The Coventry Telegraph (2 Viewers)

[oucho]

You know it'll all be over when Andy Turner is given his P45 and they start gettin students to rehash Press Association match reports and write up summaries of what's being said on Sky Blue twitter as 'news stories'

 

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[OffenhamSkyBlue]

My nephew used to be an honest hard-working journalist who went out and investigated stories for a paper called the Bucks Free Press. He left there, seeing the writing on the wall for "local" newspapers, and went to work for a news agency based in Reading. He still went out to gather news, and write it up into articles which were then syndicated to the nationals, where his EXACT words were credited to A N Other or "a Daily Mail correspondent". Absolutely shameful! If you plagiarized like that in scientific journals (my background), you'd never get another job in the profession!

 

[Otis]

The Telegraph all week have been covering the Godiva Festival.

There's a complete all you need to know article today. An essential guide. They have missed something vital out though.

This year there are no dogs allowed. Been allowed every year since it first opened, but there is a change in policy and on the official Godiva site it says if you turn up and have a dog you will be turned away this time.

Would say that is quite important information. I have taken our dog the last two years.

Failure by the CT there to not mention it.

Going to be some very disappointed people I think, because they WILL turn up with their dog in tow..

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

There was a CT "All you need to know" about the Grand Slam 2018 gig at the Butts last week - absolutely fuck-all information other than what they had got from elsewhere on social media about start times!!

 

[Nick]

"Here's why"
"This is why"
"Here's how"
"Why this"

Just start things like that and job done.

I notice there was an article about a reaction to a mum pissing in the shower the other day, awful attempt at being the lad bible.

 

[fatso]

"Here's why"
"This is why"
"Here's how"
"Why this"

Just start things like that and job done.

I notice there was an article about a reaction to a mum pissing in the shower the other day, awful attempt at being the lad bible.

Tbf it was a rain shower on the Binley road.

 

[Captain Dart]

"Here's why"
"This is why"
"Here's how"
"Why this"

Just start things like that and job done.

I notice there was an article about a reaction to a mum pissing in the shower the other day, awful attempt at being the lad bible.

 

[dutchman]

"Here's why"
"This is why"
"Here's how"
"Why this"

Just start things like that and job done.

They must have read your post Nick and are now taking the piss?

Coventry News: The latest Coventry news updates from CoventryLive

 

[Nick]

They must have read your post Nick and are now taking the piss?

Coventry News: The latest Coventry news updates from CoventryLive

Ha no, that's just how they are.

 

[ajsccfc]

Coventry News:
This is the reason Septemer is called September

September is the ninth month of the year in the modern day Gregorian calendar.

But why does it have the prefix "sept"?

Have you ever wondered?

The month kept its original name from the Roman calendar.

In that calendar, septem means “seven” in Latin marking it as the seventh month.

September was named during a time when the calendar year began with March.

This is why its name no longer corresponds with its placement in the Julian and Gregorian calendars.

COVENTRY NEWS, GET YOUR HOT LOCAL NEWS HERE

 

[GaryJones]

Thing is back in the day you had to wait to get the newspaper from the newsagent or wait for it to be delivered.
Lunch Edition, City Final or Night Final and you would read it through with every story actually being news.
Trouble now is that you have news on tap via the tinternet and these on-line papers need to keep "feeding the beast".

 

[Winny the Bish]

I work for a digital media company that has a rather large following on social media. Each month, we have meetings to come up with new ways to promote our content on the social pages and website to get more clicks. We will tweak the way we word headlines or taglines on the story.

Without fail, the Telegraph - sorry, Coventry Live - will copy it every single month. I only started noticing it last year, when they began the "Here's why XXX..." and "City fans all had the same hilarious/angry/bemused reaction to [insert thing that happened]" articles. So I just wanted to say sorry to everyone, for being a small part of inspiring the mess that is the current Cov Tel website and social pages.

 

[GaryJones]

I work for a digital media company that has a rather large following on social media. Each month, we have meetings to come up with new ways to promote our content on the social pages and website to get more clicks. We will tweak the way we word headlines or taglines on the story.

Without fail, the Telegraph - sorry, Coventry Live - will copy it every single month. I only started noticing it last year, when they began the "Here's why XXX..." and "City fans all had the same hilarious/angry/bemused reaction to [insert thing that happened]" articles. So I just wanted to say sorry to everyone, for being a small part of inspiring the mess that is the current Cov Tel website and social pages.

Stone him!
Out with the pitchforks...

 

[oucho]

I work for a digital media company that has a rather large following on social media. Each month, we have meetings to come up with new ways to promote our content on the social pages and website to get more clicks. We will tweak the way we word headlines or taglines on the story.

