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[Astute]

So who watched it?

Farage is a clown. But he put his points across much better than Cameron.

Made me laugh when the woman refused to believe that black people would want to get out of the EU. But when it was Cameron's turn the best questions were coming from black people. All nationalities as well as all kinds of British descendents are suffering. And many have had enough.

Does anyone think it went well for Cameron?

 

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[Kingokings204]

I'm surprised you didn't say something earlier when a poster dismissed the Guardian as it is 'pro EU'. Maybe you missed it?

It's just known isn't it. I'm a fair man so whilst I said guardian is pro eu it is. As the daily express is anti eu. Just the paths they chose to follow.

 

[martcov]

As long as you buy it out of a bottle.

I tend towards Grendel here - with the proviso, it should be safe quality ( there may be some that are not there yet - but there are EU directives stating that it must be drinkable ). I think most countries, if not all, are there.

 

[Kingokings204]

So who watched it?

Farage is a clown. But he put his points across much better than Cameron.

Made me laugh when the woman refused to believe that black people would want to get out of the EU. But when it was Cameron's turn the best questions were coming from black people. All nationalities as well as all kinds of British descendents are suffering. And many have had enough.

Does anyone think it went well for Cameron?

That black woman was a joke. Talk about playing the race card a bit too much. It actually worked against her looking at Twitter. She is getting slated.

Cameron did his usual trick and talk about economy economy economy and not real issues like housing and immigration. Far more interested in GdP which real people don't care about.

Farage was clearly set up to look bad and the black woman and the pharmaceutical man are now two new reasons to vote out for me. Disgraceful. Let's have a debate not make people out racist and little England as Dave kept on noticeably saying.

 

[Astute]

I tend towards Grendel here - with the proviso, it should be safe quality ( there may be some that are not there yet - but there are EU directives stating that it must be drinkable ). I think most countries, if not all, are there.

That is what I was saying though. In GB we have safe water. It is safe in the whole of GB. It is said to be safe in the EU. But saying it is safe in the EU doesn't mean it is safe throughout the EU.

It is all to do with the wording.

 

[chiefdave]

Does anyone think it went well for Cameron?

More importantly he really needs to calm down with the botox.

 

[martcov]

I have had 2 Baltic Stouts ( potential disclaimer ), but... there is no way that a small island divided into different ethnic groups/ countries is going to be able to go it alone in today's global world. Yes, we had a great navy which was ahead of it's time and were able to control countries a long way away. But we don' have that now. Even if we did, a few intercontinental missiles or a "dirty bomb" attack would negate our threat. The truth is, we need Europe - politically and militarily. The EU will rip us apart if we leave. They will make an example of us to deter other defectors. I sell British products in Germany. If there is an extra tax for British products - I'm done. So, that is the selfish reason. Having said that, Northern Ireland holds together because we are all in the EU. We are protected against such things as religious discrimination. I think Brexit is the start of Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland's exit from the "Union". They have far more to gain by being in the EU. A vote for Brexit actually means the end of the UK within a decade - imo.

 

[martcov]

That is what I was saying though. In GB we have safe water. It is safe in the whole of GB. It is said to be safe in the EU. But saying it is safe in the EU doesn't mean it is safe throughout the EU.

It is all to do with the wording.

No reason to leave then?

 

[martcov]

That's because for the EU to succeed in all it wants - there has to be a broadly equal economy, standard & quality of life across the EU. That means there will be winners...the poorer countries (e.g. Romania), & losers...the wealthier countries (e.g. Britain) over time.
In stark terms Britain has to subsidise Romania. And when I say 'Britain' - remember 'we are all in this together' (unless we have plenty stashed away in off-shore tax havens of course)

...onwards & upwards PUSB

In real terms, when Romania has the same spending power as us, then we have a great market for our products. Good for us.

