skybluetony176
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That’s not true. According to you no one hates the EU more than Corbyn. You should have voted labour.
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NorthernWisdom
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Let's hope so!
The internet has helped people find out what the truth is. They have found out how much the EU costs us. You say it is a small amount.......but 3 years of payments is a massive amount you say
Then they found out that most of the money put into the EU each year goes to landowners. They found out that billions are lost to fraud.....but the money keeps flowing the same way. And they have also found out that amongst other things that the so called experts that have said that brexit would be a disaster are wrong more than right. And so far it shiws them to be wrong yet again. House prices were supposed to plummet. Unemployment was supposed to soar. Inflation was supposed to become uncontrollable.
Propaganda? Are you looking in the right direction for it?
It is a small amount in comparison to our trade and services. I said I don't understand why it has now become a large amount to repaid over many years. I said I don't get that and noone on here has explained it.
Some money will be wrongly placed and some misappropriated - e.g. by UKIP MEPs and their party. The idea is to clamp down on that and bring people to justice. Leaving won't stop some people in charge of our money dipping the till.
Brexit is becoming a disaster and we are not there yet. We are waiting to see what deal we get. Some companies are relocating and our economy is not growing as fast as others in the EU despite the favourable world growth. Citizens rights are still not clear and the Irish question is far from being solved. We don't know how we are going to control our borders if we are not in the single market. So much to taking control.
You can look the other way, but some signs are already there and whatever happens, the so called 'global Britain' and dead easy trade deals are nowhere to be seen. Keep waiting for your Unicorns. You'll have a long wait.
I remember cool Britannia and people looked up to us as a country going places. Now people keep asking what the hell are we doing and why? Fishing grounds? Blue passports? Sovereignty? WTF...
That was your choice, and if the EU was always the big issue which we needed to get out of, you and your leaver friends could have joined them in the same way as you are suggesting all remainers are voting or should be voting liberal. Why weren't people so angry in the past that they voted extreme right or left? What do you think rather suddenly made them want to leave? IMO it is the right wing UK msm and fake news plastered over FB by Farage's friends like Bannon, Breitbart and the Mercer family, CA etc. and other dubious parties. The status quo plus EU reform was the safest option for Britain and most of it's population.
Ian1779
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Farage will probably end up in that... it is a BBC creation after all.
#Me too !!
Kingokings204
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By Tim Faron’s al, the biggest joke of course being farage and the fisherman were just obeying the EU rules on fishing quotas which was the point Farron missed conveniently.
Kingokings204
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What’s hilarious about chucking dead fish in to the river because you aren’t allowed to keep them due to a nonsensical EU haddock quota?
I personally thought it was a great stunt and has got everyone talking and lots who don’t know this madness goes on. The supporting Tory mps wouldn’t chuck the fish so good old Nige was drafted in to Make the point.
skybluetony176
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Presumably then he threw in ones that you are allowed to keep because they’ve been landed. Sort of iconic really.
Sick Boy
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Sick Boy
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He should have done something useful and taken it along to a homeless shelter to feed people in need. So much for being a man of the people.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Or attend some of the fisheries committee meetings he was supposed to if he was that bothered about the U.K. fishing industry. He’s more a man of the person. That person being himself. Should do him for littering the Thames
I’m sure there’s laws on fly tipping.Edit. Just seen that you seen it further up. Funny if true.
fernandopartridge
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Dennis Skinner is the most anti EU Labour politician, puts his point across well.
skybluetony176
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Kingokings204
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Or attend some of the fisheries committee meetings he was supposed to if he was that bothered about the U.K. fishing industry. He’s more a man of the person. That person being himself. Should do him for littering the Thames
Edit. Just seen that you seen it further up. Funny if true.
Again same question to you that sickboy didn’t answer me on.
What’s “funny” about chucking away perfectly good fish to die due to a ridiculous Eu haddock quota?
Those meetings as he explained on GMB this morning as everyone knows that committee doesn’t have any power. It’s a waste of time. You never mentioned all the fishery meetings he attended when first an MEP until he realized he couldn’t do anything and he was pissing in the wind. Why bother?
Kingokings204
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Why? Wouldn’t be to distract from the point of chucking away perfectly good fish due to a ludicrous EU law on haddock quotas would it?