Without fail, the Telegraph - sorry, Coventry Live - will copy it every single month. I only started noticing it last year, when they began the "Here's why XXX..." and "City fans all had the same hilarious/angry/bemused reaction to [insert thing that happened]" articles. So I just wanted to say sorry to everyone, for being a small part of inspiring the mess that is the current Cov Tel website and social pages.

This may sound naive but could your organisation focus less on 'getting clicks' and more on genuine quality content that happens to bring in readers? Web-based marketing seems to think that clicks are the be all and end all, the basis of success etc.

 

[Nick]

This may sound naive but could your organisation focus less on 'getting clicks' and more on genuine quality content that happens to bring in readers? Web-based marketing seems to think that clicks are the be all and end all, the basis of success etc.

It depends on the type of site it is I guess.

 

[oucho]

It depends on the type of site it is I guess.

Out of interest, does thie site get any 'bonus' revenue based on the number of clicks it gets? Obviously it is not the same as described above as you are not producing/churning content for clicks as the basis of your existence, unlile the other publications mentioned.

 

[Nick]

Out of interest, does thie site get any 'bonus' revenue based on the number of clicks it gets? Obviously it is not the same as described above as you are not producing/churning content for clicks as the basis of your existence, unlile the other publications mentioned.

What clicks onto the site? No nothing. I don't agree with clickbait so do try and remove any thread titles that look that way.

 

[oucho]

What clicks onto the site? No nothing. I don't agree with clickbait so do try and remove any thread titles that look that way.

"THIS is what Sky Blues Talk's Nick has to say about clickbait...."

 

[Nick]

"THIS is what Sky Blues Talk's Nick has to say about clickbait...."

My posts put people off enough, I'd rather they weren't mislead into reading some of them!

 

[oucho]

There was a CT "All you need to know" about the Grand Slam 2018 gig at the Butts last week - absolutely fuck-all information other than what they had got from elsewhere on social media about start times!!

I went to the same GrandSlam gig buton Newark not Cov. Simple Minds absolutely rocked it, it's such a shame they do not get the recognition and respect that their work and shows demand. Pretenders (real name Chrissy Hynde and some session players) did a good job too.

 

[Winny the Bish]

This may sound naive but could your organisation focus less on 'getting clicks' and more on genuine quality content that happens to bring in readers? Web-based marketing seems to think that clicks are the be all and end all, the basis of success etc.

We do both. Every day we put out incredibly written 2,000-word features from well-known writers, but they don't perform anywhere near as well.

People all clamour for better journalism, more quality sport-writing, but when 100,000 people click on a story written by one of our staff writers with the title "Why Liverpool fans are furious with X player after game vs Y Team" and only 8,000 people click on a "Lucas Moura: In-depth Interview and look at the Brazil star's career" that we paid a freelancer £250 to write - you tell me which one the people really want and what the better business decision is.

 

[oucho]

We do both. Every day we put out incredibly written 2,000-word features from well-known writers, but they don't perform anywhere near as well.

People all clamour for better journalism, more quality sport-writing, but when 100,000 people click on a story written by one of our staff writers with the title "Why Liverpool fans are furious with X player after game vs Y Team" and only 8,000 people click on a "Lucas Moura: In-depth Interview and look at the Brazil star's career" that we paid a freelancer £250 to write - you tell me which one the people really want and what the better business decision is.

Fair enough and this was behind my own suspicion that my question was naive. It's a real shame, as persobally I avoid clicking on headlines like the Liverpool example above like the plague, to try to discourage the writers from that approach. It's a shame it is so click driven....interesting that Nick runs this site free of any click-driven revenue, but then I guess nobody on here is getting paid (I assume).

 

[hill83]

"Why Liverpool fans are furious with X player after game vs Y Team"

Tell us then

 

[Mcbean]

Tell us then

No you have to click !

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

We do both. Every day we put out incredibly written 2,000-word features from well-known writers, but they don't perform anywhere near as well.

People all clamour for better journalism, more quality sport-writing, but when 100,000 people click on a story written by one of our staff writers with the title "Why Liverpool fans are furious with X player after game vs Y Team" and only 8,000 people click on a "Lucas Moura: In-depth Interview and look at the Brazil star's career" that we paid a freelancer £250 to write - you tell me which one the people really want and what the better business decision is.

Do the companies you sell banners/skyscrapers etc to not ask any questions about engagement or do they just purely base their decision on your click rate?

If 100k people click through and only spend 2 seconds on your page before bouncing, there's less chance of them seeing your customer's ad.

As you've mentioned, if people want better quality articles they need to stop click on all the dogshit '5 things you need to know about X' articles.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

I went to the same GrandSlam gig buton Newark not Cov. Simple Minds absolutely rocked it, it's such a shame they do not get the recognition and respect that their work and shows demand. Pretenders (real name Chrissy Hynde and some session players) did a good job too.

