forgive me father for i have sinned

[Nick]

Guys have got to lighten up about the Wasps. With all the bad feeling Council would only have sold to SISU in extreme circumstances

Premiership rugby in Coventry is brilliant and as my mate noted "the beer's better now a rugby club is in charge"

I'd like us to own, but that's not available. But it's better than what was the situation before

I've not trawled thro the thread so if this has all been said before sorry

Yeah, it's nothing really to do with the thread. But good 1st post anyway

It was more about what they put on for the kids on matchday.

 

[albatross]

It was more about what they put on for the kids on matchday.

To a point, its all about getting the bank of mum and dad there to spend..... find actually it was good ... kids happy dad happy.... at a sporting event and can have a few beers... If people start to go to see football , they get hooked , its habit forming

 

[Nick]

To a point, its all about getting the bank of mum and dad there to spend..... find actually it was good ... kids happy dad happy.... at a sporting event and can have a few beers... If people start to go to see football , they get hooked , its habit forming

the habit includes price as well though.

 

[Sick Boy]

Guys have got to lighten up about the Wasps. With all the bad feeling Council would only have sold to SISU in extreme circumstances

Premiership rugby in Coventry is brilliant and as my mate noted "the beer's better now a rugby club is in charge"

I'd like us to own, but that's not available. But it's better than what was the situation before

I've not trawled thro the thread so if this has all been said before sorry

Thanks for that Simon.

 

[fernandopartridge]

To a point, its all about getting the bank of mum and dad there to spend..... find actually it was good ... kids happy dad happy.... at a sporting event and can have a few beers... If people start to go to see football , they get hooked , its habit forming

Have you got the stats for the average age of rugby union fans yet?

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Not read the whole thread but fair play to the franchise club....they're doing the right things to engage the nippers. If we're honest, our club can learn from the engagement they have with the youth of today although the stuff the JSB are seemingly doing is great.

One of the reasons we cannot do anything like that on matchdays in the Jag Hall is that Wasps won't let us have it. Although we pay rent, we don't get all the facilities.

 

[italiahorse]

Not read the whole thread but fair play to the franchise club....they're doing the right things to engage the nippers. If we're honest, our club can learn from the engagement they have with the youth of today although the stuff the JSB are seemingly doing is great.

One of the reasons we cannot do anything like that on matchdays in the Jag Hall is that Wasps won't let us have it. Although we pay rent, we don't get all the facilities.

How do you know we can't have the Jaguar hall?
If it's empty we could hire it.
Perhaps if we asked they might let us have it and they have the F and B.
Perhaps if we committed to the Ricoh things like bouncy castles and padded areas could be shared.

We need to stop being victims.

 

[Nick]

How do you know we can't have the Jaguar hall?
If it's empty we could hire it.
Perhaps if we asked they might let us have it and they have the F and B.
Perhaps if we committed to the Ricoh things like bouncy castles and padded areas could be shared.

We need to stop being victims.

bingo!!!

 

[Sick Boy]

Imagine if Northampton fans had had the backbone of a jellyfish as well.

 

[Ian1779]

Aren't JSB activities run by volunteers? Whereas I would assume all of this is put on by paid staff as opposed to people giving up their Saturday's for nothing.

 

[Macca]

Are we to seriously believe that Wasps are stealing fans of us. We get about 10-15k now and we got 10-15k in the 1980's. Who was stealing the fans then???
I grew up with fuck all in this city. Now there is a football team, 2 rugby teams and Ice Hockey. Just let people enjoy themselves for Christ sake

 

[Skyblueweeman]

How do you know we can't have the Jaguar hall?
If it's empty we could hire it.
Perhaps if we asked they might let us have it and they have the F and B.
Perhaps if we committed to the Ricoh things like bouncy castles and padded areas could be shared.

We need to stop being victims.

I'll be honest...I don't for certain.

However, if they've kicked us out of the 'home' changing room and make us use a room no bigger than my front room as a players lounge, I suspect that the Jag Hall wouldn't be included in our rent.

Infact Italia, I'd put good money on it that if they got a nice enquiry for use of the Exhibition Hall on a Saturday, they'd put it on during a Cov game as opposed to a Wasps game.

Oh, and I work in the hospitality industry so I kind of know how those things work...

 

[Nick]

Are we to seriously believe that Wasps are stealing fans of us. We get about 10-15k now and we got 10-15k in the 1980's. Who was stealing the fans then???
I grew up with fuck all in this city. Now there is a football team, 2 rugby teams and Ice Hockey. Just let people enjoy themselves for Christ sake

Hasnt there always been a football and rugby team?