Ian1779
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The biggest joke is listening to Farage bleat on about fishing quotas when in fact he was on the fishing quota working party/group and only attended 1/42 meetings.
He is odious clown.
Kingokings204
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Good grief, he open admits he attended 1 meeting the reason being it had no power. Nothing could be done to change the rules.
He attended every meeting (which you don’t mention) before and got nothing. Farage was outvoted by 90% on fishing quotas every time and therefore stopped attending as it wouldn’t make any difference.
Can’t you just accept the fishing quotas and EU CFP is a disaster for this country?
Kingokings204
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Of course he is a clown but he can’t change the rules by himself. Other EU countries are very happy we only get 9% of the haddock stocks in our own British waters you will find funnily enough.
And you believe what he says? Have you fact checked his statement?
Kingokings204
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You can’t. It’s against the rules. Again that’s the point he was making which you seem to have missed. Ludicrous isn’t it?
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
Which one?
Ian1779
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I agree it is difficult to influence things when you only go to 3% of meetings.
chiefdave
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We're already massively overfishing. Thats before the UK pressured the EU to increase limits, against scientific advise, last year.
And of course the idea that we will suddenly be able to do what we like when leaving the EU ignores the fact that we still have to adhere to international agreements on stocks and we can't legally, let alone politically, take back all our waters solely for our own use. It is entirely possible that the limits will lower upon leaving the EU. Then you have to consider that much of the UK fishing industry infrastructure, such as boats and nets, is paid for by the EU. There's been no commitment from the government to take over that funding when it ceases.
BTW the notion that haddock is thrown away is incorrect. A discard ban was introduced by the EU in 2015 and will be filly implemented this year. Just in time for us to leave and not be subject to the ban.
SkyblueBazza
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I must be blind...your rants are always appear to me like Brexit-slating.
'It may succeed'...your anti-Brexit stance is looking a little shaky
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Kingokings204
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Not the 100% of meetings he attended to start with and got no where?
Ian1779
Well-Known Member
So let me get this straight... he attended 100% of meetings where he could have no influence, and when he finally got into a position where could potentially influence he sacked it off after 1 meeting??
chiefdave
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Hang on, we were told by the leave campaign that we should leave the EU because they were all powerful and told us what to do all the time but Farage didn't bother turning up as they had no power?
Even if you accept that he didn't attend committee as it was a waste of time why did he fail to vote on four occasions, while in the building, regarding the common fisheries policy (including a vote to allocate quotas on the basis of environmental and social criteria), common market organisation regulations and the European maritime fisheries fund regulation?
Sick Boy
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Then him and his mates bore on about the EU gravy train hahaha
Kingokings204
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Wrong. He attended 100% of fishery meetings to start with when first elected. He had no power and was constantly outvoted by circa 90%. he then attended 1 of 42 as you stated. There was no point.
All a big waste of time.
I repeat countries like France and Belgium like the fact we can only catch 9% of our own haddock when haddock stocks especially are very high at the moment.
Kingokings204
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First point is it was just a fisheries committee, it held no power. Pointless.
I repeat yet again that other eu countries like the fact we can only catch 9% of our own haddock stocks let alone cod and bass stocks so yes he didn’t vote. He was outvoted by about 90% so his vote wasn’t a key vote I think it’s fair to say. He should of voted still I agree. Ask him why he didn’t.
Ian1779
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Perhaps he should have written his protestations on the side of a bus....
chiefdave
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So what do you think will happen when we have to negotiate our share given that we will still have to abide by international agreements on stocks and have committed to respect EU catch limits to ensure the preservation of stocks?
Remember at present under the grossly unfair EU rules the UK, which owns 13% of the EU sea area is allocated 30% of the EU quota. As part of that 30% we are allocated over 80% of the North Sea haddock quota.
chiefdave
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As I said when we stick two fingers up to Europe and attempt to claim back 'our' waters in what way will we be better off given that our currently quota is more than double our sea area?
Not to mention fish don't pay much attention to borders and cod & haddock numbers are dropping in our waters due to increasing water temperatures.
The UK gets 84% of the North Sea haddock quota. As you think that is too low what do you deem an acceptable level. Are you proposing an increase in levels already deemed by many scientists to be too high to be sustainable?