Thought Chrissie Hynde was a-f*cking-mazing! Ultimate rock-chick at 66 years of age, and not a note wrong or re-keyed from the originals! One off the bucket list for me! (Oh and the original line-up drummer Martin Chambers was playing too).
Thought KT Tunstall was pretty impressive too.
#PUSB (just to keep it relevant!)

 

[Winny the Bish]

Do the companies you sell banners/skyscrapers etc to not ask any questions about engagement or do they just purely base their decision on your click rate?

If 100k people click through and only spend 2 seconds on your page before bouncing, there's less chance of them seeing your customer's ad.

As you've mentioned, if people want better quality articles they need to stop click on all the dogshit '5 things you need to know about X' articles.

I've highlighted a very pertinent point...and there's a way that sites get around it: by not getting into the story straight away. A lot of sites now (us included) will have 3-5 paragraphs of build-up before finally revealing the key piece of information a reader clicked on for. They serve ads after the build-up. Done. Longer engaged time on the site, more adverts viewed and served, more money.

It's not perfect, but this is how it is.

 

[oucho]

I've highlighted a very pertinent point...and there's a way that sites get around it: by not getting into the story straight away. A lot of sites now (us included) will have 3-5 paragraphs of build-up before finally revealing the key piece of information a reader clicked on for. They serve ads after the build-up. Done. Longer engaged time on the site, more adverts viewed and served, more money.

It's not perfect, but this is how it is.

I think that's a bit shortsighted. How long do you think it'll be before everyone cottons on to that? I got bored of the pre-buildup rehash/waffle and frustrated that it seemed like 'stories' were being created primarily to get clicks, not as a way of reporting actual news.

 

[Winny the Bish]

I think that's a bit shortsighted. How long do you think it'll be before everyone cottons on to that? I got bored of the pre-buildup rehash/waffle and frustrated that it seemed like 'stories' were being created primarily to get clicks, not as a way of reporting actual news.

I have no doubt that people already have - and have no doubt that it pisses viewers off. It's not the way I'd want to run a site, but this is what the company does and we just have to make it as good (read: Profitable) as possible.

 

[robbiekeane]

Yeesh it's absolutely embarrassing. I go on newsnow and ignore everything that says "coventry live" next to it.

What kind of website has video's auto-play when you click on an article? Can't open that at work. Awful awful website and never any original content. All for clicks and it's a real shame.

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

I've highlighted a very pertinent point...and there's a way that sites get around it: by not getting into the story straight away. A lot of sites now (us included) will have 3-5 paragraphs of build-up before finally revealing the key piece of information a reader clicked on for. They serve ads after the build-up. Done. Longer engaged time on the site, more adverts viewed and served, more money.

It's not perfect, but this is how it is.

Was just asking the question rather than having a go.

In terms of online, the Telegraph have totally devalued themselves as a news outlet, with the regurgitation of paraphrased Metro articles, repetitive content and ladbible style clickbait titles. Won't be long before they bring in the latest 'watch ten seconds of this video to unlock the article' shite.

Surely the bubble will burst eventually - people just won't bother going on there anymore.

 

[chiefdave]

I've highlighted a very pertinent point...and there's a way that sites get around it: by not getting into the story straight away. A lot of sites now (us included) will have 3-5 paragraphs of build-up before finally revealing the key piece of information a reader clicked on for. They serve ads after the build-up. Done. Longer engaged time on the site, more adverts viewed and served, more money.

That works in the short term but if you're hoping for return visits, which a site like the Telegraph certainly is, you don't want your users getting pissed off that the site takes hours to load and starts playing video's automatically with adverts popping up all over the place.

Won't be long before they decide its not worth the hassle?

Interesting to see that sites like The Athletic seem to be doing OK and growing, certainly expanding into new cities. Maybe the future for decent journalism is a smaller, more targeted audience who are prepared to pay.

If there was a decent local news & sport site I'd be prepared to pay for a subscription. Would rather have decent content well presented that I have to pay for than the mess that is the Telegraph site.

 

[duffer]

Was just asking the question rather than having a go.

In terms of online, the Telegraph have totally devalued themselves as a news outlet, with the regurgitation of paraphrased Metro articles, repetitive content and ladbible style clickbait titles. Won't be long before they bring in the latest 'watch ten seconds of this video to unlock the article' shite.

Surely the bubble will burst eventually - people just won't bother going on there anymore.

For me, that's already the case. Just can't be bothered with the CET site any more, it's just too painful...

 

[larry_david]

This is how Coventry City's next generation are getting on

Such lazy reporting. Look at their profiles of the youth players. Maycock, 'may need to go out on loan' He's been at Macclesfield for 3 months! Sick of them producing 'new' articles which are effectively copied and pasted from ones they did months ago. Mentioning Jordan Thompson due to feature in a match which happened two months ago.

 

[ceetee]

But you clicked on which is all they care about...........................you are right though.