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  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jul 1, 2020
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #1
Wasn't really sure where to post this latest JP outburst as it would fit in some many recent threads.....

...so fuck it, i'll just drop it here.

 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #2
I don't really know who he is but he has it bang on!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #3
I really hate the hijacking of 'the left' by the SJW types who open up the rest of us to straw man arguments.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #4
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I really hate the hijacking of 'the left' by the SJW types who open up the rest of us to straw man arguments.
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Agreed. The irony is that it’s pushing many natural supporters of the left away from left leaning parties. A point I made in the RLB thread.

Listening to Douglas Murray’s ‘Madness of Crowds’ on Audible and it’s been a very insightful read. It exposes the complete doublethink at the heart of intersectionality and critical theory.

I’ll sum up these ‘academic’ fields in one anecdote:

These academics ‘hoaxed’ Journal of Women and Social Work by submitting 20 papers that used excerpts from Mein Kampf (adapted for the audience), 7 of the papers were published.

You honestly do not know whether to laugh or cry at these kinds of stories.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #5
Nick said:
I don't really know who he is but he has it bang on!
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He has a lot of good content and his comedy stuff isn’t bad either!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #6
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Agreed. The irony is that it’s pushing many natural supporters of the left away from left leaning parties. A point I made in the RLB thread.

Listening to Douglas Murray’s ‘Madness of Crowds’ on Audible and it’s been a very insightful read. It exposes the complete doublethink at the heart of intersectionality and critical theory.

I’ll sum up these ‘academic’ fields in one anecdote:

These academics ‘hoaxed’ Journal of Women and Social Work by submitting 20 papers that used excerpts from Mein Kampf (adapted for the audience), 7 of the papers were published.

You honestly do not know whether to laugh or cry at these kinds of stories.
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On my PGCE a couple of years ago I had concerns about how to quote students and colleagues in my essays because I didn't have a way to show proof they had said or done something. I was assured that 'nobody checks it in social sciences, you can just make it up and fit to suit'. Bit of a culture shock coming in from a field where you had to provide evidence that room temperature was what you said it was!
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #7
This bloke is spot on.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #8
All Blair’s fault i tells ya. Force half the population to Uni when they aren’t smart enough for the sciences and you get an explosion in feminist theory and cultural appropriation degrees. Now we’ve got to pretend they’re as valid.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #9
This one is even more bang on.

and this!

 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #10
shmmeee said:
All Blair’s fault i tells ya. Force half the population to Uni when they aren’t smart enough for the sciences and you get an explosion in feminist theory and cultural appropriation degrees. Now we’ve got to pretend they’re as valid.
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I agree the 50% of school students was and arbitrary number and no doubt that the inflation of students has increased the places for these degree programs.

But, this has been going on for a while, at least as far back as the 1960-70s in the US.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #11
Mucca Mad Boys said:
I agree the 50% of school students was and arbitrary number and no doubt that the inflation of students has increased the places for these degree programs.

But, this has been going on for a while, at least as far back as the 1960-70s in the US.
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I have seen some Yank commentators trace it back to post modernist stuff back then to be sure. And it’s a worldwide phenomenon so sadly probably not Tonty Blair behind this.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #12
Brighton Sky Blue said:
On my PGCE a couple of years ago I had concerns about how to quote students and colleagues in my essays because I didn't have a way to show proof they had said or done something. I was assured that 'nobody checks it in social sciences, you can just make it up and fit to suit'. Bit of a culture shock coming in from a field where you had to provide evidence that room temperature was what you said it was!
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Funnily enough, when you challenge those people on their claims, they get defensive very quickly. Typically with personal insults and/or defamation. ‘You’re a white Male’ is a favoured.

I remember a back and forth with a sociology major and Labour councillor in a politics seminar. We were having a back and forth, both us speaking over one another at times. She accuses me of mansplaining. Even the lecturer stepped in and said that’s not true. I had to google what this meant after the seminar.

The attitudes of some of these people is really, really ugly.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #13
Can we clarify what WOKE is these days? I know it originates from the civil rights movement in the US in the 60’s and is essentially black slang but these days it seems to be used as a put down by gammons to anyone who doesn’t agree with Katie Hopkins, doesn’t think brexit is a good idea, thinks criticism of the government means you hate England and would rather live in Italy etc etc.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #14
Ironic how it's straight about which side of politics is to blame
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #15
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Funnily enough, when you challenge those people on their claims, they get defensive very quickly. Typically with personal insults and/or defamation. ‘You’re a white Male’ is a favoured.

I remember a back and forth with a sociology major and Labour councillor in a politics seminar. We were having a back and forth, both us speaking over one another at times. She accuses me of mansplaining. Even the lecturer stepped in and said that’s not true. I had to google what this meant after the seminar.

