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Evo1883

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,066
clint van damme said:
Desperate stuff digging out a substitution against Forest green really.

As I said, hes not infallible, but our overall problems are nothing to do with subs in L1 or the Swansea game even if they were errors on the managers part.
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There is also the complete ignoring of substitutions that have won us games or changed games .. it's a bizarre obsession
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,067
@Grendel if you think yesterday's team was not good enough to beat a non league side then you must surely think that Robins is doing an absolutely incredible job to get such a squad to midtable in the championship.

Oh.

Can't have it both ways.
 

Nick

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,068
clint van damme said:
Desperate stuff digging out a substitution against Forest green really.

As I said, hes not infallible, but our overall problems are nothing to do with subs in L1 or the Swansea game even if they were errors on the managers part.
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It's not desperate, its one of his weaknesses as it's been an issue regardless of the league we are in.

He gets away with it though because "hands are tied".
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,069
PVA said:
Exactly this.

The same people that shout for more subs every week are the same people raging at his team selection yesterday

It's been happening since our first season back in the league. Yes let's bring on Jordon Thompson, Dacosta and Shipley to change the game.
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I think generally gets the subs right. Yesterday's team was totally wrong.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 8, 2023
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PVA said:
Yes because it was clearly good enough to win the game.

That it didn't is on them, not Robins.
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It really wasn't good enough, as proved by the result.
 

Nick

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,071
PVA said:
@Grendel if you think yesterday's team was not good enough to beat a non league side then you must surely think that Robins is doing an absolutely incredible job to get such a squad to midtable in the championship.

Oh.

Can't have it both ways.
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Old recruitment team to blame?

On paper it should have been good enough, within 10 minutes it was obvious it was only going one way.

Some games we have had waghorn, walker and kane on the bench. Who signed them all on decent wages to then bomb them off?

Let's hope with the new recruitment bloke that doesn't happen.
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,072
Deleted member 9744 said:
It really wasn't good enough, as proved by the result.
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On paper it clearly was, not even debatable.

Whether it worked or not is a different question.

But on paper 5 changes to a championship side is more than good enough to beat a non league side.
 

pusbccfc

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,073
shepardo01 said:
Incidentally, West Brom made 11 changes from their previous Championship starting line up.
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I'd imagine their squad depth is very strong? Must be players on 15k+ a week on their bench?
 

Nick

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,074
pusbccfc said:
I'd imagine their squad depth is very strong? Must be players on 15k+ a week on their bench?
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Like waghorn?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,075
Easy game this management business , viveash and Robins get their heads together on that sideline both with years of proffesional football experience and get the subs wrong all the time .

Mental they're still employed
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,076
Nick said:
It's not desperate, its one of his weaknesses as it's been an issue regardless of the league we are in.

He gets away with it though because "hands are tied".
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Hes not getting away with anything, it's hilighting that his mistakes aren't the biggest issue at the club.

Some of us pointed out what was going on after last Januarys window.

You were calling for Robins head yesterday, you're mad if you think anyonesgoing to do better without proper Championship level investment.
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,077
Evo1883 said:
Easy game this management business , viveash and Robins get their heads together on that sideline both with years of proffesional football experience and get the subs wrong all the time .

Mental they're still employed
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And get a squad that apparently isn't good enough to beat a non league side to midtable in the championship... But still don't know what they're doing
 

alexccfc99

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,078
Yesterday needs to mark the line in the sand of the end of the SISU era

As of this week - fresh slate, new owner, new signings and kick on
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,079
Nick said:
Like waghorn?
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Or Taveres on probably 1/2k and Burroughs even less?
 
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rexo87

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,080
Grendel said:
we’d have won t gane easily if hamer Allen and Gyokeres started the game

Fair enough if he decided to rest then but we could have looked at other things

Dabo had no movement at all so he could easily have started Kane in that game who could have hogged the right wing and fired balls into an extremely suspect keeper - Dabo was no use whatsoever

Burroughs is not a wing back at all and seems incapable of running down the line even when in a favoured left position

A midfield 3 of Kelly palmer and sheaf is asking for trouble - when the opposition have possession the ability to recover is nil. Then they moved wide and neither wing back could prevent crosses or giving away fouls

If he’s not wanting to win the game fair enough but then bringing on Allen and Hamer so late was a nonsense decision

He didn’t react quick enough and started with a formation inviting trouble
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Thought you said it was a glorified friendly?

