Could it be that they were not there?
Maybe they don't stay in London? Maybe the office only have mere mortals doing boring administrative jobs?
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Could it be that they were not there?
Maybe they don't stay in London? Maybe the office only have mere mortals doing boring administrative jobs?
NorthernWisdom
Well-Known Member
I'm a member too, and because their releases keep changing so often from moderate attempts to "work in partnership with the Club and all other stakeholders in CCFC" to doing the complete opposite, I have no idea if I agree with them or not half the time!
MichaelCCFC
New Member
The message is keep ccfc in Cov and 30 secs on ssn will be picked up on and helps get the ball rolling. Doesn't need to go viral or have 2k people at all. Not enough hours in the day at the moment so have to sign out now but trust has consulted on all major decisions and will continue to do so - just as some people will always be critical. Each unto their own!
Nick
Administrator
Surely action that goes viral around the world on sports forums is better than a short clip on the telegraph website with a couple of fellas outside an office? I have only had 1 email that was "do you want us to take action, yes or no" there wasn't an in between or "what do you think we should do".
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
So I am a troll PGSM1 I have never started a tread accusing you or calling you names. I have however responded to your outrages on many occasions.
I have never had a go at anyone for not being in the Trust.
You however have to put this into every tread you write.
You now have people like Craig who want to have one to ones with other posters and threatening them it is a total disgrace.
You yourself keep saying that you have been threatened this has yet to be proved as you never reply to this or show us the proof that we have asked for.
I for one believe that people should make up their own minds whether to join a trust,party support a team it is a free country.
I also believe that we need to have voices from all angles to get the word across, I went to these forums and 99% of the questions came from your average supporter they may have even been members of the trust but they were asking them on their own behalf.
In these troubled times we need to be united not coming on here and slagging each other off SISU must be loving it.
You have also stated that other Trusts were run along better lines this is not true they are the ones that gave us direction you say that all the Trust wants is money then you say that they should be collecting money to battle with which one is it.
Craig you say that Steve should meet one on one at the next game well sorry mate the way things are going that's never going to happen as he has stated not at the Ricoh not at all you should save your fighting for SISU not other Cov fans.
So before you start judging others sit back and reflect on what your trying to do split all the fans we will never win like that if at all.:blue::blue:
I have never had a go at anyone for not being in the Trust.
You however have to put this into every tread you write.
You now have people like Craig who want to have one to ones with other posters and threatening them it is a total disgrace.
You yourself keep saying that you have been threatened this has yet to be proved as you never reply to this or show us the proof that we have asked for.
I for one believe that people should make up their own minds whether to join a trust,party support a team it is a free country.
I also believe that we need to have voices from all angles to get the word across, I went to these forums and 99% of the questions came from your average supporter they may have even been members of the trust but they were asking them on their own behalf.
In these troubled times we need to be united not coming on here and slagging each other off SISU must be loving it.
You have also stated that other Trusts were run along better lines this is not true they are the ones that gave us direction you say that all the Trust wants is money then you say that they should be collecting money to battle with which one is it.
Craig you say that Steve should meet one on one at the next game well sorry mate the way things are going that's never going to happen as he has stated not at the Ricoh not at all you should save your fighting for SISU not other Cov fans.
So before you start judging others sit back and reflect on what your trying to do split all the fans we will never win like that if at all.:blue::blue:
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
So what do you think we should do? come on use this forum tell us we keep hearing that then no one wants to answer
Here's your chance.....................................
Nick
Administrator
There are a couple of thousand members in the trust, not all of them can get to a pub or to London to discuss ideas can they? What about a webinar, an online Q and A where people can discuss ideas about what they think could make a difference? There could be a member somewhere who has a great idea but is worried about sharing it because of being shouted down or told "at least we are trying" or something.
What about a basic forum on the trust website where members can put ideas and discuss plans of action?
Now it looks like SISU are here to stay, the Trust should at least be trying to somehow communicate them and not be cutting ties for a start.
What about a basic forum on the trust website where members can put ideas and discuss plans of action?
Now it looks like SISU are here to stay, the Trust should at least be trying to somehow communicate them and not be cutting ties for a start.
Alright - you should go to the council and say we, the fans, want ACL and the club agreeing to at least a three year deal before sisu moves the club away and it will be to late to reverse!
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
I'm Sorry but PGSM1 has said that the Trust should not even talk to the owners of CCFC so what should it be. you do and your all scum you don't and your all scum have a web cam how many will actually take part? Sorry but there is no fight in our fans set up a march its no good its on a saturday set up boycotts its no good its on a work day send e-mails its no good they won't read them come on we need better then this.
We need to unite or put up with what we got.
As for a Q and A we have tried that on here with no success but i suppose they could give it a go....................................
We need to unite or put up with what we got.
