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Would you sell Rudoni? (35 Viewers)

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CCFCAnalysis

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  • Today at 1:36 PM
  • #106
TomRad85 said:
Our aim to get out if the division. We are competing with them.
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no, our aim is to finish in the top 6, 3 out of 5 seasons. Even if we get in the top 6, we've got an approx 20% chance of going up
 
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TomRad85

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  • Today at 1:39 PM
  • #107
CCFCAnalysis said:
no, our aim is to finish in the top 6, 3 out of 5 seasons. Even if we get in the top 6, we've got an approx 20% chance of going up
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We aren't aiming to finish in the top 6 for the sake of it ffs, there is an end game to that.
We have to compete with at least one of the 3 relegated teams to stand a chance of going up. Based on last season, Southampton were the weakest.
Huge brain move to strengthen them with our best player.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 1:40 PM
  • #108
TomRad85 said:
We aren't aiming to finish in the top 6 for the sake of it ffs, there is an end game to that.
We have to compete with at least one of the 3 relegated teams to stand a chance of going up. Based on last season, Southampton were the weakest.
Huge brain move to strengthen them with our best player.
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Its mental.

If we end up in the top 2 we aren't going to say our aim was the playoffs so we will drop out.
 

TomRad85

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  • Today at 1:43 PM
  • #109
Ccfcisparks said:
Its mental.

If we end up in the top 2 we aren't going to say our aim was the playoffs so we will drop out.
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I'll be honest, I don't think the club will do this as I don't think they'd be so stupid.
If a Prem team comes in he'll be gone but it's perfectly acceptable to tell the player you aren't selling to a league rival and I think you'd have to have a low opinion of Rudoni to think he'd kick off about that.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 1:45 PM
  • #110
quinn1971 said:
Looks like we’ve priced rudoni and MVE out of moves, well done Doug
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Good. If a team isn't meeting our valuation for a player then we shouldn't sell.

If a team is only willing to pay £6m for MVE or £15m for Rudoni, I'd genuinely rather take the punt on going up this year and keep them. Reminds me when Celtic wanted to pay us £375k for Westwood and (at the time) we believed we're competing for the playoffs...
 
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CCFCAnalysis

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  • Today at 1:46 PM
  • #111
you guys need a dose of reality.

We were 31 pts behind 2 parachute clubs last season (we were closer to relegation , 20 pts )

26 and 33 behind 2 the year before (+ Ipswich thrown in, like Birmingham could be this year) (14pts to relegation)

21 and 31 behind 2 parachutes the year before that (26 pts to relegation)

You try and get in the play-offs, and hope you luck out like Luton and Sunderland
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 1:47 PM
  • #112
CCFCAnalysis said:
you guys need a dose of reality.

We were 31 pts behind 2 parachute clubs last season (we were closer to relegation , 20 pts )

26 and 33 behind 2 the year before (+ Ipswich thrown in, like Birmingham could be this year) (14pts to relegation)

21 and 31 behind 2 parachutes the year before that (26 pts to relegation)

You try and get in the play-offs, and hope you luck out like Luton and Sunderland
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How did Ipswich manage it?
 
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TomRad85

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  • Today at 1:48 PM
  • #113
CCFCAnalysis said:
you guys need a dose of reality.

We were 31 pts behind 2 parachute clubs last season (we were closer to relegation , 20 pts )

26 and 33 behind 2 the year before (+ Ipswich thrown in, like Birmingham could be this year) (14pts to relegation)

21 and 31 behind 2 parachutes the year before that (26 pts to relegation)

You try and get in the play-offs, and hope you luck out like Luton and Sunderland
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Buzzing when Rudoni knocks us out the play offs but we can say we made a good profit.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Today at 1:49 PM
  • #114
CCFCAnalysis said:
you guys need a dose of reality.