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pusbccfc

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,081
Nick said:
It's not desperate, its one of his weaknesses as it's been an issue regardless of the league we are in.

He gets away with it though because "hands are tied".
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I definitely agree with his game management. I believe that's why he's not been poached from a PL club. For all the incredible work he's done under extremely tough circumstances, his weaknesses are evident.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,082
clint van damme said:
Hes not getting away with anything, it's hilighting that his mistakes aren't the biggest issue at the club.

Some of us pointed out what was going on after last Januarys window.

You were calling for Robins head yesterday, you're mad if you think anyonesgoing to do better without proper Championship level investment.
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Because there was no excuse for yesterday. Against strong championship teams, of course.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,083
pusbccfc said:
I definitely agree with his game management. I believe that's why he's not been poached from a PL club. For all the incredible work he's done under extremely tough circumstances, his weaknesses are evident.
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How many points did we get last season in the last 10 minutes and injury time? How does that fit in to the poor game management narrative?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,084
clint van damme said:
How many points did we get last season in the last 10 minutes and injury time? How does that fit in to the poor game management narrative?
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It doesn't, it never will , year on year improvement too with thread bare squads..

But whatever , we move on
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 8, 2023
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Evo1883 said:
Most fans have been asking for Tavares to get a game , yesterday was the perfect game to test tavares , and also a perfect chance to rest Vik , id have probably gone sheaf and allen in midfield but again allen has played alot of minutes so another opportunity to rest , its also an opportunity to try get dabo some game time and get him more towards match fitness , which he just doesnt appear to be , there's an awful lot of hindsight merchants in here , FACT - that team should be beating non league wrexham .

Unfortunately football throws us lots of curve balls
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You can make some changes but not all of them. Yes maybe try Tavares or Waghorn but not both. Maybe drop Hamer or Allen but not both. Give Dabo a game, or Kelly to get them fit but playing both was a disaster waiting to happen. Add to that bringing in a keeper with no confidence and you really aren't ready to tackle a team who are totally up for the match.

We could have got away with a few changes but not all of these. I just don't get why Robins felt he needed to do this. No midweek match to come this week, loss of income from a potential cup run and loss of confidence from a defeat. Seems really unprofessional to me.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,086
Deleted member 9744 said:
You can make some changes but not all of them. Yes maybe try Tavares or Waghorn but not both. Maybe drop Hamer or Allen but not both. Give Dabo a game, or Kelly to get them fit but playing both was a disaster waiting to happen. Add to that bringing in a keeper with no confidence and you really aren't ready to tackle a team who are totally up for the match.

We could have got away with a few changes but not all of these. I just don't get why Robins felt he needed to do this. No midweek match to come this week, loss of income from a potential cup run and loss of confidence from a defeat. Seems really unprofessional to me.
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The keepers been out for months and probably is one of the ones Robins was referring to about knocking on his door , if his confidence isn't sorted already he doesn't belong at the club .

This post is the perfect (in hindsight ) example , apologies ..

We should have scored 3 or 4 before half time ourselves
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,087
clint van damme said:
How many points did we get last season in the last 10 minutes and injury time? How does that fit in to the poor game management narrative?
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One season out of 6/7? His in-game management wasn't great in his first stint.

He doesn't take risks. There's some managers in the Championship that would have had put Doyle, Kane and Gyökeres on in the first half yesterday. When Taveras went off, he should have pulled Dabo. It was clear as day 20 minutes in that it wasn't working.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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PVA said:
And get a squad that apparently isn't good enough to beat a non league side to midtable in the championship... But still don't know what they're doing
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He's a good manager but everyone makes mistakes sometimes. He's not infallible.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,089
Nick said:
We have had some benches this season probably on more money than the first 11.