As for a Q and A we have tried that on here with no success but i suppose they could give it a go....................................
Nonleagueherewecome
Well-Known Member
You haven't received the emails that every other member got, then?
Nonleagueherewecome
Well-Known Member
Yes, that's the spirit, it's all ACL's fault... :jerkit: :jerkit: :jerkit:
ccfctommy
Well-Known Member
I didn't say that - but they share the blame.
Protesting against sisu is not achieving the goal - to stay at the Ricoh.
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
Yes of course it is Tim told us that they caused the club to be 50,60,70 million in Debt
Nonleagueherewecome
Well-Known Member
SISU 90% responsible, ACL 10% IMO. Find it hard to understand how others think otherwise...anything less than perfect by ACL justifies everything by SISU according to some. Some people have no sense of perspective and like being contrary wankers, though.
Nonleagueherewecome
Well-Known Member
Your beloved SISU can get bent if they think myself and thousands others will follow them. You either don't care or don't understand though, do you?
Nick
Administrator
I musnt have
have I missed the q and a and webinar stuff then asking for ideas with a discussion?
Nonleagueherewecome
Well-Known Member
I musnt have
No but there have been several asking whether I agree with their stance.
Nick
Administrator
Was that the yes or no one?
Nonleagueherewecome
Well-Known Member
You said you hadn't been asked your opinion, didn't you? Doesn't have to be a webinar, does it?
It's interesting how the trust trolls themselves accuse others of not reading comments when they themselves do not!
Sure it is fine for Steve to represent himself, however like it or not as a member of the board they put themselves up for criticism when they take that role on. If you do not like that then resign - it's pretty simple!
By the same token if a politician does something illegal or immoral is the publics reaction - oh well that is just them? No on the contrary the opponents of that person's party use it as a weapon against that particular party! Maybe it's not fair, maybe even it's not right, but it is the reality. Certainly if they want to be in a position of authority they should expect a heck of a lot more than that!
So when this Steve comes to forums declairing himself a member of the trust, then his words must surely reflect those of the trust, otherwise when he speaks he shouldn't say he is part of the trust!
Ditto when they go on the radio, if they do not want their views to be associated with the trustm, then you shouldn't go out of your way to say you are part of the trust then - this is just common sense!
Craig is absolutely correct. When you defend the trust, when you say they have done so much, then surely it is fair comment to ask what precisely have they done for the club?
Public appearences (on radio and media) - have raised the profile of the trust, but how has that benefitted the club Matt? Have their publicity stunts put more bums on seats? Or brought new investors into the club?
Joe & the Hoff have, so they can at least be qualified in saying they have done something for the club!
Maybe you can share their successes, as getting on sky blues interactive, appearing on TV wearing a t-shirt with the trust logo on might be considered a success for the trust but it is not repeat not any good for the club - which after all they claim is their sole concern (at least they used to)!
Indeed I released to the world first that the league had confirmed the ltd were the club - hours before the trust did! I have written to as many peoiple - if not more than the trust have! I wouldn't claim any successes - so how can the trust possibly claim any?
Infact the only thing the trust can claim is they successfully hijacked the forums, and considering how bungled they were this would be sopmething personally I would hide rather than exrtoll!
Asfor the question how do we as fans get a voice - I think I am proof that you can be heard inspite of the trust! indeed they have tried everything they can to silence me and have failed spectacularly!
As for Supporters' Direct - you do realise they get that recognition by paying for membership - it isn't for free or did you think they got in by merit?
It's like saying a business must be good because it has an advert in the phone directory - these are paid for by the membership fees!
And also how is it that I have managed to correspond with the CEO of the football league directly? Surely you aren't claiming that was down to the trust are you?!
The trust would love people to think they are all we have - but they are wrong. What about the London supporter's groups, the Alan Higgs, The council ACL Bob Ainsworth. Now you might say so what, but at least Bob got ccfc raised in parliament - have the trust achieved this?
I at least have had acknowlegdgement from the FAQ, the FL, and #10 - They wont do anything, I wouldn't expect them to, but you seem to think that the trust are a panacea for all the clubs woes - this sadly they are not!
Just think about it for a moment. They have planned a protest tomorrow at the offices of sisu. Have they checked any of the sisu people are going to be there? Are the offices open? Have they arranged a meeting - or are they simply handing over an enveloipe to a security guard?
Surely a whole host of time money and effort could be saved by sending the questions by courier! It is going to be placed in the bin anyway!
One final thought before you continue to support these people. Did they actually manage to gat anyt concessions out of TF or sisu through the forums?
Did their questions get sisu to change their plans even in a minute way? If it did then what evidence is their? Certainly all it did was show how TF was utterly unmoved by the frustrations of those present!
You cannot rationalise with these kind of people Matt. They just will not listen. They will not go willingly, but the people you are defending just either do not get that, or refuse to believe it!
