The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (17 Viewers)

[Astute]

A difficult job? A lot of it is self-inflicted by both herself and her own party and through putting people in roles for exiting the EU when they didn't seem to even understand how it worked.

Polls also showed that they were supposed to win the last election easily too.

Brought about by herself?

Have you forgotten that May was 100% remain? She didn't start this farce off.

Are you saying that she chooses everyone for every role and has time to question everyone on everything? You would expect them to know the basics. Because the majority of the man on the street knows.

 

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[Astute]

It's strange that domestic issues seem to get twisted into being a direct attack on the EU. The key driving force behind the protesters was related to increased fuel prices, anyway, it's not like our own governments have historically been on the side of the people, as demonstrated by the recent UN report - again all domestically inflicted.

Macron is having to do what he is doing because the unions in France are too strong. It is too expensive to hire new recruits. So the French unemployment rate stays high.

But the Tories did the same in the UK. We're the Tories wrong to do what they did? If so then Macron also is.

 

[Sick Boy]

Brought about by herself?

Have you forgotten that May was 100% remain? She didn't start this farce off.

Are you saying that she chooses everyone for every role and has time to question everyone on everything? You would expect them to know the basics. Because the majority of the man on the street knows.

It was a referendum called by her party and her ridiculous 'red flags' put her into a very difficult position. If you think she isn't choosing her own cabinet and no one is assessing whether or not they are competent, who is?

What do you think of Davis' comments over the last couples of day in which he claims the UK could walk away without an agreement and then still be in a transition period? It is beyond belief that someone like him was put into the position he was, then we have other Brexiteers touting him as a potential interim PM, it is beyond absurd. If it was Abbot or someone else from the Labour party they would have been torn apart and mocked on here by yourself and others, yet for some reason it just seems to get ignored.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Completely unravelling

This from Hmrc spokesperson

An official from HM Revenue and Customs has told MPs it will take two years to have a fully operational customs system at the UK border if the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

Senior official Jim Harra told the Treasury Select Committee they were ready to have a functioning border from 29 March, but it would be a "clearly sub-optimal customs border".

He added: "There would likely be some fiscal risk attached to that depending on what tariff decisions are.

"I think we are looking at a minimum of two years from the no deal to get to a point where you can say we have a steady-state system where we are comfortable that we can manage all the fiscal risks in a way we would like and trade can flow in the way we would like".

The chief executive of HMRC, Jon Thompson, also told MPs: "The date for putting in an optimal customs system for the UK in the event of no deal was passed months ago."

But of course they are only experts in their field and are making stuff up and lying!! Ffs

 

[Grendel]

Completely unravelling

This from Hmrc spokesperson

An official from HM Revenue and Customs has told MPs it will take two years to have a fully operational customs system at the UK border if the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

Senior official Jim Harra told the Treasury Select Committee they were ready to have a functioning border from 29 March, but it would be a "clearly sub-optimal customs border".

He added: "There would likely be some fiscal risk attached to that depending on what tariff decisions are.

"I think we are looking at a minimum of two years from the no deal to get to a point where you can say we have a steady-state system where we are comfortable that we can manage all the fiscal risks in a way we would like and trade can flow in the way we would like".

The chief executive of HMRC, Jon Thompson, also told MPs: "The date for putting in an optimal customs system for the UK in the event of no deal was passed months ago."

But of course they are only experts in their field and are making stuff up and lying!! Ffs

We’d better sign the deal then

 

[Sick Boy]

We’d better sign the deal then

That is not going to happen.

 

[Astute]

It was a referendum called by her party and her ridiculous 'red flags' put her into a very difficult position. If you think she isn't choosing her own cabinet and no one is assessing whether or not they are competent, who is?

What do you think of Davis' comments over the last couples of day in which he claims the UK could walk away without an agreement and then still be in a transition period? It is beyond belief that someone like him was put into the position he was, then we have other Brexiteers touting him as a potential interim PM, it is beyond absurd. If it was Abbot or someone else from the Labour party they would have been torn apart and mocked on here by yourself and others, yet for some reason it just seems to get ignored.

You know my feelings about Tories. You know my feelings about politicians. Why would I suddenly start to try and defend them?

All this diatribe was caused by Cameron trying to win votes. He said there would be a referendum if they won another term in office.

Why do you constantly try to make out that I defend the Tories? I would love you to point out just once where I have. Your problem with me is I also don't defend Corbyn and Labour. It is a sad time for politics in the UK. I don't trust any of them. Nearly all of them are full of shit.