 

[Kingokings204]

I have had 2 Baltic Stouts ( potential disclaimer ), but... there is no way that a small island divided into different ethnic groups/ countries is going to be able to go it alone in today's global world. Yes, we had a great navy which was ahead of it's time and were able to control countries a long way away. But we don' have that now. Even if we did, a few intercontinental missiles or a "dirty bomb" attack would negate our threat. The truth is, we need Europe - politically and militarily. The EU will rip us apart if we leave. They will make an example of us to deter other defectors. I sell British products in Germany. If there is an extra tax for British products - I'm done. So, that is the selfish reason. Having said that, Northern Ireland holds together because we are all in the EU. We are protected against such things as religious discrimination. I think Brexit is the start of Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland's exit from the "Union". They have far more to gain by being in the EU. A vote for Brexit actually means the end of the UK within a decade - imo.

I'm really sorry I can't believe that. Many welsh and scots and northern Irish Despise the eu. The eu has destroyed the fishing industry in Scotland for example. Scots hate that. I did note mr Cameron mentioned a second Scottish referendum to scare us. When the truth is Scotland wouldn't be accepted by the EU even if they did want to join. They don't have the right circumstances to join. Would have to take the euro. Says a lot for the snp also who want independence but then want to be part of the eu. Couldn't make it up.

I respect your opinion by the way about the splitting up of the U.K. And if the uk wasn't voted for we would just be a smaller eu but I made reference earlier to the fact the Scottish only two years ago had a vote and they stayed in. They had a voice. They had a chance.

When have we ever vote for the eu? Political union? Never. 1975 was the common market. I wasn't even born then so.

The U.K. Would stay together if we ever left. Scotland had the chance to leave 2 years ago whilst we were in the eu. They wernt happy anyway. 55-45 settled the argument. You could argue coming out the eu would prompt a second refendum is madness for two reasons. 1. Snp will always want a referendum when they can actually win it whether in the eu or not. Fact. and 2. When Scotland voted yes to uk 2 years ago comes with that all the decisions the uk makes.

If we stay part of the eu and turkey and Albania join let's say in 5 years (hypothetical) do we have another eu referendum? No of course not.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Switzerland... the second richest country in the world seem to be doing alright, considering they're not in the EU... Just putting it out there

Where did you get this from GDP per capita Switzerland 39th in the world uk 9th

 

[covmark]

Where did you get this from GDP per capita Switzerland 39th in the world uk 9th

According to global finance. UK 27th Switzerland 10th.
However Sbk is still full of shit.

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[dongonzalos]

What happened to my thread you bunch of tarts!!!

I am voting in net migration will be the same in or out. It will just be supplemented from outside the EU instead. We still require the workforce that people born in the UK either won't do or aren't capable of doing.

 

[Astute]

What happened to my thread you bunch of tarts!!!

I am voting in net migration will be the same in or out. It will just be supplemented from outside the EU instead. We still require the workforce that people born in the UK either won't do or aren't capable of doing.

No it won't.

Firstly the borders would not be closed to people moving here from Europe. But we would choose the skills we need. And yes people would come here from outside the EU. The ones that have the skills that we need and also on humanitarian grounds.

At the moment we have to let everyone in from the EU. We don't know about their past. We are getting no go areas. Some places are suffering badly. But you are OK because it hasn't happened where you live yet?

Doesn't it tell you something when you have people where they or their parents moved to this country are saying things need to change?

 

[Sick Boy]

How would you replace the unskilled, low paid workers from the EU that you seem desperate to send back?

 

[Astute]

How would you replace the unskilled, low paid workers from the EU that you seem desperate to send back?

How come you can always read what someone hasn't written?

Everyone already here would have come here legally. So they would stay. Then we would be able to choose who comes to stay instead of having mass migration each time new countries join the EU.

I always thought that the idea of poor countries joining the EU was to help them to improve. Yes the EU chucks billions at them each year. But so far what has happened is a large proportion of the younger population leave for somewhere better to live leaving the older ones to fend for themselves. And how are they supposed to rebuild with their workforce has moved away?