But hypothetically let's say sisu obtain the share - then what? Are the trust going to have talks with sisu? This would be totally against what they already voted! You will see then just how moral these people are.
Ultimately there is no point talking to sisu even if they get the share. They certainly wouldn't be going and you couldn't argue they listened to what you say could you!
No there is a time as a fan when you take a principled stance and stand by it come what may. After all if they do stay, then that is the start of the boycott.
For far too long the trust has tried to make itself appear the voice of the fans, then when they are called to action they freeze! These aren't the kind of people who should be leading the fans, I question if the fans need a leader at all! I definitely question whether it is necessary for self-elected group to represent the fans.
I mean if you cannot persuade 2 of your most ardent advocates to join, then you have a serious credibility problem!
And no manner of shouting down and insults is going to hide that truth for very long!
Let's not forget, before I raised their abject lack of effort there wasn't a single comment attacking the trust. All of a sudden they are being swamped!
Clearly I am not the only person who is fed up with their self publicity campaign. You claim you exist to help the club - start doing so or disband. The time for self publicity is long over - you stand up to be judged, then don't moan when you are judged!
Sure it is fine for Steve to represent himself, however like it or not as a member of the board they put themselves up for criticism when they take that role on. If you do not like that then resign - it's pretty simple!
By the same token if a politician does something illegal or immoral is the publics reaction - oh well that is just them? No on the contrary the opponents of that person's party use it as a weapon against that particular party! Maybe it's not fair, maybe even it's not right, but it is the reality. Certainly if they want to be in a position of authority they should expect a heck of a lot more than that!
So when this Steve comes to forums declairing himself a member of the trust, then his words must surely reflect those of the trust, otherwise when he speaks he shouldn't say he is part of the trust!
Ditto when they go on the radio, if they do not want their views to be associated with the trustm, then you shouldn't go out of your way to say you are part of the trust then - this is just common sense!
Craig is absolutely correct. When you defend the trust, when you say they have done so much, then surely it is fair comment to ask what precisely have they done for the club?
Public appearences (on radio and media) - have raised the profile of the trust, but how has that benefitted the club Matt? Have their publicity stunts put more bums on seats? Or brought new investors into the club?
Joe & the Hoff have, so they can at least be qualified in saying they have done something for the club!
Maybe you can share their successes, as getting on sky blues interactive, appearing on TV wearing a t-shirt with the trust logo on might be considered a success for the trust but it is not repeat not any good for the club - which after all they claim is their sole concern (at least they used to)!
Indeed I released to the world first that the league had confirmed the ltd were the club - hours before the trust did! I have written to as many peoiple - if not more than the trust have! I wouldn't claim any successes - so how can the trust possibly claim any?
Infact the only thing the trust can claim is they successfully hijacked the forums, and considering how bungled they were this would be sopmething personally I would hide rather than exrtoll!
Asfor the question how do we as fans get a voice - I think I am proof that you can be heard inspite of the trust! indeed they have tried everything they can to silence me and have failed spectacularly!
As for Supporters' Direct - you do realise they get that recognition by paying for membership - it isn't for free or did you think they got in by merit?
It's like saying a business must be good because it has an advert in the phone directory - these are paid for by the membership fees!
And also how is it that I have managed to correspond with the CEO of the football league directly? Surely you aren't claiming that was down to the trust are you?!
The trust would love people to think they are all we have - but they are wrong. What about the London supporter's groups, the Alan Higgs, The council ACL Bob Ainsworth. Now you might say so what, but at least Bob got ccfc raised in parliament - have the trust achieved this?
I at least have had acknowlegdgement from the FAQ, the FL, and #10 - They wont do anything, I wouldn't expect them to, but you seem to think that the trust are a panacea for all the clubs woes - this sadly they are not!
Just think about it for a moment. They have planned a protest tomorrow at the offices of sisu. Have they checked any of the sisu people are going to be there? Are the offices open? Have they arranged a meeting - or are they simply handing over an enveloipe to a security guard?
Surely a whole host of time money and effort could be saved by sending the questions by courier! It is going to be placed in the bin anyway!
One final thought before you continue to support these people. Did they actually manage to gat anyt concessions out of TF or sisu through the forums?
Did their questions get sisu to change their plans even in a minute way? If it did then what evidence is their? Certainly all it did was show how TF was utterly unmoved by the frustrations of those present!
You cannot rationalise with these kind of people Matt. They just will not listen. They will not go willingly, but the people you are defending just either do not get that, or refuse to believe it!
But hypothetically let's say sisu obtain the share - then what? Are the trust going to have talks with sisu? This would be totally against what they already voted! You will see then just how moral these people are.
Ultimately there is no point talking to sisu even if they get the share. They certainly wouldn't be going and you couldn't argue they listened to what you say could you!