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Are we to seriously believe that Wasps are stealing fans of us. We get about 10-15k now and we got 10-15k in the 1980's. Who was stealing the fans then???
I grew up with fuck all in this city. Now there is a football team, 2 rugby teams and Ice Hockey. Just let people enjoy themselves for Christ sake

I don't think it's a case of stealing fans Macca. In Wasps defence, what they're doing with the kids is probably something we could step up a gear and do ourselves.

I'm a vocal critic of Franchise RFC and hope for them to go bust/implode/p*ss off but with what they appear to be doing, I can only command as good marketing. I think that's what people are getting their knickers in a twist over.

 

[italiahorse]

Imagine if Northampton fans had had the backbone of a jellyfish as well.

Can't help, never went.

 

[Nick]

I don't think it's a case of stealing fans Macca. In Wasps defence, what they're doing with the kids is probably something we could step up a gear and do ourselves.

I'm a vocal critic of Franchise RFC and hope for them to go bust/implode/p*ss off but with what they appear to be doing, I can only command as good marketing. I think that's what people are getting their knickers in a twist over.

I have no issue with them doing it, it is great that kids have fun nowadays without the need for a screen, it is the fact they do it and people get excited about it and don't actually realise CCFC do it and have been for years. There are plenty of posts about it on here, there was about the Christmas party. They tend to get ignored.

It is like at one of the first games of the season, ccfc had about 10-15 kids teams in their kits walking round the side of the pitch with their flags etc. The next weeks wasps did it, there was a post on here applauding it saying ccfc should do things like that for the local kids clubs.....

The same as Maton saying how great it was Wasps were doing things that SBIT have been doing for years.

Wasps could bring in somebody kicking a ball at half time, people would probably get excited and say CCFC should be doing things like that.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Fair point Nick.

Anyway, I'm off to play indoor football...the first time I've kicked a ball in a few years.

Sore legs tomorrow no doubt....

 

[albatross]

Have you got the stats for the average age of rugby union fans yet?

I did have a look but there does not seem to be that sort of analysis (mainly spending power) but I would bet I would not lose any money if I wagered that currently it is at least that of the Premier league, but that is not really relevant to the point I was making.

As it stands Rugby at the top level has increasing crowds year on year and even at the highest level there are usually plenty of empty seats where the next generation can be encouraged to go along with parents.

Football at the highest level fills 95%+ of the available seats with the big clubs having season ticket waiting lists that mean you would have to wait years to get one. in this scenario its market forces with only those able to afford the asking price can attend. It has been debated on Radio 5 and reported as to how this is changing the atmosphere at games depriving the viewers of the "atmosphere" and de-valuing their product in terms of TV rights sales. A real example is that Man U have an official dedicated singing section to improve the atmosphere

Where CCFC and Rugby share an opportunity is that they do have empty seats and as such room in the ground and an opportunity to increase their current and future fan base as per the original post. A by product will also be more ticket sales , F&B (they do get a share) and also more merchandise sales. The lower league clubs have an opportunity to be a bit creative a build a younger following because they simply have the room

 

[italiahorse]

I'll be honest...I don't for certain.

However, if they've kicked us out of the 'home' changing room and make us use a room no bigger than my front room as a players lounge, I suspect that the Jag Hall wouldn't be included in our rent.

Infact Italia, I'd put good money on it that if they got a nice enquiry for use of the Exhibition Hall on a Saturday, they'd put it on during a Cov game as opposed to a Wasps game.
Oh, and I work in the hospitality industry so I kind of know how those things work...

Our dressing room is plenty big enough. Are old one is slightly bigger so it makes sense that more people who are larger move in it.
The players lounge if its still down there was small anyhow.
We hardly pay rent so it won't be included. But we could book it like anybody else. I'm not in hospitality but even I know that.

 

[albatross]

the habit includes price as well though.

I agree, but you attend with kids and clearly enjoy it, I bet its not just the football but all the associated things that it brings in terms of what the kids get out of it, memories and simply enjoying it with them.

If the price went up I bet you would naturally resist the pressure not to go because its not just the money to get in but all the other intangibles it brings.

In short you are fans and no other team will do..and you will continue to go...... whoever or however this started with you has done a great job as its spanning more than one generation.

 

[Nick]

Our dressing room is plenty big enough. Are old one is slightly bigger so it makes sense that more people who are larger move in it.
The players lounge if its still down there was small anyhow.
We hardly pay rent so it won't be included. But we could book it like anybody else. I'm not in hospitality but even I know that.

How much to book it do you think?

