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Mucca Mad Boys

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I really hate the hijacking of 'the left' by the SJW types who open up the rest of us to straw man arguments.
Agreed. The irony is that it’s pushing many natural supporters of the left away from left leaning parties. A point I made in the RLB thread.

Listening to Douglas Murray’s ‘Madness of Crowds’ on Audible and it’s been a very insightful read. It exposes the complete doublethink at the heart of intersectionality and critical theory.

I’ll sum up these ‘academic’ fields in one anecdote:

These academics ‘hoaxed’ Journal of Women and Social Work by submitting 20 papers that used excerpts from Mein Kampf (adapted for the audience), 7 of the papers were published.

You honestly do not know whether to laugh or cry at these kinds of stories.
 

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Agreed. The irony is that it’s pushing many natural supporters of the left away from left leaning parties. A point I made in the RLB thread.

Listening to Douglas Murray’s ‘Madness of Crowds’ on Audible and it’s been a very insightful read. It exposes the complete doublethink at the heart of intersectionality and critical theory.

I’ll sum up these ‘academic’ fields in one anecdote:

These academics ‘hoaxed’ Journal of Women and Social Work by submitting 20 papers that used excerpts from Mein Kampf (adapted for the audience), 7 of the papers were published.

You honestly do not know whether to laugh or cry at these kinds of stories.
On my PGCE a couple of years ago I had concerns about how to quote students and colleagues in my essays because I didn't have a way to show proof they had said or done something. I was assured that 'nobody checks it in social sciences, you can just make it up and fit to suit'. Bit of a culture shock coming in from a field where you had to provide evidence that room temperature was what you said it was!
 

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This bloke is spot on.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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All Blair’s fault i tells ya. Force half the population to Uni when they aren’t smart enough for the sciences and you get an explosion in feminist theory and cultural appropriation degrees. Now we’ve got to pretend they’re as valid.
I agree the 50% of school students was and arbitrary number and no doubt that the inflation of students has increased the places for these degree programs.

But, this has been going on for a while, at least as far back as the 1960-70s in the US.
 

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I agree the 50% of school students was and arbitrary number and no doubt that the inflation of students has increased the places for these degree programs.

But, this has been going on for a while, at least as far back as the 1960-70s in the US.
I have seen some Yank commentators trace it back to post modernist stuff back then to be sure. And it’s a worldwide phenomenon so sadly probably not Tonty Blair behind this.
 
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On my PGCE a couple of years ago I had concerns about how to quote students and colleagues in my essays because I didn't have a way to show proof they had said or done something. I was assured that 'nobody checks it in social sciences, you can just make it up and fit to suit'. Bit of a culture shock coming in from a field where you had to provide evidence that room temperature was what you said it was!
Funnily enough, when you challenge those people on their claims, they get defensive very quickly. Typically with personal insults and/or defamation. ‘You’re a white Male’ is a favoured.

I remember a back and forth with a sociology major and Labour councillor in a politics seminar. We were having a back and forth, both us speaking over one another at times. She accuses me of mansplaining. Even the lecturer stepped in and said that’s not true. I had to google what this meant after the seminar.

The attitudes of some of these people is really, really ugly.
 

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Can we clarify what WOKE is these days? I know it originates from the civil rights movement in the US in the 60’s and is essentially black slang but these days it seems to be used as a put down by gammons to anyone who doesn’t agree with Katie Hopkins, doesn’t think brexit is a good idea, thinks criticism of the government means you hate England and would rather live in Italy etc etc.
 

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Funnily enough, when you challenge those people on their claims, they get defensive very quickly. Typically with personal insults and/or defamation. ‘You’re a white Male’ is a favoured.

I remember a back and forth with a sociology major and Labour councillor in a politics seminar. We were having a back and forth, both us speaking over one another at times. She accuses me of mansplaining. Even the lecturer stepped in and said that’s not true. I had to google what this meant after the seminar.

The attitudes of some of these people is really, really ugly.
It's how Steven Crowder has made a living making videos of triggering students on different campuses. There was one great moment where a student did one on him but for the most part it's helping to portray a narrative that everyone who opposes right wing ideas is a maniac SJW.
 