Europe joining together was a good idea. But the planning was poor as there never was a plan. They have made it up as they go along.

 

[Sick Boy]

.....a bit like your arguements.
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Personally I'm sick to death of the whole thing and wish the vote was tomorrow.

Edit: Even if there is a vote to leave I believe that we would end up trying to remain in the single market as to avoid economical suicide and keep freedom of movement.

 

[Astute]

Those who want to remain would love to have the vote ASAP. The British public are starting to realise that they are trying to scare us into staying. Yes the whole thing has been a joke. They even tell us to listen to the economists that constantly get things wrong.

At least we have the Euro's to look forward to. Last chance to win it before we are kicked out

 

[SkyblueBazza]

What happened to my thread you bunch of tarts!!!

I am voting in net migration will be the same in or out. It will just be supplemented from outside the EU instead. We still require the workforce that people born in the UK either won't do or aren't capable of doing.

I reckon the basic rule of supply & demand would work in Britain regarding the workforce if we were less obsessed about hierarchy in all walks of life.
Many football coaches are paid less than many of those they coach. So why not conduct an experiment? Offer £10, £20 or even £30 an hour & see how many so called lazy/unwilling people suddenly become prepared to clean the toilet. It the value placed upon roles that needs reassessing! Then foreign workers might not be needed.
Doctors & nurses...we train them & wave them goodbye all too often. Pay them them better or give them better working conditions & they will stay here. Instead all too often they seek the better pay & conditions in far flung places & leave us with relatively cheaper Doctors & Nurses trained elsewhere that may have different expectations & questionably different standards.
So I am not sure net immigration would remain the same. A lot in the longer term may come back home.

...onwards & upwards PUSB

 

[SkyblueBazza]

I have had 2 Baltic Stouts ( potential disclaimer ), but... there is no way that a small island divided into different ethnic groups/ countries is going to be able to go it alone in today's global world. Yes, we had a great navy which was ahead of it's time and were able to control countries a long way away. But we don' have that now. Even if we did, a few intercontinental missiles or a "dirty bomb" attack would negate our threat. The truth is, we need Europe - politically and militarily. The EU will rip us apart if we leave. They will make an example of us to deter other defectors. I sell British products in Germany. If there is an extra tax for British products - I'm done. So, that is the selfish reason. Having said that, Northern Ireland holds together because we are all in the EU. We are protected against such things as religious discrimination. I think Brexit is the start of Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland's exit from the "Union". They have far more to gain by being in the EU. A vote for Brexit actually means the end of the UK within a decade - imo.

Militarily...NATO is the might that 'protects' us. Not the EU.
Religious discrimination? We have laws about that - & so does the EU. And many 'Remain' people seem to readily point out that the European Court would still have to be cow towed to if we Brexit on Human Rights. Same with the taxes you fear. They work both ways...so would they really be eagerly put up as barriers or quickly negotiated away?
Nobody can be sure.
Alternatively if we remain - as I gave suggested elsewhere...our negotiating strength has immediately been significantly eroded because 'your people voted to accept & hence endorse all we are seeking to do'

It's a difficult & complex one & your 'selfish' approach is what it all comes down to so well said.

I have only ever sold one house. And even ten it was to buy a different one. So 18% reduction wouldn't bother me. if tgey ralked about the impact on the price of a bottle of wineouble the price of a bottle wine, litre of fuel, time spent at border cotrol on summer holidays in Spain & the like - both sides might get more attention & thought from the masses. Instead...reason has been generally 'the economy' 'immigration' 'NHS' scaremongering.

...onwards & upwards PUSB

 

[Sick Boy]

Those who want to remain would love to have the vote ASAP. The British public are starting to realise that they are trying to scare us into staying. Yes the whole thing has been a joke. They even tell us to listen to the economists that constantly get things wrong.