The attitudes of some of these people is really, really ugly.
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It's how Steven Crowder has made a living making videos of triggering students on different campuses. There was one great moment where a student did one on him but for the most part it's helping to portray a narrative that everyone who opposes right wing ideas is a maniac SJW.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #16
skybluetony176 said:
Can we clarify what WOKE is these days? I know it originates from the civil rights movement in the US in the 60’s and is essentially black slang but these days it seems to be used as a put down by gammons to anyone who doesn’t agree with Katie Hopkins, doesn’t think brexit is a good idea, thinks criticism of the government means you hate England and would rather live in Italy etc etc.
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It’s overly conscious of social justice with a healthy dollop of religion style intolerance and witch-hunting.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #17
Woke is Brendan O'Neils favourite expression.
That's all you need to know.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #18
skybluetony176 said:
Can we clarify what WOKE is these days? I know it originates from the civil rights movement in the US in the 60’s and is essentially black slang but these days it seems to be used as a put down by gammons to anyone who doesn’t agree with Katie Hopkins, doesn’t think brexit is a good idea, thinks criticism of the government means you hate England and would rather live in Italy etc etc.
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You are right of course, and that's the problem that I've alluded to in another thread, that there's a branch of the anti-woke movement that is equally reactionary and lazy in its thinking and poor in its behaviour. It seems the more shrill one side gets, the more the other side gets louder, leaving us poor poor buggers in the centre (whether we sit on the left or right of that) almost dis-enfranchised.
 
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derbyskyblue

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #19
skybluetony176 said:
Can we clarify what WOKE is these days? I know it originates from the civil rights movement in the US in the 60’s and is essentially black slang but these days it seems to be used as a put down by gammons to anyone who doesn’t agree with Katie Hopkins, doesn’t think brexit is a good idea, thinks criticism of the government means you hate England and would rather live in Italy etc etc.
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Can somebody also clarify what a gammon is, seriously im too old for this shite...
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #20
Only had a chance to watch the first clip, but i breathed a sigh of relief. "Thank God", thought i, "i was beginning to think i was the only one who thought that"!
Thanks all, for your refreshing views!
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #21
Just checking that people realise Jonathan Pie is a spoof character? Some of the posts are making me wonder if thats registered with people!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #22
chiefdave said:
Just checking that people realise Jonathan Pie is a spoof character? Some of the posts are making me wonder if thats registered with people!
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It's a shame that Miranda's real and he isn't
 
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Nick

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #23
chiefdave said:
Just checking that people realise Jonathan Pie is a spoof character? Some of the posts are making me wonder if thats registered with people!
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Not fussed if he is or not, is making good points.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #25
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It's how Steven Crowder has made a living making videos of triggering students on different campuses. There was one great moment where a student did one on him but for the most part it's helping to portray a narrative that everyone who opposes right wing ideas is a maniac SJW.
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Firstly, what student did Crowder in? I’d like to see that! I’ve only seen a few of his ‘change my mind’ segments.

Steveb Crowder is pretty funny, I occasionally watch his show. But, he’s a comedian first and foremost as opposed to a serious political commentator.

The original pushback against intersectional and postmodern politics was from socialist and Marxists. Why? Because dividing society in an infinite way drew away from the bourgeoisie oppressor narrative. Now, Marxists do piggyback these arguments.

The pushback against this ideology comes from all sides of the political aisle. From the left, you have Bret Weinstein (Sander supporter). Centre, Jonathan Haidt and Fukuyama. Then the conservatives you have: Peterson, Shapiro, Murray et al.
 

hill83

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #26
Nick said:
Not fussed if he is or not, is making good points.
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So you didn't know.

LOL

 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #27
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I was assured that 'nobody checks it in social sciences, you can just make it up and fit to suit'.
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I can safely say that's not true
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #28
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Firstly, what student did Crowder in? I’d like to see that! I’ve only seen a few of his ‘change my mind’ segments.

Steveb Crowder is pretty funny, I occasionally watch his show. But, he’s a comedian first and foremost as opposed to a serious political commentator.

The original pushback against intersectional and postmodern politics was from socialist and Marxists. Why? Because dividing society in an infinite way drew away from the bourgeoisie oppressor narrative. Now, Marxists do piggyback these arguments.

The pushback against this ideology comes from all sides of the political aisle. From the left, you have Bret Weinstein (Sander supporter). Centre, Jonathan Haidt and Fukuyama. Then the conservatives you have: Peterson, Shapiro, Murray et al.
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Sit back and enjoy.

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #29
Deleted member 5849 said:
I can safely say that's not true
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The PGCE isn't renowned for its academic rigour in fairness NW
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #30
Nick said:
Ironic how it's straight about which side of politics is to blame
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The rise of the identity politics of the left frustrates me, a lot. The main reason being is that it has caused people to push back against this and assert their whIt’s identity. The result? Gradually increasing the vote shares of Trump in the US, the Front Nationals in France and similarly ugly far-right parties across Europe (among other factors).
 

Nick

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #31
hill83 said:
So you didn't know.

LOL

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Well it's pretty obvious he's not a real reporter.

Ali g had good ideas on immigration.
 

pipkin73

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #32
I was reading this till i heard the word Gammon. I've heard it before on here but i don't know what it is. It is obviously defamatory to some one but why? As for Gammon i love a nice Gammon steak with a runny egg, yum yum.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #33
Gammon, old meat, the elderly, as opposed to "I fancy some chicken".
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jul 1, 2020
  • #34
derbyskyblue said:
Can somebody also clarify what a gammon is, seriously im too old for this shite...
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Angry middle aged men that go apoplectic if you don’t want to nuke the world.

The Venn diagram of those that get really angry if politicians don’t want to nuke people and if they voted Leave may or may not be a single circle... (joke before anyone on here turns gammony)
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 2, 2020
  • #35
shmmeee said:
All Blair’s fault i tells ya. Force half the population to Uni when they aren’t smart enough for the sciences and you get an explosion in feminist theory and cultural appropriation degrees. Now we’ve got to pretend they’re as valid.
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Where was the forcing of university?
 
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