We were 31 pts behind 2 parachute clubs last season (we were closer to relegation , 20 pts )

26 and 33 behind 2 the year before (+ Ipswich thrown in, like Birmingham could be this year) (14pts to relegation)

21 and 31 behind 2 parachutes the year before that (26 pts to relegation)

You try and get in the play-offs, and hope you luck out like Luton and Sunderland
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I agree but if we finish 5th or 6th chances are we are going to have to play either a parachute team or a Birmingham.

In that case, let’s not strengthen them by selling them our best player especially so late that we don’t get to meaningful spend the profit to strengthen ourselves
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 1:49 PM
  • #115
CCFCAnalysis said:
you guys need a dose of reality.

We were 31 pts behind 2 parachute clubs last season (we were closer to relegation , 20 pts )

26 and 33 behind 2 the year before (+ Ipswich thrown in, like Birmingham could be this year) (14pts to relegation)

21 and 31 behind 2 parachutes the year before that (26 pts to relegation)

You try and get in the play-offs, and hope you luck out like Luton and Sunderland
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We got more points than Sheff U after Xmas last season and including Lampard's tenure we were close to Sheff U, only 3-6 points behind. There is room to improve the squad but it's not as drastic as you say here. Both last season and 23/24 was mired by v slow starts.
 

TomRad85

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  • Today at 1:52 PM
  • #116
Mucca Mad Boys said:
We got more points than Sheff U after Xmas last season and including Lampard's tenure we were close to Sheff U, only 3-6 points behind. There is room to improve the squad but it's not as drastic as you say here. Both last season and 23/24 was mired by v slow starts.
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Don't forget it only takes one season of fucking up the immediate return to suddenly get marooned here again. Sheffield United already look a shadow of what they were last season.
Should be aiming to pull teams back towards us rather than give them a leg up.
 
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CCFCAnalysis

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  • Today at 1:52 PM
  • #117
Ccfcisparks said:
How did Ipswich manage it?
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money and momentum
 

CCFCAnalysis

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  • Today at 1:53 PM
  • #118
TomRad85 said:
Don't forget it only takes one season of fucking up the immediate return to suddenly get marooned here again. Sheffield United already look a shadow of what they were last season.
Should be aiming to pull teams back towards us rather than give them a leg up.
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you get another 3 come down every season
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 1:54 PM
  • #119
CCFCAnalysis said:
money and momentum
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How much did they spend in their championship season?
 

TomRad85

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  • Today at 1:55 PM
  • #120
CCFCAnalysis said:
you get another 3 come down every season
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No shit.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 1:56 PM
  • #121
Sky Blue Goblin said:
I agree but if we finish 5th or 6th chances are we are going to have to play either a parachute team or a Birmingham.

In that case, let’s not strengthen them by selling them our best player especially so late that we don’t get to meaningful spend the profit to strengthen ourselves
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I don't buy the Blues nor Wrexham hype yet.

TomRad85 said:
Don't forget it only takes one season of fucking up the immediate return to suddenly get marooned here again. Sheffield United already look a shadow of what they were last season.
Should be aiming to pull teams back towards us rather than give them a leg up.
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The idea we'll sell Rudoni to Southampton is not credible imo. They probably do want him but is it a move Rudoni will be desperate for? Probably not.

If Rudoni improves on last season's performance, a better Prem team will come in for him than Southampton (presuming they went up). So his best bet is to stick it out with us for one more year.
 
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CCFCAnalysis

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  • Today at 1:57 PM
  • #122
Ccfcisparks said:
How much did they spend in their championship season?
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6million net, + 5 loans that we would never be able to afford. + high spending the league before in League one + substantially higher salary budget than us.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 1:59 PM
  • #123
CCFCAnalysis said:
6million net, + 5 loans that we would never be able to afford. + high spending the league before in League one + substantially higher salary budget than us.
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They had a negative net spend in league 1?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Today at 1:59 PM
  • #124
CCFCAnalysis said:
money and momentum
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Our squad is one of the most expensive in the league, even with the money Blues and others have chucked about. 4 of those teams are parachute payment teams and Norwich who had built up a squad who attracted massive fees from their parachute payments/Prem days.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Today at 2:00 PM
  • #125
We should sell Wright to Ipswich and MvE to Leicester just to make extra sure we have no chance whatsoever.
 