 

[Astute]

That is not going to happen.

Why is that?

 

[Sick Boy]

You know my feelings about Tories. You know my feelings about politicians. Why would I suddenly start to try and defend them?

All this diatribe was caused by Cameron trying to win votes. He said there would be a referendum if they won another term in office.

Why do you constantly try to make out that I defend the Tories? I would love you to point out just once where I have. Your problem with me is I also don't defend Corbyn and Labour. It is a sad time for politics in the UK. I don't trust any of them. Nearly all of them are full of shit.

I have stated multiple times that would not vote for Corbyn, I have no interest in you defending him.

 

[Sick Boy]

Why is that?

There is very little chance of it getting through parliament.

 

[skybluetony176]

An official from HM Revenue and Customs has told MPs it will take two years to have a fully operational customs system at the UK border if the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

Was talking to someone just today who come January if no details are confirmed on trade they’re going to order a years worth of stock from a supplier based in Belgium. This isn’t a big multinational, this is a family owned wholesaler based in Bristol. I didn’t ask them the cost but I know if they have to make this investment it means investment in other areas of their business won’t be happening.

 

[Grendel]

That is not going to happen.

Then we leave with no deal

 

[skybluetony176]

Then we leave with no deal

How is that going to solve the problem?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

How is that going to solve the problem?

Depends what the problem is. I think the Eu needs modernising but to leave was just insane. It solves the problem of honouring the refurrendum cause the people have voted. What horseshit that phrase has become

 

[dutchman]

Revealed: one in four Europeans vote populist

Populist parties have more than tripled their support in Europe in the last 20 years, securing enough votes to put their leaders into government posts in 11 countries and challenging the established political order across the continent.

The steady growth in support for European populist parties, particularly on the right, is revealed in a groundbreaking analysis of their performance in national elections in 31 European countries over two decades, conducted by the Guardian in conjunction with more than 30 leading political scientists.

The data shows that populism has been consistently on the rise since at least 1998. Two decades ago, populist parties were largely a marginal force, accounting for just 7% of votes across the continent; in the most recent national elections, one in four votes cast was for a populist party.

“The breeding ground for populism has become increasingly fertile, and populist parties are ever more capable of reaping the rewards.”

 

[Astute]

I have stated multiple times that would not vote for Corbyn, I have no interest in you defending him.

That isn't what I said. And you know it. You constantly imply that I defend the Tories. Just like you have done here. Just like you constantly imply that I am a closet leaver. You don't like anyone mentioning anything bad about the EU. But you constantly attack anything to do with Brexit. To you anyone who mentions anything that you don't like is there to be attacked. You are not after a debate. You want everyone to hear your views and try to make sure no other views are listened to.

I agree with a lot of what you say. But to have a proper debate you need to take your 'we must stay in the EU whatever the cost and I'm not listening to anything else' hat off.

 

[Astute]

There is very little chance of it getting through parliament.

Why is that?

 

[Astute]

Depends what the problem is. I think the Eu needs modernising but to leave was just insane. It solves the problem of honouring the refurrendum cause the people have voted. What horseshit that phrase has become

EU modernise?

Yes it needs to change. But those at the top want more power not less. They are now telling countries what they must do. And it isn't just a couple.

 

[Astute]

Revealed: one in four Europeans vote populist

Populist parties have more than tripled their support in Europe in the last 20 years, securing enough votes to put their leaders into government posts in 11 countries and challenging the established political order across the continent.

The steady growth in support for European populist parties, particularly on the right, is revealed in a groundbreaking analysis of their performance in national elections in 31 European countries over two decades, conducted by the Guardian in conjunction with more than 30 leading political scientists.

The data shows that populism has been consistently on the rise since at least 1998. Two decades ago, populist parties were largely a marginal force, accounting for just 7% of votes across the continent; in the most recent national elections, one in four votes cast was for a populist party.

“The breeding ground for populism has become increasingly fertile, and populist parties are ever more capable of reaping the rewards.”

And this has been my fear. But Mart will tell you that it isn't a problem.

 

[Sick Boy]

That isn't what I said. And you know it. You constantly imply that I defend the Tories. Just like you have done here. Just like you constantly imply that I am a closet leaver. You don't like anyone mentioning anything bad about the EU. But you constantly attack anything to do with Brexit. To you anyone who mentions anything that you don't like is there to be attacked. You are not after a debate. You want everyone to hear your views and try to make sure no other views are listened to.

