on a football forum as to why it's so tough for her.

 

[clint van damme]

It has gone up massively for nearly 20 years. And yes it has now slowed down. But is still happening.

So do you agree that immigration has an effect on homelessness?

I don't think it's the main factor no.
if it was we would be seeing a decrease not an increase in homelessness now.