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CCFCAnalysis

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  • Today at 2:02 PM
  • #126
Ccfcisparks said:
They had a negative net spend in league 1?
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they didn't.
 

CCFCAnalysis

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  • Today at 2:02 PM
  • #127
TomRad85 said:
We should sell Wright to Ipswich and MvE to Leicester just to make extra sure we have no chance whatsoever.
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if the money is right that's exactly what we should do.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 2:03 PM
  • #128
CCFCAnalysis said:
they didn't.
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Just reading now, internet says they did. What was their net spend by your calculations?
 

peteCCFC

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  • Today at 2:03 PM
  • #129
Depends if he's that desperate for the extra 10 grand a week like the Fat Rat and the Solihull Supermodel were.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Today at 2:03 PM
  • #130
CCFCAnalysis said:
if the money is right that's exactly what we should do.
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Reckon there's anyone Birmingham might want? I'll get on the blower to Wagner.
 

CCFCAnalysis

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  • Today at 2:07 PM
  • #131
Ccfcisparks said:
Just reading now, internet says they did. What was their net spend by your calculations?
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you're taking Transfermarkt figures. Which doesn't include Harry Clarke, Broadhead, etc
 

CCFCAnalysis

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  • Today at 2:08 PM
  • #132
peteCCFC said:
Depends if he's that desperate for the extra 10 grand a week like the Fat Rat and the Solihull Supermodel were.
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are you turning down a 100% payrise?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 2:08 PM
  • #133
CCFCAnalysis said:
you're taking Transfermarkt figures. Which doesn't include Harry Clarke, Broadhead, etc
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Im reading Swiss Ramble actually.

Clarke only cost £1m and Broadhead £1.5m didn't they? Hardly that significant spend.
 

CCFCAnalysis

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  • Today at 2:16 PM
  • #134
Ccfcisparks said:
Im reading Swiss Ramble actually.

Clarke only cost £1m and Broadhead £1.5m didn't they? Hardly that significant
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salary too. The point was like that year, we've got loaded promoted clubs to compete with too
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Today at 2:26 PM
  • #135
I think we should sell all our players so Doug can swim around in gold coins like Scrooge McDuck
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Today at 2:27 PM
  • #136
SeaSeeEffCee said:
I think we should sell all our players so Doug can swim around in gold coins like Scrooge McDuck
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Meanwhile at the CBS…
 

shmmeee

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  • Today at 2:35 PM
  • #137
CCFCAnalysis said:
because we're not competing with them. We're competing with Norwich, WBA, Boro and the like.

You give yourself the best chance you can of finishing in the top 6 and then fingers crossed. If that means flogging Rudoni to a top 2 side, so you can reinvest, then so be it.
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We will never get promoted with this mindset. We have to be competitive with 3rd/4th to win the PlayOffs. “Fingers crossed” it’s not a lottery. Generally the better teams win.
 
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CCFCAnalysis

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  • Today at 2:40 PM
  • #138
shmmeee said:
We will never get promoted with this mindset. We have to be competitive with 3rd/4th to win the PlayOffs. “Fingers crossed” it’s not a lottery. Generally the better teams win.
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Sunderland? Luton?


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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Today at 2:41 PM
  • #139
CCFCAnalysis said:
Sunderland? Luton?


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Sunderland finished 4th and Luton finished 3rd.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 2:43 PM
  • #140
CCFCAnalysis said:
because we're not competing with them. We're competing with Norwich, WBA, Boro and the like.

You give yourself the best chance you can of finishing in the top 6 and then fingers crossed. If that means flogging Rudoni to a top 2 side, so you can reinvest, then so be it.
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From Rudoni’s perspective the only real difference is money, it amounts to being in the same league this season either way. He will be in the top flight next season one way or the other, there is no strong footballing reason to insist on the move.
 
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