I had a quote for a kids birthday there, so dread to think about the whole hall.

 

[stupot07]

How much to book it do you think?

I had a quote for a kids birthday there, so dread to think about the whole hall.

£5-10k to hire the day?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors

 

[Nick]

I agree, but you attend with kids and clearly enjoy it, I bet its not just the football but all the associated things that it brings in terms of what the kids get out of it, memories and simply enjoying it with them.

If the price went up I bet you would naturally resist the pressure not to go because its not just the money to get in but all the other intangibles it brings.

In short you are fans and no other team will do..and you will continue to go...... whoever or however this started with you has done a great job as its spanning more than one generation.

Yes I would, because I'm a city fan.

I know people who have been to wasps on free tickets, just because they were free. No passion there.

I don't doubt it will stick for a few fans, but if people are used to it being free with a fun fair, they expect it all the time dont they?

I know businesses who have used things like group on and hate it, because their customers only see their product worth the low price. Some come back, but the majority don't when they have to pay full price.

 

[Nick]

£5-10k to hire the day?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors

I'd guess at least.

I asked for a kids birthday party, about twenty kids. Was quoted I think it was 400 - 500 for a couple of hours. Not allowed my own food in there, 10 per kid for nuggets and chips on top.

 

[Macca]

Hasnt there always been a football and rugby team?

Er yes as I said now there are 2 rugby teams and an ice hockey team let people enjoy life

 

[Macca]

I don't think it's a case of stealing fans Macca. In Wasps defence, what they're doing with the kids is probably something we could step up a gear and do ourselves.

I'm a vocal critic of Franchise RFC and hope for them to go bust/implode/p*ss off but with what they appear to be doing, I can only command as good marketing. I think that's what people are getting their knickers in a twist over.

It's people getting high and mighty and moral and fucking boring. The same people that welcome sex offenders if they know where the back of the net is

 

[Grendel]

This thread shows how little people understand effective marketing and consumer related demand.

FP does - Italia as ever looks foolish and uneducated in this particular field.

 

[Nick]

It's people getting high and mighty and moral and fucking boring. The same people that welcome sex offenders if they know where the back of the net is

Who has said anything about being moral?

 

[albatross]

Yes I would, because I'm a city fan.

I know people who have been to wasps on free tickets, just because they were free. No passion there.

I don't doubt it will stick for a few fans, but if people are used to it being free with a fun fair, they expect it all the time dont they?

I know businesses who have used things like group on and hate it, because their customers only see their product worth the low price. Some come back, but the majority don't when they have to pay full price.

Again I agree with you, but being a fan often starts or is strongly re-inforced by being there. I don't think there is any substitute for being at a game where you care. I'm 50 and can clearly remember my gran being most insistent that there was only one team that mattered. I was a supporter before i went but once I had been to a game I could not support another football team. It has to start somewhere so getting them in young can only help.

God knows why CCFC when I was at school ( early 70's) think there was about two city fans in the class , rest were Liverpool or Man U.. its just one of those things ,no logic just feeling.

 

[italiahorse]

This thread shows how little people understand effective marketing and consumer related demand.

FP does - Italia as ever looks foolish and uneducated in this particular field.

Made a lifetime of it.

Retired at 50, still get my Jaguar company car and enhanced pension, spend non match days touring the UK in my camper van and match days at the Ricoh while my staff cream in cash and I'm down the casino in a pre match drink.

Where did I go wrong ?

 

[ccfcway]

What about the passion? When the Wasps player comes out does anybody know who they are?

Is it the same as 100 kids following Adam Armstrong about? Or hearing a kid say "Theres Joe Cole" and kids running to see him?

We are hopeful in a couple of weeks Joe will be fit enough to run away from them

 

[skybluetony176]

Fair play to you CC4L. Although I've vowed to never go to a Wasps game you're right. Family does come first and under the circumstances you found yourself in I'd have done exactly the same.

 

[ccfcway]

Fair play to you CC4L. Although I've vowed to never go to a Wasps game you're right. Family does come first and under the circumstances you found yourself in I'd have done exactly the same.

personally I would have said no. They couldn't pay me to go to a wasps game.

 

[Nick]

Fair play to you CC4L. Although I've vowed to never go to a Wasps game you're right. Family does come first and under the circumstances you found yourself in I'd have done exactly the same.

Just a shame you weren't saying the same about the people who put their family first to take them to Sixfields

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Just a shame you weren't saying the same about the people who put their family first to take them to Sixfields

What family?

Majority were grown ups with no kids in tow?
Any way Tony did think of his family took them on the hill,,,,,, Fair play to him.☺