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Can we clarify what WOKE is these days? I know it originates from the civil rights movement in the US in the 60’s and is essentially black slang but these days it seems to be used as a put down by gammons to anyone who doesn’t agree with Katie Hopkins, doesn’t think brexit is a good idea, thinks criticism of the government means you hate England and would rather live in Italy etc etc.
It’s overly conscious of social justice with a healthy dollop of religion style intolerance and witch-hunting.
 

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Can we clarify what WOKE is these days? I know it originates from the civil rights movement in the US in the 60’s and is essentially black slang but these days it seems to be used as a put down by gammons to anyone who doesn’t agree with Katie Hopkins, doesn’t think brexit is a good idea, thinks criticism of the government means you hate England and would rather live in Italy etc etc.
You are right of course, and that's the problem that I've alluded to in another thread, that there's a branch of the anti-woke movement that is equally reactionary and lazy in its thinking and poor in its behaviour. It seems the more shrill one side gets, the more the other side gets louder, leaving us poor poor buggers in the centre (whether we sit on the left or right of that) almost dis-enfranchised.
 
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Can we clarify what WOKE is these days? I know it originates from the civil rights movement in the US in the 60’s and is essentially black slang but these days it seems to be used as a put down by gammons to anyone who doesn’t agree with Katie Hopkins, doesn’t think brexit is a good idea, thinks criticism of the government means you hate England and would rather live in Italy etc etc.
Can somebody also clarify what a gammon is, seriously im too old for this shite...
 
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Only had a chance to watch the first clip, but i breathed a sigh of relief. "Thank God", thought i, "i was beginning to think i was the only one who thought that"!
Thanks all, for your refreshing views!
 

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It's how Steven Crowder has made a living making videos of triggering students on different campuses. There was one great moment where a student did one on him but for the most part it's helping to portray a narrative that everyone who opposes right wing ideas is a maniac SJW.
Firstly, what student did Crowder in? I’d like to see that! I’ve only seen a few of his ‘change my mind’ segments.

Steveb Crowder is pretty funny, I occasionally watch his show. But, he’s a comedian first and foremost as opposed to a serious political commentator.

The original pushback against intersectional and postmodern politics was from socialist and Marxists. Why? Because dividing society in an infinite way drew away from the bourgeoisie oppressor narrative. Now, Marxists do piggyback these arguments.

The pushback against this ideology comes from all sides of the political aisle. From the left, you have Bret Weinstein (Sander supporter). Centre, Jonathan Haidt and Fukuyama. Then the conservatives you have: Peterson, Shapiro, Murray et al.
 

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Firstly, what student did Crowder in? I’d like to see that! I’ve only seen a few of his ‘change my mind’ segments.

Steveb Crowder is pretty funny, I occasionally watch his show. But, he’s a comedian first and foremost as opposed to a serious political commentator.

The original pushback against intersectional and postmodern politics was from socialist and Marxists. Why? Because dividing society in an infinite way drew away from the bourgeoisie oppressor narrative. Now, Marxists do piggyback these arguments.

The pushback against this ideology comes from all sides of the political aisle. From the left, you have Bret Weinstein (Sander supporter). Centre, Jonathan Haidt and Fukuyama. Then the conservatives you have: Peterson, Shapiro, Murray et al.
Sit back and enjoy.

 
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Ironic how it's straight about which side of politics is to blame
The rise of the identity politics of the left frustrates me, a lot. The main reason being is that it has caused people to push back against this and assert their whIt’s identity. The result? Gradually increasing the vote shares of Trump in the US, the Front Nationals in France and similarly ugly far-right parties across Europe (among other factors).
 

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Gammon, old meat, the elderly, as opposed to "I fancy some chicken".
 
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Can somebody also clarify what a gammon is, seriously im too old for this shite...
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Angry middle aged men that go apoplectic if you don’t want to nuke the world.

The Venn diagram of those that get really angry if politicians don’t want to nuke people and if they voted Leave may or may not be a single circle... (joke before anyone on here turns gammony)
 

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All Blair’s fault i tells ya. Force half the population to Uni when they aren’t smart enough for the sciences and you get an explosion in feminist theory and cultural appropriation degrees. Now we’ve got to pretend they’re as valid.
Where was the forcing of university?