At least we have the Euro's to look forward to. Last chance to win it before we are kicked out

Haha yes because the leave campaign have not madeven anything up and are completely honest. I presume that you actually believe they would put 350million a week into the NHS.

My parents are Irish so was brought up supporting the Republic; at least I will get used to losing before ccfc kick off again.

 

[Sick Boy]

Just a question to put out there....in the event of Brexit, would EU citizens wanting to come into Britain for a holiday need a visa? After all, how else would you know who is here?

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Just a question to put out there....in the event of Brexit, would EU citizens wanting to come into Britain for a holiday need a visa? After all, how else would you know who is here?

Good idea SB a nice little revenue earner that, must be paid in a real currency though none of that Euro funny money.

If we vote out and it is seen a successful I would expect a few of the other countries to follow and leave Merkel holding hands with the ones that are left.

 

[Sick Boy]

Good idea SB a nice little revenue earner that, must be paid in a real currency though none of that Euro funny money.

If we vote out and it is seen a successful I would expect a few of the other countries to follow and leave Merkel holding hands with the ones that are left.

So you would support British citizens having to get a visa to go to each country in the EU?

Well, the National Front in France seem to like the idea, as do La Lega Nord in Italy, aren't we in great company!!

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

So you would support British citizens having to get a visa to go to each country in the EU?

Well, the National Front in France seem to like the idea, as do La Lega Nord in Italy, aren't we in great company!!

Of course we can manage to do it to go to the USA and other places but I don't think the immigration problem is coming from the average Joe traveller more these people who are trying desperately to get here on little boats etc. It was a bit tongue in cheek SB.

 

[Sick Boy]

Of course we can manage to do it to go to the USA and other places but I don't think the immigration problem is coming from the average Joe traveller more these people who are trying desperately to get here on little boats etc. It was a bit tongue in cheek SB.

I am not sure whether people trying to get here on little boats care if we are in the EU or not.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

I am not sure whether people trying to get here on little boats care if we are in the EU or not.

Not a bit but I would hope they are easier to stop then, immigration that brings skills,talent and nice people is great, people who are sneaking in are none of these.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Where did you get this from GDP per capita Switzerland 39th in the world uk 9th

http://myfirstclasslife.com/10-richest-countries-in-the-world/?singlepage=1


It all depends which "Blog" you believe

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

According to global finance. UK 27th Switzerland 10th.
However Sbk is still full of shit.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/ranisin...re-the-worlds-richest-countries/#1ea126426b82

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Where did you get this from GDP per capita Switzerland 39th in the world uk 9th

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ranisin...re-the-worlds-richest-countries/#1ea126426b82

 

[Monners]

My parents were Irish too, so I am looking forward to more football misery.
I am an Irish citizen but still get a vote
Still, my parents worked hard all their lives and paid their way - still bloody immigrants though, taking people's jobs!

Haha yes because the leave campaign have not madeven anything up and are completely honest. I presume that you actually believe they would put 350million a week into the NHS.

My parents are Irish so was brought up supporting the Republic; at least I will get used to losing before ccfc kick off again.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

How would you replace the unskilled, low paid workers from the EU that you seem desperate to send back?

You always ask the questions, try answering some.

 

[Sick Boy]

Not a bit but I would hope they are easier to stop then, immigration that brings skills,talent and nice people is great, people who are sneaking in are none of these.

EU membership or not would make no difference to these people.

 

[Sick Boy]

You always ask the questions, try answering some.

Like what?

 

[skybluetony176]

If you took a balanced view of what both have said you wouldn't vote in or out. For the large part the in campaign is based on why you shouldn't vote out not why you should vote in and the out campaign is based on why you shouldn't vote in not why you should vote out. As referendum campaign's go both sides have royally messed up in my opinion. Neither have given us an argument to vote for them just an argument to not vote for the other. You can't make a sensible balanced decision based on the campaigns. If for no other reason than that you're best of voting in so there is no change. Things aren't that broken that we need to jump blind folded into an unknown abyss.