No there is a time as a fan when you take a principled stance and stand by it come what may. After all if they do stay, then that is the start of the boycott.
For far too long the trust has tried to make itself appear the voice of the fans, then when they are called to action they freeze! These aren't the kind of people who should be leading the fans, I question if the fans need a leader at all! I definitely question whether it is necessary for self-elected group to represent the fans.
I mean if you cannot persuade 2 of your most ardent advocates to join, then you have a serious credibility problem!
And no manner of shouting down and insults is going to hide that truth for very long!
Let's not forget, before I raised their abject lack of effort there wasn't a single comment attacking the trust. All of a sudden they are being swamped!
Clearly I am not the only person who is fed up with their self publicity campaign. You claim you exist to help the club - start doing so or disband. The time for self publicity is long over - you stand up to be judged, then don't moan when you are judged!
Nonleagueherewecome
Well-Known Member
Dedication to a lost cause the likes of which have never been seen...where do you find the time?!?!
Nick
Administrator
I said I had got the yes or no one but there was no in between or discussion, I am all for helping make a change but only if I think it will make a difference, Fisher.keeps saying they are going nowhere, I am not saying I agree with anything but surely the trust should be trying to find out their intentions and being the union for the fans?
Will take your advice Paul, happy to stand up and take the flack, especially if it means you leave my colleagues alone.
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Nonleagueherewecome
Well-Known Member
I think they tried dialogue and got absolutely nowhere.
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
Come on answer the Questions you've been asked? stop getting around it by posting the same comments time and time again just like TF did at his forums so it is alright for you to criticize but expect none back alright for your mate Craig to threaten people but complain that you have been threatened come on answer these questions I will not go away just like that rash around your genitals.
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
Simon I believe you have hit the nail on the head he now has to threaten you instead of debating on here what do you expect from PSGM1 and his army of SAS followers.
He is right no one has done nothing that is why we are in this mess shame we couldn't have stuck together and let this testosterone loose on Sisu oh well maybe next time.
He is right no one has done nothing that is why we are in this mess shame we couldn't have stuck together and let this testosterone loose on Sisu oh well maybe next time.
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
PSGM! You dont even read your own posts do you. You dont claim any credit and then claim credit which one is it? Yes you did get a reply from the FL but how come YOU got one when all the other people on here that also emailed the FL didnt I emailed them over 50 times so how did you get a reply?????
CRAIG
This dangerous job youve got, stop giving samples of your goods to PSGM1 they'e scrambling his brain. Also thinly veiled threats on a forum aren't clever even if you consider them to be. You and your friend are part of the problem a big part you sow the seeds of division and if this forum is representative of the whole fanbase then no wonder we are fucked.
CRAIG
This dangerous job youve got, stop giving samples of your goods to PSGM1 they'e scrambling his brain. Also thinly veiled threats on a forum aren't clever even if you consider them to be. You and your friend are part of the problem a big part you sow the seeds of division and if this forum is representative of the whole fanbase then no wonder we are fucked.
letsallsingtogether
Well-Known Member
:claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands:
Is that a threat?
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
Question
How many times have people who are members of the trust not just those on the board asked people to join and actively participate? Theyve even said if you dont like the way its run change it. To those who are Trust members who say its changed since its rebirth Ive got news for you the situation has changed. Tim Fisher has said "I dont give a damn what you want I'm doing this" Well this is The Sky Blue Trust not The SISU Trust,The Joy Trust Or The Fisher Trust. So now we know for sure that these parasites are still in charge proves theres no God,what are we going to do?
1. Ignore whats gone on and contiue as normal and wait till the life support is switched off
2. Give up
3. Fight the bastards:thinking about:
Me:slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue:
How many times have people who are members of the trust not just those on the board asked people to join and actively participate? Theyve even said if you dont like the way its run change it. To those who are Trust members who say its changed since its rebirth Ive got news for you the situation has changed. Tim Fisher has said "I dont give a damn what you want I'm doing this" Well this is The Sky Blue Trust not The SISU Trust,The Joy Trust Or The Fisher Trust. So now we know for sure that these parasites are still in charge proves theres no God,what are we going to do?
1. Ignore whats gone on and contiue as normal and wait till the life support is switched off
2. Give up
3. Fight the bastards:thinking about:
Me:slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::slap::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue::blue:
Covcraig@bury
Well-Known Member
Can I make this quite clear . It's not a threat, it's a invitation to discuse face to face , man to man, ( if he is ) any issues he has with myself, clear the air not on a public forum .
Covcraig@bury
Well-Known Member
To all people associated on here with the Trust. Could anyone please tell me what the Trust have actually achieved/done ,or should I ask Tim Fisher as he also avoids giving straight answers.
Nick
Administrator
So face to face, man to man, you want to kiss him?