I agree with a lot of what you say. But to have a proper debate you need to take your 'we must stay in the EU whatever the cost and I'm not listening to anything else' hat off.

I believe it will damage the country in the long-term it's my sincere belief. There are also poster on here who are the opposite of that and believe Brexit should be carried out at any cost, yet you don't call them out.

 

[Sick Boy]

Why is that?

Because most MPs disagree with it on both sides and parliament is sovereign.

 

[Sick Boy]

And this has been my fear. But Mart will tell you that it isn't a problem.

The vote for Trump was a result of populism, yet some twist it to be the fault of EU.

 

[Astute]

I believe it will damage the country in the long-term it's my sincere belief. There are also poster on here who are the opposite of that and believe Brexit should be carried out at any cost, yet you don't call them out.

At any cost?

I don't believe it will be as bad as the doom mongers say. I believe that there will be a deal and have said so from the start. And I constantly got told how wrong I was as they don't need us like we need them.

I believe it should happen. It was voted for however much we don't like the result. We are supposed to believe in democracy. It isn't supposed to be voting until they get the result they want. They shouldn't have given us the vote if they were not going to respect the result.

 

[Astute]

Because most MPs disagree with it on both sides and parliament is sovereign.

So if there is a choice between a deal or no deal but still leave?

 

[Astute]

The vote for Trump was a result of populism, yet some twist it to be the fault of EU.

Are you saying that EU rules and regulations or the way the EU is run has made no difference to the populist vote growing at a fast rate in Europe has nothing to do with the EU?

 

[Sick Boy]

Are you saying that EU rules and regulations or the way the EU is run has made no difference to the populist vote growing at a fast rate in Europe has nothing to do with the EU?

Most of it, including the UK is due to domestic policies imposed by governments. It's been used as a scapegoat by governments, including our own. The UN report was incredibly depressing but of course blaming the EU takes the focus off the real culprits

 

[Astute]

Most of it, including the UK is due to domestic policies imposed by governments. It's been used as a scapegoat by governments, including our own. The UN report was incredibly depressing but of course blaming the EU takes the focus off the real culprits

Domestic policies for most of it? I would say that the open door policy for those with an EU passport has a lot to do with it.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Then we leave with no deal

Hope so but I suspect that the duplicitous Mrs May will steer us back to remaining.

 

[Sick Boy]

Domestic policies for most of it? I would say that the open door policy for those with an EU passport has a lot to do with it.

As I've said before, the Tories must love people like you scapegoating tax pay people coming here to work.

It's shocking.

 

[Sick Boy]

Hope so but I suspect that the duplicitous Mrs May will steer us back to remaining.

She would probably be gone by then. Don't worry, Davis would be on hand to oversee the transition period after no deal, or so he thinks.

 

[Grendel]

As I've said before, the Tories must love people like you scapegoating tax pay people coming here to work.

It's shocking.

Labour under Corbyn and the more socialist parties want to have far more stringent policies on migration so why do you mention the one that’s increased immigration over the years?

 

[Sick Boy]

Labour under Corbyn and the more socialist parties want to have far more stringent policies on migration so why do you mention the one that’s increased immigration over the years?

Was the UN report due to Corbyn? Stop trying to distract away from the actual point, which was the UN report which is all to do with the current government's policies.

 

[martcov]

Last time I looked there were no blue stars on the British flag, must have all been foreigners (or traitors).

The traitors are selling us to the USA billionaires..... 51st State... but with no votes.. Pueeto Rico II.

 

[martcov]

Ask people on the street and they are supposed to say that we should stay in the EU. Let people vote for their choice and they vote leave. I wonder where those they ask on the street come from.

The ratings on May have recently gone up to close to 50%. Those who want her gone is 33%. I think people have finally realised what a difficult job she has taken on.

Yes, let the people vote on the deal, or no deal or if they prefer to stay in the EU. With you on that Astute. I agree that people are beginning to respect May ... and laughing at Lord Snooty, thick as mince and the buffoon... Takes a remainer to get Brexit at least into a form which can be voted on. The Brexiters are not capable of that.

 

[martcov]

Brought about by herself?

Have you forgotten that May was 100% remain? She didn't start this farce off.

Are you saying that she chooses everyone for every role and has time to question everyone on everything? You would expect them to know the basics. Because the majority of the man on the street knows.

She didn’t start this farce off. That was the billionaires‘ puppet Farage... the leavers compounded it... and the Brexiteers legged it... leaving May to get a deal together... scum... but, fair play to May for trying.. fxxk Lord Snooty and his coup..