Is the old recruitment team to blame?

Fgr at home in league 2, from memory it was nil nil and be brings on another defensive midfielder rather than try and win.
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he brought shipley and ponticelli on in that one
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,090
pusbccfc said:
One season out of 6/7? His in-game management wasn't great in his first stint.

He doesn't take risks. There's some managers in the Championship that would have had put Doyle, Kane and Gyökeres on in the first half yesterday. When Taveras went off, he should have pulled Dabo. It was clear as day 20 minutes in that it wasn't working.
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Really ? His in game management was exceptional when we won promotion from league 1 , we lost 3 matches .

He kept us up first championship season, then proceeded to take us mid table , all these things involve good in game management ?
 
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Otis

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,091
Evo1883 said:
The keepers been out for months and probably is one of the ones Robins was referring to about knocking on his door , if his confidence isn't sorted already he doesn't belong at the club .

This post is the perfect (in hindsight ) example , apologies ..

We should have scored 3 or 4 before half time ourselves
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Definitely could have had at least 2 and their second goal was a fluke
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 8, 2023
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Evo1883 said:
The keepers been out for months and probably is one of the ones Robins was referring to about knocking on his door , if his confidence isn't sorted already he doesn't belong at the club .

This post is the perfect (in hindsight ) example , apologies ..

We should have scored 3 or 4 before half time ourselves
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If you look back through the post I was saying this before the match. I feared we would be complacent and underestimate them and that's exactly what happened.
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 8, 2023
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Deleted member 9744 said:
If you look back through the post I was saying this before the match. I feared we would be complacent and underestimate them and that's exactly what happened.
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Well fair play , have to say I along with many thought there was simply enough there to win
 
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Otis

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  • Jan 8, 2023
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Deleted member 9744 said:
If you look back through the post I was saying this before the match. I feared we would be complacent and underestimate them and that's exactly what happened.
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I don't think we did. We were just useless in the air against their aerial threat. I don't think he could have done much different in that back line. Our heading and jumping for headers was just atrocious
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 8, 2023
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pusbccfc said:
One season out of 6/7? His in-game management wasn't great in his first stint.

He doesn't take risks. There's some managers in the Championship that would have had put Doyle, Kane and Gyökeres on in the first half yesterday. When Taveras went off, he should have pulled Dabo. It was clear as day 20 minutes in that it wasn't working.
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He's had 5 full seasons, won an incredible amount of points in the latter stages of games last season, kept a piss poor squad up comfortably the season before that and won the league the season before that!
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 8, 2023
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Otis said:
Definitely could have had at least 2 and their second goal was a fluke
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If we'd started with a strong team we could have been well ahead by half time and then taken players off early second half.

We can say we were unlucky and yes we were to an extent but I feel we got what we deserved by underestimating Wrexham, and thinking we could win regardless of our approach. I feel attitude is often more important than talent in football and yesterday we didn't enter the game with the right attitude. Our complacency showed in the lack of challenge by Panzo and Rose for those headers. It was clear Wrexham wanted it more than we did. So they deserved to win and good luck to them.
 
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SheafIsGod

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,097
Robins is out of his depth and tactically inept at this level - as he’s proved several times at several different clubs. If we’re serious about getting out of this league he has to go
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 8, 2023
  • #2,098
SheafIsGod said:
Robins is out of his depth and tactically inept at this level - as he’s proved several times at several different clubs. If we’re serious about getting out of this league he has to go
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Think it's time to mute you really tbh
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 8, 2023
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Also worth noting that Wrexham made changes too and their fans were not happy with their starting lineup.

5 or 6 changes to a championship side against a non league side making 3 or 4 changes, the championship team is good enough to win. Fact.
 
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David O'Day

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SheafIsGod said:
Robins is out of his depth and tactically inept at this level - as he’s proved several times at several different clubs. If we’re serious about getting out of this league he has to go
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who's alt is this?
 
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